It is really normal for them to be sleeping all day long and active at around 12 midnight, they're nocturnal creatures (how any times have I mentioned about his )

My male will sleep through almost every ordeal and will wake up only after 11 pm, but my female will wake up after 7 pm and is active and about.

No 2 suggies are alike even tho they stay together for ages...



Go back a few pages, I have placed a downloadable link to the care sheet, just click and it will download onto your desktop.

I think I've answered to this question too...

It's hard to tell how many times they poo or pee... They'll just poo and pee as many time as they feel like to.

All I can say is that it's very rare for them to do their biz in their pouch and while sleeping... But as soon as they are up, they'll start pooing and peeing...

Honestly, when you have a suggie, you'll get used to it...

When I have them with me in the office and take them out for a while, I can always tell when Iggy wants to poo His tail near his butt will raise a bit, so I'll just announce to everyone not to pick him up cuz "poop coming..."



Huhhh??

Which toe are you talking about??

Are you sure the nail fell off or izit the toe yang memang tak ada nail??

You know right that the two thumbs at the back feet does not have nails?


KP

Hmm, if it fell off, most likely it will grow back if the area is not infected with something which will prevent the nails from growing back...

But if it was deformed since you got it, chances are there'll be no nails there.


KP

So before this got nail there? I think it would grow back then...

Ermmm, whadaya mean if don't trim their nails can get infection?


KP

Oh I see...

Non trimmed nails will not cause infections, but will hurt you when they climb on you and hurt them if they do yank their feet off a cloth material...

You can start trimming their nails, I've done it with young joeys before, you just need to be extra careful and trim only a small bit of the tip

Brown spots or patches?? Err, could be dirt or pee stain...

Izit brown or yellowish patches?

Most of us refer to it as yellowish patch... Which is the pee stain or musking stain.

KP

Hmm, never seen or experience that kindda brown spots... (if it's like the one you say on the chicken like...)

On their skin izit?

That sounds weird lah...



KP

Haizzz, baca lar sikit some stuff about suggies in this forum... A lot has been discussed...

Air-cond is the least thing to worry if you bring your suggies to work... The important thing is "Are you allowed to bring it?"... "Does your boss/colleague mind if you bring it to work?"... "Do you have a proper carrier to bring it along?"...

If it's a natural dried Kurma without additional sugar, it should be fine, but dried fruits should be given sparingly and as treats only. Furthermore Kurma is very-very sweet and not to mentioned sticky.

There are many other types of fruits that you can give. Fresh fruits is the best.


KP

It is better to keep them in pairs, cuz they're very social creature and thrive on companionship just like gerbils

It is also best to keep them in same sex pair to prevent from breeding just like gerbils


KP

True enough...

But in the long run, one might not be able to spend 12+ hours anymore, how?

Or if anything happens to the owner, hospitalize or something, how?

It is best to keep atleast 2 of them

Getting one now, another one later is not a problem.


KP

Wahh, sounds like you gonna get married with all the "soon-to-be's"

Teddy Remus Lupin - A comic/book character right???

Teddy for short is nice



Ignatius Sorvo Corromandel is a book character too

Iggy for short


KP

Ahh, Harry Potter fan!

I love magics but for Harry Potter, since they have the movie, I'd go for the movie than the book

But I'm an avid fan of a book that is known to be Harry Potter's close rival!

"Septimus Heap"

Opsss, out of topic

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Anyway, I just wanna share something Reanne said in another thread.

This explains what a good breeder should/would do once they realize or recognize that the pet they are breeding has genetic/disease problems that could be pass to their young...

That is why a good breeder should be able to tell/examine every inch of the pet they are selling and know if they should or should not continue breeding it.

Although it may not be fatal, but it is for the greater good of the generation to come.

I am sharing this in reference to a glider case that I got to know of.






KP

There's a method of introducing 2 gliders, just like gerbils too, but not using a split cage lah...

Search on how to introduce 2 gliders, then you'll understand

Generally, introducing 2 gliders is slightly easier than introducing 2 gerbils

But it will still take some time lor


KP

This post has been edited by krynzpeaches: Jan 21 2008, 03:23 PM

Yes, age gap needs to be considered also...

Not too far apart.

It's okay if you wanna intro adult with adult, joey with joey... But adult with joey have to be careful...

If the adult female, joey is male or female is fine... But if the adult is male, joey is female, might get rape case or if joey is male, might be defensive lor...


KP

I'm responding to all your Q's above.

The joeys in the pix are 3 months old FROM BIRTH, NOT OOP (Out Of Pouch)

A joey is ready to be sold or separated from their parent only at 2 months (8 weeks) OOP. 3 months form birth means it's only 1 month OOP.

Believe me, I know how a 1 month OOP joey looks like and a 2 months OOP joey looks like.

You wanna see how a 2 months OOP joey look like? Feel free to come and see me!

Yes, all the diet/food listed sounds like it came from MILLER/Commercial Breeder. Their diet is not restricted to only that, itis much, much more wider!

NO, pears does not cause diarrhea. My suggies loves pears! They have never gotten any diarrhea case from it. The only thing I know is pears is more expensive than apples... Perhaps they would like to cut cost?

Who the heck came up with giving mealworms will cause blindness to gliders???

Same goes with feeding live insects will cause them to turn aggressive... Where does all this superstition come from???

Mealworms and cricket is a good source of protein.

Overall, I think the joeys are still too young. Even tho they are seen eating by themselves, that's their survival instinct to do so because they have been cut off from nursing too young...

I am not against people buying/getting a joey like that from those sellers or even pet shops because I have a heart for them and wish to see them in a better home... BUT, you must clearly understand what you are getting and must not whine or complain if there's any complication in the future except for giving the best you can to your suggie, because we have told you so...



Yes, cat food is not good for suggies because it's CATFOOD, NOT glider food!

Yes, Orijen is one of the best if you want to give cat food still to your suggies, BUT it is not given as staple food, only sparingly and as treats.

We are aware of the high protein content, and we are also aware of all the natural ingredient and not to mention wheat and gluten free content which is one of the most important factor. Because of the high protein content also that we advise it to be given sparingly and as treats only, NOT as staple.

Miller is normally used to refer for those who breeds in large amount, not to mention the care factor.

Looking at those young joeys, one can guess how they are being raised. And like I've mentioned above, I know how a 2 months OOP joey would look like and it's nothing like the pixs shown.

I've seen how a commercial glider breeder breeds and how they are kept like, so don't say I don't know.

Ofcourse it's not necessary to follow what I feed to my suggies, but it is necessary to follow the basic guidelines that every suggie owner in the world gives their suggie right? And to understand and examine what long time glider keepers around the world has experienced and such.

So far, no one, NO ONE here has ever claim to be the best breeder or for the fact, even breeds suggies... Because breeding suggies is a BIG commitment and takes a LOT of time, plus if you follow the right way to breeding suggies, follow the right timeline and all, you're not gonna make much out of selling it anyway...

Why we react this way is simply because we care.

It's up to one person to buy the joey from any source they like, be it miller or pet shop, BUT they must fully understand what they are in for, that's all.



Nope, pears don't cause diarrhea as far as I know.

Yes, gliders do have good memories if they have been associated to one certain thing long enough It will stick with them



Aiyarrr, you said you read this thread...

How come now baru say you got it wrong...

1st page already has so much info maaa...



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Adoiiiii, what a morning...


KP

spel'it,

They look very-very small dear.

I'm guessing appx. 3-4 weeks OOP...



When did you get them?

KP

I am always and constantly doing research on gliders.

Searching for infos and answers here and there.

To me I am still learning, because learning is a never ending process.

There are many-many websites with information about gliders, but if you have gone through all a million of times, you will be able to detect which ones good and which ones are not.

In the 1st page we have in fact listed some reference websites that we've referred to, however it must've slipped out of all of your mind.

The one in my siggy is good, but I don't know how many of you have actually clicked on it and complete reading it...

Another one that is good or I could say the best is of course Glider University because they really-really care about gliders and their care standard is even almost out of our reach...

They even have courses for people to enroll in!

Anyway, it is a good place to refer to... But I must warn you, it will make you feel like you're not such a good owner after all!

:: Glider University ::



KP

I see.

When was that pix taken?

Do you have any latest pix like taken today or this week?

I need to see a latest pix.

When you got them, have they opened their eyes?

KP

Try not to give them much baby food.

I'd recommend Heinz over Gerber. Do look carefully at the ingredients.

Make a mix or buy it. It's better.



Read carefully what Reanne has said PLEASE...

It makes sense and is only for the better.

And yes, as far as I can see, she has never pin point anyone as a miller, it's just a matter-of-factly saying.

If "feed ur suggies with nutritous food according to ur budget as long as the suggies r well looked after n have proper care." There are so many other nutritious foods to feed if according to your budget rather than cat food and apple lar... All you have to do is research and analyze it.

Suggies are very resilient creature and can conceal sickness very well. If you feed them wrongly or give them an improper diet, you may not see the effect externally and may not be able to tell if there is anything wrong until it is too late to do anything.

Age is important not only for suggies but for all young off springs...

One important thing that the researches has been stressing is that a joey that is not fully weaned or taken from nursing too young, will not be receiving all the necessary nutrient and antibody from their mother's milk.

They will most definitely survive, but will have less antibody against sickness in the future and is most likely to have shorter life span than the average 10 years.

The selling of under aged gliders is booming now.

I'd like to see 5 years from now if these little joeys are still breathing finely.



That's weird, none of us old timers (refering to those owning suggies more than 6 months) has ever experience diarrhea by giving the suggies pear...

Hun? Reanne? CFP? Anyone? Ada ke??

Cococrunch is a No-No as what I've told you.

Yes, you say your friend's glider is doing fine and normal now. Let me know how his suggie is doing in 5 years time okay

I indulge my suggies with mealworms! Fat Live Mealworms! More than 10-15 ekor per day! But none are aggressive what so ever pun...

I did say not everything you read from the websites are good/true, but if you have gone through millions of sites, you sure can weigh yourself what is true and what is not.

Ofcourse you should explore yourself with your glider, but would you wanna risk exploring something that is said to be harmful for them?

Hey, be my guest everyone... Go ahead... Feed your gliders what ever you want, what ever you like, heck even what ever your suggie wants!

I'd really like to hear from you/everyone that does 5 years from now!



KP

After giving reference to the Glider University site, I wanted to share this excerpt too, but unfortunately my net went down and every body started squabbling already.

Anyway, here's an excerpt from the 1st page on Basic Nutrition for gliders.



It already says "NO CATFOOD"... Ever...

Infact in our 1st page also has said NO too...

But some of us are already being flexible enough by allowing it sparingly and as treats only...

Still a lot of people choose to include it as their staple...

WHY?

KP

Ahh, my savior!

That's why lar, it baffled me when they keep saying pears can cause diarrhea... It has never happened to me or other "old timers"

Variety is the main key!

I try my best not to give the same thing everyday, they still gobble up everything

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Eppp, trying to prove myself about all this suggie stuff... I'm taking the glider course!

I think they say got cert summore!

But so much modules to read and learn from

If I pass with flying colors, it will be worth it

Hahaha

*Tua-tua masuk University lagi...*


KP

If you're squirmish to hand feed mealworms, get a tweezer.

I started with a tweezer, and now mealworms is nothing to me, infact I love watching or searching for those big squishy ones

If you want me to get it for you and post to Kerteh or Kuantan, let me know





That is just mean!!!

I can imagine the poor mommy and joeys condition...

I pray that one day the mommy glider will re-pay what that man did to her!


KP