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Reanne
post Jan 23 2008, 07:39 AM

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QUOTE(broken_string @ Jan 23 2008, 01:47 AM)
my glider bite off the nanah skin adi and its reddish and got blood liao now  sad.gif
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Ugh, that doesn't look good. Did it look like that when you took him Dr. Yeoh? Or worse? May need an elizabethan collar to keep him from chewing on it.

QUOTE(jamien)
About chocolate bring toxic, my dad's friends owned a rabbit which was huge and cute. I was shocked to find that the couple were feeding it chocolate and ice cream. The rabbit must like it too since it eats it eagerly everytime. I think the couple must be feeding the chocolate for a certain time. Anyway, I went to their house after slightly less than 1 year, and found out that their rabbit passed away. The rabbit wasn't really old and and has the best care (1 small room all for itself, fresh vegetables, water and rabbit pellets, etc) it was healthy (external wise) so i think it's probably the chocolate and ice cream coming into effect.

So I think that owners should lay off chocolates and ice cream for your pets. they're human food meant for humans and obviously it doesn't do well for your pets (and excessive amounts of chocolate and ice cream isn't good for people either. It's considered junk food right?).

Mako, I don't think Reanne meant it as an insult... There are also mass breeders who produce good quality pets I guess and we shouldn't say ALL millers are bad. But I think the major difference of a home breeder hobbyist and a mass breeder's pet is the tameness? A mass breeder probably doesn't have that much time to bond and get all their animals accustomed well to people. I mean there are hundreds right? Taking care of them is already such a task so it is perfectly understandable. Homebreeders have the luxury of taming their pets because they have less and more time? So if tameness is considered part of "quality"... You get my drift? No offense meant at all Mako. If I offended you I apologize. ^^" It's just that I like pets who are tame and can be easily well bonded to me, besides being healthy.
Whoa, slightly less than a year? Rabbits can live 7 to 10 years, a good chance that it was the chocolate and ice cream.

Eh, no, it's not meant an insult. It's just stating facts. Yes, there may be ppl that breed in mass that may produce good quality animals, but these ppl must feel like slaves to their animals if they want to achieve such a goal as to produce good quality animals in mass production. Tameness is not the only point differenciating animals from home breeders and, since this word is preferable, mass breeders. Though home breeders may be preferable to some ppl, we never stated or recommended buying from home breeders either.

There are many ppl that buy a pair of gliders, not doing research, following the mass breeder's advise, then producing joeys of their own and selling them. No initiative to do research, following the mass breeder's advice like pet safari. Like now they are telling ppl to feed apple, dog/cat food and housing them in a glass tank furnished with Exo terra vines with a bright heat lamp. Don't know where they got that advice from though, the glass tank, heat lamp and all. With the limited ventillation, the stuffy-ness, the heat lamp may cause the joeys to overheat and possibly die. Who knows.

We only stated buying from reputable breeders. Breeders that will let you view the joey, tell you where it's from or how she/he cares for the gliders. What he/she feeds them, what you should do when you first buy, how to bond, what not to do, what not to feed, etc. This is what I learned from working at a good vet. Always tell your customer what he/she is going into, what you are going to do, what should be done, what may happen in the future, why you are telling them all this and such.

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I dont think the tweezers for facial is a good idea. Go to the pharmacy and ask for forceps. Some pharmacies should have. These have rounded tip and railing for grip. They're double the length too and stainless steel. Don't get the one that looks like a scissors.

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Thats considered forceps. Tweezers are smaller and fatter, meant to pluck eyebrows and such.
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My baked cricket business not so good as my oven is not good quality, will burn more than half. But baked crickets taste really nice! Like high quality roasted nuts or something.

There is a thread here thats on crickets, posted some stuff there to help. Can search for it.

Do you usually play with it during the day? If you do, it can change their sleep timing. Or does anything near the cage affect it during the day it keep it awake? Like noise, light etc.

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That recipe is ok except for the nanas and the honey. Honey don't put too much, heaty and can cause diarrhoea.
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QUOTE(huh? @ Jan 25 2008, 12:47 AM)
i am thinking of getting a suggie cause they fit my lifestyle..work at night (in front of pc) and sleep at the day..huhu.. but the thing is.. im allergic to mealworms.. just cant stand them..fobia to worms since i was a kid..

can i give th crickets only? what do you mean by gut loading them? cut them into half? take the juices inside right?
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Make sure get from a reputable seller, not from a mill/supplier as they usually sell too young or unhealthy.

QUOTE(zoejehuty @ Jan 25 2008, 02:33 AM)
the cricket u need to put in those case with good ventilation one, those mesh wire cage with both side and top is mesh wire, so more open air, more ventilated. those cage can get from fish shop, or u can modify yourself.
i do breed on cricket for my pets (not sg coz currently dun have), now quite good, got lots pinhead... if i not mistaken reanne also got breed on it... now do business also... haha...
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Nope, I don't breed. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Pennywise @ Jan 26 2008, 02:12 AM)
Actually, I am very envious of you sugar glider owners. I have wanted a pair of sugar gliders for almost 3 years now. About a year back, I nearly bought them from Hun but last minute pull off cause I just bought Casper, my male Westie and was going to move house then.

A year passed and then I bought Moonie, my female Westie home. Until this day, I still want to own my own pair of sugar gliders but my sister and gf is against the idea. Current house (havent moved yet) also has no place to keep such a big cage. Gf also making noise said we are to save for wedding next year but I keep spending on pets and constantly reminded me I have two dogs already.

I come here quite often, for the sake of satisfying my knowledge on these little creatures. Hope I am welcome here and some of you vet will be able to answer my questions even though I possibly will never own any.
They are nocturnal animals, so does it mean that if you bring sugar gliders out in the pouch from 8am - 6pm (working hours), they would not wake up? During these long 10 hours, they sleep all the way through?? How about doing their business in this period of time?

I also understand that we must keep them as a pair. Then, I read that some of you bring one to work today and the other to work the next day - take turns. I thought they cannot afford to live alone as they are colonial in the wild.

So Monday comes, you bring A out to work for 10 hours. You left B at home alone for that 10 hours. Tuesday comes, its B turn to go to the office with you and A is left behind. Wont this have a negative effect on them, especially when they're alone for 10 hours, they wake up just to friend their friend... gone?

Enlighten me please. Thank you.
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Welcome to the world of Sugar Gliders. You don't have to own one to love 'em, so it's no problem to have you around. smile.gif

They are nocturnal, so they sleep away most of the day but doesn't mean they can't wake up. Our glider owners here usually bring them out in their pouches all day, but we don't constantly play with them, allowing them to sleep in the pouch. Once they get used to the motion of being in the pouch while we do our daily routine, it's not easy to wake them unless you take them out. Like I can run, walk, or even jump and Billie will stay fast asleep in her pouch.

They do wake up themselves when they need to pee and/or poo, or even play. Billie is a pouch destroyer because when she wants to pee, means she wants to pee, so have to secretly take her out during class for her to pee. But sometimes she wants to play, which will result in the process of destroying the zipper because I can't leave her out too long. But usually if you do not take them out for a long period of time and they stay asleep in the pouch, the next time you do, they will usually automatically pee and/or poo right after you take them out.

That kind of routine to bond to 2 is okay for short periods of time, preferably not over a day, but once in a while let them rest, like don't bring them out for alternate days. Its recommended to have a strong bond to the first one though, then only get a second. And also, bringing both out at the same time is better than leaving one at home, unless you have no confidence when it comes to handling 2 at once. It does have a negative effect if you do it too often and separate them for too long.

QUOTE(jinhoe @ Jan 26 2008, 02:21 AM)
will changing their sleeping time to nite affect them? they are nocturnal by nature. and ya, 1 thing tat my fren ask me, how many nipple a sugie have? more than 4?
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They have an average of 4 nipples, but can only conceive 2-3 at the most. Anymore would be unnatural or unusual.

Apparently you can change their sleeping time, but it would depend on your glider and you would need to keep that routine up no matter what once it's set, or it may have a negative effect on your glider. You also must make sure your glider does sleep at night if you are determined to keep it up during the day. However, changing an animal's natural behaviour is never something you should take lightly and personally not recommended as it may be unnecessarily stressful to the glider.

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All my gliders don't crab when I try to take them out, they only crab if something suddenly pokes them or the pouch knocks on something.

I will scoop them out, then put them on the table or inside the desk for them to pee and poo. Sometimes their pee really stinks despite them being females, so I dislike them ever peeing on me.
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I don't spend much on accessories, so it's

1.The glider RM300 for one.

2.A nice spacious cage, RM200+, or the smaller, more budget friendly cage, RM100+. So the basic for glider and cage is already RM400 to 500.

3.Basic food per month RM15 to RM17, fruits around RM 5 or so every other day.

4. Crickets and mealworms, RM8 for mealies and RM4 for crickets will last awhile.

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Oh, then yea, for a single glider, about RM90+ per month for food. The rest would be a one time thing or once in a while thing, but the living cost would be that.
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It's the fruits. Unless you buy from the supermarket, then it's cheaper. I buy ready cut fruits as I want to give them variety so I can buy 3 types a day without wasting. My fridge got problem and is almost always full, can't keep so much.

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thanks KP. yes i have googled. just wanna know what malaysian suggie keepers feed.


Jambu air, guava, mango, kiwi, water crest, water melon, sun melon, honeydew, custard apple, apple, pear, persimmon, papaya, dragon fruit, ciku, blueberries, cranberries, strawberries, figs etc.

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We will be rooting for you, so don't let your mind be shrouded in doubt. He is still active and eating, that is the part that keeps us going. As long as he has enough energy to do all that, despite the wound, I'm sure he's doing his best too.
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Found this picture online. Find it really cute and a rare pose.

http://www.pbase.com/gil_hidalgo/image/51588119
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lol
That would be unique. 'Son, these gliders have been in the family for generations, now I will hand them to you to care for them according to fami.... *boy squeezes suggie* *Suggie starts to suffocate* No!!! Don't do that!'
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One day maybe we will see her name in the newspaper for articles on Sugar Gliders. biggrin.gif

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If nobody steps up at this rate, the readers may misunderstand the care and diet. sad.gif.
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If you bring your Wasabi to meet another sg for companionship, he could bond to the sg if you choose to leave them after awhile and your problem could get worse when you need to separate them.

If you think that they won't bond because you're gonna let them play together for short periods of time is also not recommended. They may end up fighting or even injuring each other because you need time to get them used to each other by the 2 cage method. Once you get them used to each other, there is a possibility of them bonding.

Let him be alone for now if you can't find a companion for him. Just make sure you spend enough time with him, and he should be fine for now. If you decide to further your studies overseas, best to get him a permanent companion.
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I think on a Saturday would be a better choice. Afternoon 3pm would be good, if we have it at 12pm later they hungry, so after lunch would be more convenient.

Also have to appoint who would be the ppl doing the arranging and managing during the event.

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We can chip in. Somewhere with a good amount of passerbys and a convenient place to get to. Bukit Jalil Park, I think got ppl that may have trouble getting there, or ppl who won't wanna go because of the location. I don't know where that is kedo... tongue.gif

Hotel may not allow, but shopping malls may. After all, they do allow animal exhibitions, why not a Suggie Education Program?

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I don't think KLCC allows animals. But maybe if we do ask them, they may, but I 'm not too sure.

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