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post Oct 25 2007, 06:14 PM

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How to choose good dogfood is by reading the ingredients.... then put yourself in this position, would you think eating a whole load of corn and artificial flavourings or chicken fat be healthy or eating real meat, meat meals and fillers like rice or potato seems better?

Poo for sure will smell.... coz it is poo. Even our own poo also smell mah hahahah..... but dogfood loaded with fillers are sometimes smellier.... high protein dogfood would make the poo look black too....
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post Oct 25 2007, 07:53 PM

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Last time people say dog's average age is 10 years only.... but dogs can live past 13 years... some can go to 20 years... why? Healthier living, healthier food.... commercial foods can give be good and bad.... good maybe coz cheap, and you see your dog fatter coz mostly fat from the filler.... but bad is because quite artificial, once Pedigree was taken off shelves coz some dogs died after eating Pedigree. Died from liver failure I think... or was it Kidney? Can't remember... but it was due to some chemical inside their food....

I would stick to human grade food coz they do monitor what goes inside, still, read the ingredients. When I go to petshops, they always ask me "what dogfood do you want? Why not try this and that?" But I will say "Let me read the ingredients first" And will read loh... if bag too heavy, I ask them to help me turn it so I can read. Yah, alot look at me in a weird way but I said I wanna know if it is good for my dogs or not.

So don't be shy, read the ingredients.... think about what goes in.
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post Oct 25 2007, 08:37 PM

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Meat meal is ok, bone meal is ok too.... but what should not be inside... there is a list but I look out for artificial coloring and flavouring, unnatural preservatives like Ethoxyquin... example of dogfood with this is ProBest.... I would choose dogfood without corn. Look out for the 1st few ingredients, never have a filler as the 1st ingredient....
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Artificial flavourings and colourings, some would mention, some would be in weird codes.... If you go Pet Shack again, ask Joan to show you ProBest dogfood, you read the ingredients then you would know heheheh.
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QUOTE(jaunty_niel @ Oct 26 2007, 08:28 AM)
hmm..
i tot most of the dog food contains preservatives.
dats y i prefer to prepare their own meal.
btw, can dogs eat potatoes?

last nite i boiled i big pot of chicken soup with meat n bones, den gave them only the soup without adding any salt or sugar. isit ok for them?
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All pet food got, but got natural preservatives and artificial.... natural is like what Looi said, Vitamin E.

Only cooked potatoes, raw is dangerous.

Unseasoned soup and no cooked bones is safe lah.

QUOTE(blessedfin @ Oct 26 2007, 10:58 AM)
i Thought every commercial dogfood has artificial flavouring and colourings??
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If you buy cheap dog food, it uses unsafe flavourings and colourings.... that can cause liver damage and cancer. When we say commercial, we mean super market or cheap brands like Pedigree, ProBest, Trusty.... all these are commercial or brands that are super cheap. Imagine, 20kg you only pay RM80... but example Orijen, 7kg is RM100.... read this thread, then you would know the difference.
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post Oct 29 2007, 12:56 AM

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You do not need to feed milk to your pup. There is no need as puppies sold are already weaned off milk and should be eating their dogfood.
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QUOTE(joanalooidog @ Oct 29 2007, 08:56 AM)
last week just bought a 1kg pack Nutriedge Lamb and Rice, then try to feed FIFI with it. She straight away wallop the whole bowl. doh.gif
Now mixing Canidae with it to encourage her eat, must finish the remaing Canidae Lamb.
Nutriedge really smells better, and the ingredients looks good too, no corn no soy. But for that price, quite alot of filler (rice).
Anyone else feeding Nutriedge to ur furkid????
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NutriEdge somehow has this smell which attracts dogs to eat. My dogs grew fatter on nutriedge.... but then yes, there is a lot of filler.... It is holistic but not one of the highest quality of holistic lah. Not a bad brand.....

QUOTE(Pennywise @ Oct 29 2007, 10:29 AM)
Yes I do... I feed Moonie Nutriedge Stage 1 and I realized that Nutriedge will have worms easily at the end of the box if kept too long. Got some white white things on the kibbles. I'm not the only who have said this, read page 2 or 3 of this topic, someone else said so too. I give her Nutriedge because it is breeder's food, transitioning to Blackwood puppy.
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The worm thing is caused by storage.... but you would see it happening to dog kibble having lots of fillers coz these worms are actually beetle larvae, they are attracted to the fillers. Since there is no artificial flavouring or preservatives, then the larvae would of course be found if the storage is wrong.... like not in air tight containers, keeping in a damp dark corner of the house, keeping near grassy areas... or this can also come from petshops if the storage is not proper, the beetle can travel from 1 bag to another. I found such things in Science Diet, Eukanuba, Royal Canin... Science Diet was on the day we open.... summore was straight from distributor.... so it means they have a storage house with beetles around.



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Natural Balance is quite good.... But it is of course more expensive. Now I got a free pack of Addiction Kangaroo and Apple.... I must say, protein % is just nice.... poo not much smell, actually, similar results with Orijen. Well, I got the free Addiction coz I loaned some pets to my friend hehehehe.... the best part, doesn't smell like dogfood also... smells like apples.

I tried Natural Balance before, got the sample. Is ok, no diarrhea for my Chelsea. I mixed with her Orijen so she won't get any tummy indigestion.

Rashes, could mean your Siu Wan allergic to the protein.... how about Acana duck and potatoes? Or another good one is California Natural Herring and potatoes.... but got fishy smell coz herring, Chelsea don't like hahahah.
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QUOTE(iluv2zzz @ Dec 2 2007, 09:24 PM)
I got mix the natural balance with previous food de... but she still can't take it tongue.gif
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Wah.... then really not right for her loh. Sensitive stomach heheheh.
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QUOTE(Pennywise @ Dec 7 2007, 08:12 AM)
Hihi, I tried this before. Bought it the first day stock arrived at Seapark. I think it's OK but expensive. After Casper finish the pack, I went ahead with a 7kg Evanger for both Casper and MOonie. Now, I'm like everyone else, looking for container to store the dog kibbles. Cant seem to find any.
Wow, first time I see people promote NutriEdge. On the other hand, my dogs cant seem to get themselves settled with Nutriedge lor. Watery poo, dont want eat, etc.
Acana is low profile of Orijen also Mikey cannot take? I think the protein content should be around the same with Blackwood?
Tupperware brand so expensiveeeee... I am also looking for a container to store 7 - 10kg of dog kibbles. Can advise me where to look for it? Toyogo brand I heard before but dunno where to find.
RM6x!?!  cry.gif  cry.gif so expensive!! Cannot la, spending near RM50 for a container, for me tak jadi. Where can I find Toyogo?
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Sometimes some dogs cannot tolerate an ingredient, if Acana also causes some reaction,... then it could be another ingredient that is similar to Orijen that is causing the problem, not the protein percentage.

Actually, nutriEdge is good wan. I also gave some good feed back mah hahaahah.... but then it will only be good for some dogs and not good for some.

Watery poo, if a few days is ok. When Chelsea started Orijen, she had watery poo for 2 days, then only turn solid and now ok.

Hahaha... my dad stores his 15kg kibbles in those big black tong sampah bins..... so far no problem. No worms... no mold, no insects.

QUOTE(won @ Dec 7 2007, 09:28 AM)
I haven't try Natural Balance before, but when i gave some solid gold kibbles from a sample pack to my GR and ckcs, both also poo watery poo.  rclxub.gif Now, don't really dare to simply try dog food already.
I just bought the CN herring and potatoes for shushu  - whew, smell so fishy!  doh.gif
Initially shushu don't want to eat but after i mix other kibbles inside he finished them. Now, he can eat the CN herring without other kibbles.  thumbup.gif Kero is direct opposite of Chelsea. I am giving him innova evo but he keep stealing shushu's CN herring.......dry.gif. I think he likes the fishy smell.
Hmmm, shushu was feed with Nutriedge during his puppy days - I admit the fur was good and he likes it a lot. However, the kibbles really grows worm before we manage to finish (for 15kg ones). I keep buying 3kgs pack almost weekly just to keep the kibbles fresh - quite a hassle. I think the poo stinks more too.  tongue.gif

Hmmm, on container - another suggestion is you can buy those biscuit in the tin and use the tin to store kibbles after the biscuit finished. It is really airtight and keeps the kibbles fresh.  smile.gif  No need to spend extra money on the plastic container too - just buy the biscuit  brows.gif
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Wahh..... I want my Chelsea to be like Kero..... LOL.... but Chelsea got super expensive taste.... now she likes the Addiction's Kangaroo and Apples..... so expensive, 1.4kg is Rm39! Pengsan loh....... Chelsea Chelsea..... must get tongue transplant lah, get a tongue that likes cheaper brands LOL.... kidding hahahaha....

I did experience those worms in the dogfood.... particularly with dogfoods like Science Diet, Eukanuba....

QUOTE(joanalooidog @ Dec 7 2007, 09:43 AM)
to bbqueeniez,

got reviews for nutriedge wor. Mind to tell wat breed is your dog? long hair? short hair? big breed or small breed?
And which nutriedge u r feeding? chicken or lamb?
Wait till my FIFI finish the canidae, and all the innova and california natural sample, will go back to nutriedge again.
btw, nutriedge got fish or not gah??
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Fish? No fish... either chicken or lamb flavour....
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QUOTE(joanalooidog @ Dec 7 2007, 10:33 AM)
yeah, nutriedge is good for me also, coz my dog eats it, haha..........just that for that price, v can get a better quality kibbles base on the ingredients. Mayb nutriedge is still new, so need time to build up its reputation gua.

But storing the kibbles in the "tong sampah" is  sweat.gif
Imagine, everyday u take out the food from the "tong sampah" and feed it to our dogs.  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  rclxub.gif  haha..............
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Yah, certain dogs would have good fur and health from NutriEdge, some won't gain effect.... coz no 1 dogfood is perfect for every dog heheheh....

Hahaha... 15kg mah, alot loh. Use those black tong sampah, really fill 15kg nicely. Summore is cheaper than the Toyogo round bins....
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QUOTE(BigBen @ Dec 7 2007, 12:51 PM)
my dog first take Nutriegde is very good lately kibble change size and heard that is local manufacture but smell very salty then my dog got problem skin the whole body got lump like pimple then stop now on Natural Balance with 4 meal type (chicken, lamp, fish and duck) but he don't like it , first few day poo watery later very hard. i have to mix with eukanuba can food meat he only eat half only. after 1 month try back nurtiedge same thing happen to the skin  doh.gif  never try again.
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Long time I didn't buy Nutriedge already but I also did heard that their recipe changed a bit. So that could be the problem. Every dog tolerates different dog food differently, so all you can do is try till you come across a good brand that gives you good results. For me, Nutriedge did give good results 2 years ago.... and that was when I fed Eukanuba, EaglePack, Nutro and Innova Evo.... the only brands that gave good results to my dogs were California Natural, Orijen, Addiction and Back To Basics..... so go on trying till you find one that is suitable and stick with it.

QUOTE(madmoz @ Dec 7 2007, 12:54 PM)
One of my furkids won a bag of nutri edge before. Fed it as a snack, nothing to report sweat.gif
But I find nutri edge's redemption campaign distasteful and unethical (or at the very least irresponsible) - the top tier redemption is a puppy from selected breeds doh.gif
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Yah, I didn't like that part.... get a shih tzu or MS or JRT or something else..... that was very irresponsible.

QUOTE(surfsmurf @ Dec 7 2007, 01:58 PM)
after going thru this thread, more headache wat brand of kibbles to buy for my year ole beagle. he's currently on pedigree coz his previous owner fed him tat. plan to change coz tat brand not recommended.

any recommendation for something value for money and where to get good prices ? i'm in PJ. budget should be less than rm100 per month on dog food.
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Well, I suggest you look get sample packs or buy trial packs first. Do not straight away buy 7kg or 15kg... go to a petshop, ask for samples. Normally dogfood like Eaglepack, California Natural, Canidae, Royal Canin got samples.... Nutri Source, Proformance.... sample packs..... but food like NutriEdge, ANF... erm... gosh, Blackwood and others they have trial packs of 1kg..... go and try 1 box out. If you see your dog have good firm stool, no vomiting, no shedding and he eats like crazy, then buy that brand.

You judge the dogfood yourself. Look at the ingredients. Make sure no corn or wheat, no by-products and no artificial flavouring or colouring.... We can only give you a rough guide on the brands that we like.... but like most of us said before, each dog would react differently to any brand....

QUOTE(cncgirl80 @ Dec 8 2007, 12:29 AM)
Nutriedge got omega oil which is derived from fish. I have used Nutridege for almost a year and the result is really good. My dogs never had coat so thick before. No more digestive problems. Best of all you need to feed only 75% of normal ratio from other brands. In the long run, cost efffective too. I alternate my dogs on Nutiredge chicken or lamb.
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Some dogs would do very well with certain brands, some would not. For me, my big dogs do well with Back To Basics.... another with Orijen, but if I were to switch their brands, can see their fur would not be as nice as before. Some dogs would have great skin and fur, some would break out in pimples.....

QUOTE(junnie87 @ Dec 8 2007, 12:45 AM)
it's no point to listen to who to say which dog food is good cause not all dog food is suitable for all dogs.. some dogs have sensitive stomach, some allergic on certain food, so there is no point to ask around..

the best thing is you tried on certain brand and if your dog is ok and enjoy eating the brand, then stick with it..

changing the dog food all the time is actually not good for the dog.

just remember that if the dog food cause improvement on the dog's health, then it's the best dog food FOR YOUR FURKIDS but doesnt mean that other furkids will get the same results.
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QUOTE(Pennywise @ Dec 8 2007, 08:58 PM)
So many NutriEdge supporter. On the contrary, I dont really like NutriEdge. It was the brand that the breeder fed Moonie, my second Westie.

When I first got her, she was a bit sickly, so I bought the NutriEdge just to ensure that she dont have to change her food and give her diarrhea. I only fed her about 2 weeks, then I throw away the rest for the crows to eat when white fungus / worms start appearing at the bottom of the tong.
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The white fungus would appear on dogfoods that have too much moisture in their product.
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QUOTE(joanalooidog @ Dec 18 2007, 02:09 PM)
so far those who feed higher protein kibbles (innova evo, orijen, acana....) got experience loose stools or not??
I heard that especially evo, very easy got loose stools one wor.
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For the 1st few days, yet. It happens..... but after their stomach and digestion gets used to it, the stool will harden.

Some dogs won't experience loose stools at all while some will in the first few days. My Chelsea had loose stools for the first 2 days, then later the stool become firmer and firmer and now is hard and easy to pick. If she poo on carpet, you won't see any stools stuck to the carpet.
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QUOTE(babymiki @ Dec 19 2007, 12:20 PM)
i've heard that after meals, dun let ur dogs consume big amt of water. not sure what's the cause tho.

zeist, tried euka, blackwood, eaglepack hollistic before..but my silky not ngam eaglepack, she shed soooooooo much  sweat.gif
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Yups. That's true. It is also better to have the water at shoulder level.... reason is gulping in air..... it causes bloat, which is a painful disorder of the stomach....

Every dog tolerates each brand of dogfood differently.... so eaglepack can be good for 1 pup but bad for another.

Dogs can vomit from eating too fast, wolfing down their food in a few minutes.... sometimes barking after food can cause vomiting, same with minor jumping and running or playing. So best is to let your dog relax for about 30 minutes after a meal before letting it play or run around.
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QUOTE(Pennywise @ Dec 20 2007, 02:50 AM)
Hi Hun,
Do you mean placing the water bowl at their shoulder level?
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Yups, water bowl. As you put the water bowl at shoulder level, your dog doesn't need to bend down. It lessens the gulping so less air goes into their tummies. My boxer and lab both eat on stands, their bowls are on stands that are at their shoulder level and their water bowl is on a step, so it is raised up. Normally bloat is quite common in big dogs.... but for your dogs, you could try this and see if the vomiting stops or continue....

A water bottle controls such over drinking of water.... but not every dog likes a bottle hahahah....
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QUOTE(Pennywise @ Dec 20 2007, 03:15 AM)
The amount of water from a water bottle is too little. Every time their tongue strokes the cap, it drips a few drops. It needs too much work and Casper hardly ever touches his water, so I give him a bowl instead in order for him to drink when he feels like it. On the other hand, water is probably the best food for Moonie, she ALWAYS finishes her water bowl VERY quickly no matter how much we give her, so now, we only fill his water bowl ~2 - 3 hours for about ~125ml (soft drink can capacity), and she pees a lot. Is it healthy for dogs or will water wash away their nutritients?

Now, I need to look for a step up for my doggies to drink their water from. Thanks for the idea!
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Yah, Chelsea gets very frustrated with the bottle.... so she takes from a bowl too but she doesn't drink too much.

Hmmm... somehow, Moonie drinks ALOT! Wow.... Hmmm... I would be concerned a bit. Do read this:

http://www.todaysthv.com/life/pets/AskDrBo...x?storyid=14134

Maybe get a urine test for Moonie to check.

Anyway, you can give a bit of Gatorade mixed with normal water for Moonie to drink so her body doesn't run out of minerals.... 1:1 of Gatorate to Water.
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QUOTE(Pennywise @ Dec 20 2007, 03:44 AM)
Yes she drinks aplenty while Casper drinks little. Now that's worrisome. I will speak to the vet when I bring her there for her last vaccination this Saturday.

Why recommend me mix Gatorade? Can I find that in 7-Eleven?
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Gatorade is an isotonic drink with no CO2... so not gassy and safe for dogs. Since she drinks so much water and if you worry she doesn't get enough minerals, you can always give diluted gatorade as a treat.... LOL.... is not everyday, maybe like a once a week drink. It can be just a few spoons of the drink. Yes, you can find at 7-11.

Yah, talk to your vet about her drinking habit, if the vet thinks she should do a urine and blood test, then do it.
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QUOTE(babymiki @ Dec 20 2007, 08:10 AM)
blink.gif water bowl at shoulder level? it wont wet the beard or something? my schnauzer likes to drink frm bowl while silky likes it from bottle  rclxub.gif
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Hahaha.... MS sure wet.... but normally people with big dogs like Afgan hounds, st bernards, boxers, mastiff... dogs that are large wound need elevated bowls to keep the air from being gulped in that may cause bloat. You use bottle lah heheheh....

QUOTE(pitinn @ Dec 22 2007, 01:00 PM)
erm....Coz she says that is Breeder Pack....Outside din sell de....Sorry.....It is for LARGE BREED PUPPY food.....My WEE WEE she dun finish at 1time(i edi give very very little).....And eat it very slow.....Outside 15kg RM190+++.....She sell me RM160=20KG.....I think can eat 1 and a half year.....She say is cheaper........So she recomended me to buy 20KG......
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That breeder is.... sigh.... I dunno what to say. Firstly, yours is a poodle, it should not be eating LARGE breed dogfood.... 2ndly, the part where she says about worms.... that is so so soooooo WRONG..... she is just brain washing you to buy. Coz I think she gets cheaper, maybe RM140 but sell you RM160.... you buy from her, she gain sales mah. And 20kg! Is crazy.... your dog would never be able to finish.... also, it will become stale with age, worms WILL grow in as well as fungus if kept for more than 6 months. That is why dogfood comes in a few package sizes..... you got the 1kg trial packs, the 3kg bags, then the 7kg and 15 kg. 20kg only breeders can get. You know why? Coz breeders have MORE dogs than you. For your situation, you should only be using a 3kg or 7kg pack....

If a breeder recommends large breed dogfood and 20kg summore.... then it is a very disturbing thing.... I won't even buy from that breeder...

You don't need to feed milk.... just get hold of dog food that is suitable for your pup. Puppy and small bites dogfood. There are many brands...... there are brands for all life stages, brands with different life stages, holistic, super premium..... not all brands are suitable for every dog, you gotta do some research on which brand to use.

Most of us here use BlackWood, Orijen, some use Acana, California Natural, Canidae, EaglePack, Natural Balance, NutriEdge.....
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QUOTE(ladiesfashion @ Dec 25 2007, 02:21 AM)
Guys, how about Eukanuba? Any of your pets get allergic? Or anyone encounters negative side after your pet consumed?
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It really depends.... for my boxer, he got sensitive skin so he would develop rashes and itch after taking Eukanuba... for my Cavalier, she had constipation where whenever she poo, she would cry.....

Large dogs do well on Eukanuba, I think my Lab did well on it but I would rather stick to holistic tongue.gif Now my large dogs taking Back To Basics.
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Yah... my dogs love the pork flavour..... I like that B2B also gives samples first for you to try out. So far ok lah for my dogs.... I find it strange that it says it is a holistic dogfood but contains corn.... so far I see no bad things happening to my dogs on that diet.... coz my boxer is quite sensitive....

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