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post Oct 1 2007, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(kayz1e @ Oct 1 2007, 09:50 PM)
purchase 1 joey ?

i thought they live in at least a pair ?

i read somewhere stating that its not advisable to have 2 males and 1 female as the males will fight for mating rights, so do u think its advisable for 2 females and a male instead ?
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They need to be in a pair for life lah but if you were to purchase adults, you won't be able to tame them at all if in a pair coz they won't trust you since got each other. Joeys, you can purchase a pair at once or single 1st.... normally I prefer to get 1 joey 1st, after 2 months then get another joey coz this would make the taming and bonding process faster and easier.

Why want males with females together? Just get either 2 males or 2 females lah..... don't make them breed coz they need lots of space and also your time. Also, it is not easy to breed as sometimes will have complications.... and if you have a male around females, the smell would be terrible since the male would musk to put his smell all over his territory....

One thing we must always keep in mind, animals are not like humans... we humans can do family planning, we got money, a roof and knowledge to have children and safe sex. Animals? No.... they breed only on instinct coz God made them have this instinct in them so that there won't be extinction in the species.... they got no family planning, they do not know family love once the babies mature into adults.... if the cage is not big enough, it can be very stressful for a colony.... so better think 1st before breed. Some of us already planning to do neutering on our male gliders so they won't simply breed with our females. Have 2 to 3 gliders in a household is enough, having more is gonna be a headache.... Some people would say can sell, get some money but then for gliders, they can live for 10 to 15 years, if sell to wrong person, very kesian also.... if good home then lucky lah but if not good home.... it would be a miserable life for the gliders.
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QUOTE(kayz1e @ Oct 1 2007, 11:32 PM)

i agree with you, i actually intend to learn more deeply about SGs, about their daily lives, since the male SG my fren is gonna give me comes with a 3ft cage, all accessories, so i guess it would be much easier for him and me, ill only have to work on the bonding part, after he's not afriad of me, ill proly get another male OR fmale..

i spend most of my off-working hours at home, so i guess spending time with it shouldnt be a problem
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Ah, good good. Research never stops. I still learn new things about SGs everytime I research about them.

Yah, bond with it first. Once you get used to it, then think of another. Well, you would have a problem at bonding an adult male with a younger male.... so you gotta double check 1st. Normally males that have been with females won't accept new males easily.... but if you do get a female, it would be wise to neuter the male so you won't have problems with extra gliders popping up and also the smell. I got an matured male.... he is stinky LOL... I will neuter him too when the time is right.
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QUOTE(jaswwp @ Oct 1 2007, 11:46 PM)
Ah I also didnt realise when you got another male, lol... how does Kiah like him? ok or not? haha
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AHhaah.... Jarrah.... can say quite some time liao, Jarrah should be 6 or 7 months now, I can't remember hahahh.... at first didn't get along.... Kiah did alot of marking, peeing and crabbing and barking at him.... then later ok. They became a cosy couple....

Now I got Kiah.... Kapi.... Jarrah hahahh.... 2 females and 1 male but will neuter Jarrah once I got cash for the surgery. I don't want any of the females to keep breeding on and on.... once is ok if it happens but never never for life.
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QUOTE(krynzpeaches @ Oct 2 2007, 09:14 AM)
Like Hun said, that would definitely be an adult and untamed.
Ofcourse they wont be loitering around, they're nocturnal, so they spend their day sleeping.

I have no restriction on people buying an adult glider, because they need a good home too... But only if you trust yourself for having a lot of patience in taming and bonding with them. And only if you are clear of the consequences you are getting yourself into.

Taming and bonding with an adult glider takes a LOT of time, a LOT of patience and persistancy. It could take months or even years to tame them.

For all I know, NOT many of our local people are willing to do that. Somehow we seem to have less patience and give up easily.
They're colony animals, they live best in pairs of any sex or groups. They thrive on companionship.

Yes, 2 males will fight over 1 female unless both the males are neutered.

2 female and 1 male will only encourage breeding (again, unless you have the male neutered) plus there are chances when 1 female has joeys in the pouch the other will attempt to steal or kill the joey. It happens even in the wild, but they can run all they can since the wild is such an open space, however, they can't if they're in a cage and most likely injury or death can happen.

Sorry Hun, I am not against people getting 2 gliders at once, infact I would now prefer it that way because I have seen that companionship is really important to them and also that taming 2 gliders takes the same effort as taming one, but with a slight one to one at a time.

Taming and bonding with 2 gliders CAN be achieved successfully and almost at the same rate of taming 1 glider with the right method wink.gif
Yes, do learn more about suggies and understanding atleast the basics before getting one.

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For me I think taming 2 wild adults at the same time would be very hard coz they would not trust easily.... seen this happen to many people... but when they bond with 1 adult first, it is easier. Of course this case would be when the person is very dedicated... but say if that person just wanna get gliders as normal pet, means always in a cage, never interact or bond much, then it is better to get a pair.

I know companionship is important, I've seen that with my gliders but as you know, many do not do it the right way.... for me, having 1 first to bond is easier than 2. This is how I feel lah coz now got experience in getting 1 glider at once and also getting 2 gliders at once.....If we get them at 1 or 2 months apart, it is alright, but if we do not get them a companion for a year or 2, that would be hard for them.
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With 2 joeys at once is not as bad as 2 adults which are untame lah..... but aiyoh, my 2 joeys very very naughty hahahah....
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QUOTE(krynzpeaches @ Oct 2 2007, 11:15 AM)
I think 2 untamed adults is way worse lah...

They will definitely need to be separated to gain their trust.

However, if you have 1 tamed adult and another untamed adult, most likely the tame one will help you teach or tame the untamed one wink.gif

Haha, sounds like a tongue twister pulak...

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Yah, the tame one would help the untame one to trust us. This is why I like suggie.... hahah... so helpful also when it comes to bonding. Now Kiah on my shoulder eating mealworms.... Kapi sleeping in pouch.

They love your pouch and tunnel lah.... their next favourite place is my coconut hanging pot, can sit there to eat mealworms.
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hh... take a pic of the tunnel ah? I'll try... they are very naughty, especially Kiah.... super super jumpy but she quiets down once on me hahahah.
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Carry puppy powder loh.... then use a wet cloth to wipe your glider, then use the powder to rub into the fur. I think is the pee smell.... coz my gliders also smell like that LOL.
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Looking for a good seller requires patience and time loh... don't rush into things and don't jump onto cheap stuff.

Anyway, I will be getting a male glider for adoption, should be around 5 months old. Would you want it? But then you have to impress me with your knowledge and also how are you gonna care for it.
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QUOTE(hackerzx @ Oct 2 2007, 09:50 PM)
my glider didnt smell..lols..wanna kiss everytime kwawaka..
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Of course lah, you punya female mah.... tongue.gif Female not much smell... the musk is not as strong as the males.

QUOTE(kayz1e @ Oct 2 2007, 09:58 PM)
think the timing would be just nice.. ill have time to bond with this male that im getting from my friend, and i can adopt another male from u, and i dont have to think about buying females XD

i think for starters, 2 males should be sufficient ?
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When are you getting from your friend? Well, the male that would be for adoption is 5 months and not tame.... willing to bond with it? I got 3 gliders so it would be hard for me to tame him for you so it is better for you to tame him yourself.... if you want the glider lah.

Your friend's male, has he ever been near a female before? If no, then your friend's male and the male I have for adoption may do well.

But then, impress me lah hahahah.... do all your research, ask questions and get everything ready, then if you seem right, I'll let you have him.

Will be getting the glider that's for adoption in 2 weeks time. So think first lah.
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Normally for a tame glider, they would eat without fear.... and they got eating time too. So if they don't wanna eat then let them be. Normally they eat at early mornings.... sometimes night. I just let my gliders eat on their own coz they eat more when eat on their own.

Anyway, went to Petaling Street yesterday, there's a whole lot of gliders.... as usual, all wild... poor things only get to eat low grade catfood and apples. That's it for them. There was 1 male.... which I saw was quite disturbing. It had a deformed nose. The nostrils were facing upwards.... it was strange...
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The ones at Petaling Street not tame and look sickly....

Anyway welcome sitisarah, read up, got loads of info.
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Good that Iggy is doing well....

Catfood, advisable never to give alot loh.... for me, I only use as a treat and the only catfood or dogfood I would use is Orijen.... Fully holistic, the catfood also not very hard so won't be painful for their teeth.... but 1 piece as treat only since the catfood is high in protein.

Alot of people think put a bowl of catfood for gliders is good but actually, it causes them to eat that only and get the wrong nutrients.... sometimes catfood can be addictive and gliders can lose interest in fruits.... so better, offer as a treat.... Never feed Friskies or Whiskas, they are the worst worst catfood in the market. The safest is Orijen, but the price for the dogfood is RM46 for 2.5kg and the catfood is RM50 for 2.5kg....... catfood got a strong smell which they do not like so the dogfood is prefered... But what are you gonna do with 2.5kg? So in the end, better not feed if you do not have a dog or cat to finish up the food.... Just stick to fruits, mealworms and a mix....
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QUOTE(peaceretro @ Oct 5 2007, 05:25 PM)
aha krynzpeaches is right thumbup.gif

but i heard there's people selling suggies

at uptown danau kota .....

behind buildings???

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Yah.... the Danau Kota uptown night bazaar got sell.... but not good condition lah.... You been there? I really don't trust petshops.... you see the 1st page of the pics of underage joeys, the 1st pic of one on a person's shoulder is MidValley's Pets Wonderland, the joey is so stressed up and they were showing off, selling for RM488 and it was seriously underage too.... pity. AD Pet shop, behind Tawakal Hospital also another inexperience petshop, sell underage joey and told people that gliders only eat grapes and catfood.

QUOTE(broken_string @ Oct 5 2007, 05:51 PM)
my joey crab less and not tat bitey liao as time goes by biggrin.gif
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Good lah. Slowly, he will become more and more sticky towards you hahahah.


QUOTE(vincent09 @ Oct 5 2007, 09:32 PM)
Oh, about the cat food, my Ah Pit eat cat food is not direct bite on it, she lick lick lick until those cat food already soft and wet then only bite. Until now she still jump out for cat food when i take it for her have a look ( cus i'm feeding my hedgehog, and try c is it she still remember what is it. )
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You can still give 1 piece of catfood as a treat lah.... but then it is better you get a holistic brand than a super premium brand to feed. I only feed Orijen dogfood to my gliders twice a week but each glider take 1 piece only.
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Hahah... Miko and Dakota so cute. Hahah... sleep in such an open position LOL.
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QUOTE(krynzpeaches @ Oct 7 2007, 12:15 AM)
Peaceretro,

Yeah, unfortunely flea market like uptown danau kota & even damansara are selling sugar glider joeys sad.gif

Sadly, they are in very poor condition as in they are sold under aged, kept in small cages and given the wrong diet. Furthermore all the advise given to potential buyers are totally crap...

I think selling pets at flea markets are just plain stupid. Those people are just selling for money and have no experience at all.

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Yeah, I'm proud of my Iggy boy! He is doing just great nod.gif I'm glad that he's safely neutered smile.gif

Wahh, Dakota sleep till like that huh sweat.gif Memang syiok habis! tongue.gif

Haha, yeah color contrast can always be seen with adult gliders and joeys.

But how come Hun can keep Kiah so clean even when she's all grown up?

I still haven't ever bathe Iggy & Luna myself, last time it was Hun jugak that did it. I guess I'd rather take them to Hun's Suggie Spa ley tongue.gif

So when is the opening Hun? biggrin.gif

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Hahaha... How keep her clean? Dunno lah, I don't bath her often... maybe coz she is a black beauty, so the chest always appear whiter?

Suggie Spa... dunno when free to do hahah... maybe end of the year like end of November like that boleh lah.

QUOTE(kayz1e @ Oct 7 2007, 09:42 PM)
i jsut got back from great eastern.. there's a SG i saw over there... it looks so stressed up... it was hiding inside the hole all the while..

when i look at it... he was shivering...

poor SG... it's all alone in that cage... i see plenty of insects around the cage, and its so smelly, i wonder when was the last time ppl actually gave him food or clean the cage..
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That's normal. Petshops never keep them properly.

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QUOTE(malboy98 @ Oct 9 2007, 12:20 AM)
Hi Everyone here,

I am new here and read alot of information here.

I seen a few pair of Joeys in JB for sale and intend to buy a pair. Need to get the answer for the following questions before buying them.

Is Sugar Glider consider an endanger spies? Do you need a permit to keep them in Malaysia?

Would appreciate if someone can give me the answer.

Thank you.
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No license needed but I wish there was coz too many people are simply keeping them without thinking of the glider's well being and also long lifespan.

gliders need constant socializing, lots of attention, special care on their diet and also a large cage. Do more research yah, coz research doesn't cost a sen, just some time.

QUOTE(krynzpeaches @ Oct 9 2007, 08:58 AM)
malboy98,

Nope, unfortunately keeping gliders here in Malaysia does not need a permit or license.

And nope, they are not endangered species.

However, the care and maintenance is very important in keeping a glider, so do be well prepared before getting them.

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Haizzz, kesian also kesian, but we can't do anything.

Just going there to watch or see them in such condition is heartbreaking especially when knowing the fact that you can't do nothing to help.

Out of pouch joeys does not have wet furs, it could be wet because of something else or the conditioned they are kept in.

Damn, if only I could burn those shop down vmad.gif (ofcourse I'll free the animals first and lock the owners inside tongue.gif)

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Added on October 9, 2007, 10:20 amA message from Iggy wink.gif

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Iggy being curious or I'd like to say, kissing the camera tongue.gif

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Finally, another Iggy's curtain adventure...

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Enjoy!

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Wet fur is caused by humidity, pee and also unclean living conditions. Poor things....

Iggy looks good lah. Means really successful neutering heheheh.

QUOTE(kayz1e @ Oct 9 2007, 10:54 AM)
nice pics you have there KP

keep them coming thumbup.gif

ps : out of curiosity, have ur joey ever bit u ? i mean till it bleed
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Joeys rarely bite till bleed unless you make them so afraid.

QUOTE(NewbieBetta @ Oct 9 2007, 04:20 PM)
can get rid anot like using whitening shampoo on them.. tongue.gif only on the belly
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Bathing glider is not advisable.... whitening shampoo is a no no too coz it contains whitening agents which could cause harm. A glider's skin and fur are much more different than a dog. So never think that using those conditioner or shampoos for dogs.

Even if you want to bath one, the best is either use baby shampoo or mild diluted puppy shampoo. There is a quick technique to use and if you do not know how to bath a glider, it can lead to death...

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You can add some water.... but pekat or thick is ok.
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Gliders really need lots of research. Petshops would say:

"Easy only lah, feed apple and catfood can aledi. Then live in hamster cage or bird cage with coconut enough wan."

No... thats not the right way. Diet, sugar gliders got special needs, a diet high in calcium and low in phosphorus, fruits should be their main diet, along with crickets and mealworms plus a supplement mix for health. Cannot just give apples only, it is too high in Vit A and Vit C but low in calcium... can get Vit A intoxication.... which is bad for health even in humans.

Rm300 is nothing, they are of course worth every penny of RM300 because you won't be able to find a pet as unique or as long live in such a small size with an active personality.

If you can take time to read through all 20 pages and do all your research by Googling or from the 1st page, then it shows that you may be a dedicated glider owner....

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You gliders so big liao.... but Fei Jai and Fei Por? Both fat fat meh? Heheheh.
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Go buy the puppy powder lah heheheheh..... only Rm19 for it.

Anyway, all my gliders now stink a little.... Firstly, I dunno what Jarrah does to his sleeping pouch, from the milk turquoise green, now it is a dirty brown green... yucks. I just washed it anyway, looks better but still got 2 large brown patches at the bottom.... his smell is still bearable lah.

Kiah and Kapi, both of them smell the same coz they have been sleeping and eating together... smells like food and a bit of pee but ok. I hate the poop smell after they ate papaya.... so stinky! But it is their favourite fruits.... they hate red dragon fruit.... but love pear, papaya, sun melon, plum, honey dew and jambu air madu. They don't like the normal jambu air, not sweet enough hahahah. I haven't tried other fruits yet, maybe next i'll give them buah delima and water chestnuts... I'm waiting for the wild rambutans trees to bear fruit so no need to buy hahahaha.

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