anyone tried Linked ?

I notice jobstreet pretty bad, not much new jobs.

Depends on which industry you're in I guess. For me in credit/risk management is still OK. Several HH and recruiters reached out to me via LinkedIn and asked if I'm planning to make a move. Even got a few interviews lined up in the coming week.

Disagree. LinkedIn have too many inactive job and mostly you are wasting time applying to a job which recruiter won't response to you, while jobstreet posted job are likely to land a response from recruiter. For LinkedIn, I would suggest you to response to recruiter invitation rather than applying on their posted job.

may take forever to wait for a recruiter

well it's not all bad, if u look deeper...

there's opportunity even in pandemic time

Jobstreet or LinkedIn whatever platforms...

there are, just that all the jobs advertised, are too low the expected salary.

whereas Linked, does not even have an expected salary, I may be applying to job that is too low salary even with the position.

try out any platform if u want to get more opportunity...never try never know

depends on what job and what industry

Junior or senior position? Many years back for junior position got offer lowball salary 2k expect work 14 hours 6 day week I say fark off.

A fair bit of my friends been headhunted by Linkedin, i notice those who get hired from linkedin is mostly headhunted and highly qualified.

One of my friend just change job, then another big bank called him though he decline initially cz he just masuk new job they still persuaded him to consider in the end he agreed to go for their interviews and the offer him .

If your reputation is good linkedin can be your friend. Jobstreet a lot of good potential freshie dun get a chance cz the HR may have their bias so thats the issue.

i notice.. if you want high paying job.. LinkedIn / Jobstreet it's really not the place. It's really through personaly connection. Adakah anda agree? I'm talking about /k 20k standard.

thats why I mention this "LinkedIn, I would suggest you to response to recruiter invitation rather than applying on their posted job.". Apply to Linkedin "job posting" its waste of time as this platform usually have better response for headhunters.

Recruiters and HR are human too, if part of their job is done for them then it makes their life easier and your chances of getting the job better.

How do you make their lives easier?
1. get referred by someone the recruiters already know and trust. Easier said than done of course but this basically means your referrer is doing the first round filtering for the recruiter.

2. build a good brand. LinkedIn is probably one of the better options out there, build a good profile, write posts, comment intelligently. When the recruiter does a search on your profile they can see what you've done in addition to your profile/CV so they don't have to do more work.

3. customize your CV to the job descriptions. Instead of letting the recruiter do the work to link what you did to the job requirements themselves, do that work for them in your customized CV and/or cover letter.

I've done all of the above and in reality looking for a job itself can be a full time job. Even if you're happy in your job you shouldn't stop networking (to enhance #1) and contributing on LinkedIn.

All the best.

Problem is some HR go along the racial lines and favoritism this is where ive seen HR push candidates who are ok on paper but concurrently reject some people who have potential as they are not of the preferred ethnicity, no specific ethnic group to blame as this trend is observed at some MnC or financial institutions as well. I had a friend who was a recruiter and told a certain Singaporean bank only wanted a specific ethnic group to be considered for the role which doesnt require any other language besides English and Bahasa so these cases I understand it isnt HR fault but the problem is when HR themselves have this bias the company loses a candidate who can contribute accordingly and the job seeker loses the opportunity to secure employment on their merit as this would give them a platform to develop. As much as US has a lot of flaws when it comes to employment i believe the west allows more diversity and appreciates talent more then Asian countries.

Well its all depending on job & industries....

The smartest play I've seen is remote working from us, earn usd spend in myr

I agree to an extent. LinkedIn MY seems to be very quiet when it comes to self-submit job applications. You submit a job application on LinkedIn Malaysia you get 0 replies and views.
Whereas when I was abroad in England, recruiters are more active and responsive. They willget you for an interview, put on KIV, or tell you no outright. Sometimes they may even call me up and give constructive criticisms on what to do on my application. I don't any of these on Malaysia LinkedIn.

Malaysia's recruiter or Hiring manager also famous of ghosting their interviewee. Therefore, never take Malaysia recruiter or hiring manager seriously and move on from time to time, lowering our expectation and it would be helpful to us too.

This post has been edited by soules83: Jul 22 2021, 09:35 PM

1) itself would be hard, its like knowing the hiring manager personally

Linkedin is not bad for normal, you can get the ping from headhunter for the job opening

Our Msia HR really hopeless.

The only ppl only bothered about ur linked are from recruiters.

Don't giveup...just keep applying, you will get it one day. I being ghosted for many times(which included one which ghosted without offer letter after getting positive feedback from final interview) but I still keep applying.

This post has been edited by soules83: Jul 22 2021, 10:03 PM

Job plenty or rather there. Just that employer's market since they know many are looking or effected. They become picky and will be a challenge to command old salary package if you are more on senior roles.

Keep the faith, you are not alone.

Yes that's why I said it's easier said than done, but not impossible. In the last 9 years, I've had maybe 30 referrals, of which 10 got me interviews and 5 got me job offers although I turned down 2 of them.

So statistically about 30-35% success rate in getting interviews from referrals. Also the referrals are seldom direct referrals, it's frequently a friend of a friend who heard that this company is looking for so and so.

However if I compare to applying blindly to LinkedIn or Jobstreet or any of the other job boards? I'm getting interviews less than 1% of the time from blind job applications and 0 job offers.

Put the effort in networking. What I learned is to make a list of 100 people, whatsapp 2 people per week. Just say hi, keeping in touch. At least when you're starting to look for a job you won't be contacting people out of the blue that you've never contacted in many years. My latest job offer came through a referral from a guy I used to work with in 2015, we whatsapp 1-2 times in 2019, maybe once in 2020, and I got a job in 2021 through him.

Just sharing the things that worked for me over the years.

strange, I have not gotten referrals for a long time.

maybe when i was a junior but these days, I ask around, friends will tell me your expected salary is too high..

maybe it is the nature of working in accountancy.

i recall my dad, who is an engineer, gets referrals in all his jobs, the bosses that he used to work with, when they move to another co, pinch him over to the co with higher pay.

but that's not the case with me. Perhaps because they can get many replacements outside...my ex bosses, usually don't pinch me to their new co.

yeah but my level, I am looking at one job per 2-3 weeks to apply.

So darn few.

I gotta be picky too, I want to avoid those industries ravaged by MCO.

also the distance, some jobs are out of Klang valley.

Agreed.

And I must say “Look at them STARS!!!”

3-4 years of experience..dunno consider junior or senior. But what you said is true. The most insulting offer I got from a headhunter was a 5% increment from my current remuneration…

not a freshgrad here. IMO linkedin and jobstreet's self submit job application is pretty shitty. But I'll have to say Linkedin did help me get a job through a job posting someone made via a normal post. And the most callback and IVs Ive gotten during this pandemic are from the companies direct website application.

direct website application very troublesome and hassle.

for eg for BP or HP website, everytime apply to new co have to rebuild database from scratch.

whereas in jobstreet, you already have your CV inside, just click and send

I hate these stupid IBM, BP, HP big co website, whereby you have to fill up one by one from your personal particulars, to your CV job experience, Academic.
SOme more some of them are via jobstreet.
why these stupiak big corp cannot take from jobstreet ?
its the same thing !!!!!

This!

This is so true...discrimination is embedded in the private sector. I’ve worked in the US before and you’re right that they appreciate talent and diversity far more than Asian countries, particularly Malaysia. I’ve even been rejected because of my ethnicity and not of my capabilities...how did I know this? An acquaintance of mine reached out to the HR rep and was told that the line manager prefers working with a particular ethnicity.

It’s mind boggling that people just seem to accept this...worse is when some people say it’s okay because the civil service discriminates as well. With this type of thinking, no wonder Malaysia is going down the drain.

Exactly the in civil service its very obvious in terms of the selection criteria and who are the minorities , likewise in the private sector mandarin speaking is codeword for their preference towards a certain race group. The problem here is instead of evaluating ones character , values and capability which is why the intelligent Malaysians regardless race prefer going to white man country as there is more merit based opportunities then Malaysia. In Malaysia unless you are one of the 2 majority races if you from the minority chances of you landing a good employment is very tough without good networking skills.

use LINKEDIN.
polish ur profile

the HR + HHs are much more active in LinkedIn nowadays

Thats the thing le some of the F.I''s offer shyte salary unreasonable working hours and as there a lot of aspiring employees, not everyone will get be promoted or recognized. On top of the crazy work hours you also need to play along your bosses tune etc. With that kind of basic and working hours is borderline slavery la. I think burger Ramli seller can make 3k-5k a month despite committing lesser hours and live a better quality life and less stress then these fresh grads.

A freshie to put through an with that kind of working hours and 2k salary is nothing short of exploitation. If say they are an average employee at best after 10 year experience they maybe earn 4k which is absolutely shyte salary.

This is the thing with Malaysia job market. RM2000+ for fresh grad salary is not viable anymore as we are not stuck in the 90s, 2000s. Most companies don't even want to give rm2500... But then someone has mentioned about supply and demand before. If you're field is oversaturated your salary will be lower. At one point I was paid less than rm2000 after having 3-4yrs combined experience in the industry.

If you protest, you kena fired lah. Would you rather have a job that pays low or have no job and be paid nothing at all?

Honestly i rather im not in that position to decide but one path can consider is to work at Family Mart for 1.5k with much less stress while pursuing or strategizing other ways to make money. I was earning 2k as fresh grad but back then i didnt care as i genuinely wanted career progress. Thinking back i might have done things slightly differently then i guess.

Same lol.. If you are seeking career progress, then Malaysia is less likely to offer you that as the pathways here are pretty limited. BUT it's a good stepping stone and base to grow the basics.

Yeah i think Malaysia good employers and job opportunities are not as abundant, i feel gov should promote more entrepreneurship in different industries to boost our income levels .

Wtf. Is he serious? or he trying to make a joke?

Jobs in Malaysia was scarce when I graduated in 2015 and I can feel it back then. Now it's even worst and boleh rasa. Even if I got offered a job, the salary also low... Since I am based in Sarawak a lot of companies offered rm2000 at the most. I once asked for rm2300 and I got told "that's a very expensive salary.. sorry we can only offer 2k, take it or leave it".

That's the reality of Malaysian job market now. You want a job that pays you low salary? Or would you rather not have money at all? Covid really screwed up Malaysia lol.

Did you try Sarawak Information Systems? How much they offer now?

I found this platform https://my.hiredly.com/ formerly known as WOBB

Applied 2 positions, got shortlisted for 1.

Truth is spoken here, take note guys.
Also: LinkedIn is slowly turning into a sh*thole... if not already. Take it with a pinch of salt.

LinkedIn how shithole ?

Sarawak Information Systems bukan ICT/IT solutions company kan? I don't do ICT/IT, not my background tho.

work in office policy for new joiner in KL office during this pandemic.

take it or leave it ?

comment guys...

Yes even my company new joiner have to report to work.

Reason...hr will assess tardiness before confirmation via breaks, tardiness etc

as long as office provide safe social distancing.

meaning you don't sit next to someone.

and avoid group meetings face to face.

shld use zoom.

depends on field of works

tech field (non onsite type) then WFH is feasible 95% of all time

accounting, legal, finance, tax all depends, but some of my friends working in these fields are WFH now

banking line, 90% wfh except those in branch

my role no need face customer which made me the feel unfair

This post has been edited by moomoosky: Jul 24 2021, 10:32 PM

just reason with HR lo

make the decision after weighing on various factors

- have u received 2 doses
- do you stay with high risk group
- how deep is your pocket

I wish I was joking, but no. He was dead serious. He said times are tough hence the new company unable to offer more. I rejected offer.

Lot of low quality recruiters, most are from no-name Indian staffing companies and agencies.

And just generally it is becoming Facebook 2.0, look at the quality of the content. Most people just jerk and brag around. Yesterday when i opened the app, i saw a post of a girl cooking at home and bragging about her food how she could use the lessons she learnt at her workplace and implement it in her every day life, tagging her boss how grateful she is for working for the company.

This post has been edited by TomYummy: Jul 25 2021, 04:40 PM

i thought they are corporations that advertise, but when i apply no reaction one

Of coz. Nobody with sane mind will accept it.

You wanna know something rather odd? There's also a hiring crunch too in Sarawak, at least for IT.

Back in 2018, we had a visit from ppl from SESCO, where we gave them a tour of how we're digitalising the energy sector over here. And according to them, the biggest hurdle that they have when it comes to having in house software engineers is that they simply cannot find ppl to hire at all.

Then why were they not try to increase the salary range?

It is a basic supply vs demand case.

This post has been edited by viole: Jul 25 2021, 11:29 PM

this unfortunately is a question that I'm not able to answer. I also didn't get a chance to ask either as I only spent a short amount of time with them as I was busy with other stuff

but apart from the salary related stuff, I won't be surprised if potential candidates from the west will demand a pay premium too, similar to almost expat level pay for them to relocate to Sarawak. I know I would too, despite my home town being in Kuching originally.

as for local grads, the majority are looking to move out of Sarawak anyways, due to the limited opportunities for IT.

Depending what feel la brother, my friend got to job offer more then 15k monthly in 2 months from linkedin but yes slowly got idiots making linked in look like another FB.

Indian staffing from Malaysia or India? I think Malaysian Indian recruiters are ok and try to help you as much as possible. If Indian from mainland then sorry le, my ex was offered a job in an semiconductor MNC in Penang, with really shit salary. She politely declined and the farker told he will black list her. I fark him upside down in and out until the Malaysian office for this recruitment company called me to apologize and pushed him to send an apology to my ex.

Yes, many low ballers out there.
Some even trying to offer lower salary / position to replace their higher salaried stuff.
After they take in, they will sack/find trouble with their existing staff

That's why the quality of work keeps dropping. I'm not saying we shouldn't hire fresh grads and train them but sometimes someone needs to gatekeep the quality of works.

Really? My LinkedIn is still suggesting quality work from MNCs. However, everytime I apply in, I get ghosted. No replies at all. I will be lucky if they got back to me and said I wasn't shortlisted.
I agree with the Facebook part though. In the last 2 years I've looked into jobs posted on Facebook jobs, a lot are low quality jobs like labourer and lorry drivers that pay RM1200 no OT and benefits.
I applied into 1 company in Sarawak. Got the job and everything but it collapsed and went bankrupt due to financing problems. Unfortunate tbh and this role I had for less than 1 year.

Sarawak companies don't really hire that well tbh. I've been back with my family here in EM/Bru since 2018 and tbh the jobs that are hiring are low quality jobs. You can see admin jobs advertising for as low as RM900 back then and that was before the minimum wage was rm1200.

But you are right about the hiring hurdle tbh. In my last company my ex boss hired 1 IT exec where the salary was rm1800. My ex boss was a bit of a psycho so he treated this IT exec like shit, asking him to do so much work but pay only rm1800. The IT guy got really pissed so he left after 4mths...last I heard he's went to Kuching and he's getting paid rm2500.

I think most companies in EM are generally not very well off. If you can get rm2000 gaji considered not bad already.

No budget or limited budget. That's why can't pay better. Most IT ppl I know went to KL/WM to find job since the pay band is higher.

Am planning to move back to KL/WM when permissible tbh. The job market here is too sluggish. Am in the media background btw used to work in an int'l MNC. Had to quit and come back to EM to help my family for a bit. Now it seems like it has stabilised by some I plan on going back... But the travel restrictions though. Still haven't had a clear cut understanding of travelling interstate if it weren't for work.

Agreed, market is in downturn right now, some companies will not able to offer a good salary in this moment.

You'd be lucky if you get hired. Am only saying this because Im currently based in Sarawak. Apply in to jobs in Swk, 99.9% ghosted. remaining 0.1% will tell you "application KIV/not looking to hire".

WM is a bit more "complicated"-ish. Applied in to a number of it for a position, I did get interviews from 80% of the application. BUT only catch: I had to be I WM, as they "cannot accept remote working" ironically.

work in office policy for new joiner in KL office during this pandemic.

take it or leave it ?

comment guys...

hahaha I feel you about the hassle of filling up those forms manually.
But another view is that because its such a hassle to apply, less people will be applying for the role hence higher chances of getting shortlisted.
Companies (i.e epf, bank negara) that use jobstreet and linkedin exclusively get over 1k applicants per role, so goodluck getting noticed.......

I applied to British Petroleum before.

No response after that.

After all that bugger effort to fill up.

Waste of my effort.

Even for future jobs, i lazy to update.

profession?

Accoutancy

easily can start your own business.

no point work under other ppl.

start a small accountant firm for me, is really easy.
compare most other business.

low cost, but provided you have the skill.

try aim new type of customer

young online seller.

Did BP invited you for interview?

What is your other option?

Difficult lah

last time i work in small acc firm, my boss have to cow down to his clients, they all want him to report lower profit..he was under a lot of pressure to win projects. whether he did or not...haha I will not disclose

Also you need to keep your acctg knowledge updated. Been years since I was in audit, I lost track of accounting standards.

Cash collection is also an issue for acc firm, as some clients purposely delay payment until next year audit.

never

but i had interview with shell before

I think many essential industries are hiring, particularly semiconductor and electronics like those in bayan lepas. I recommended to one k surfer here not long ago.

Not sure how other industries are doing.

I got headhunted mostly through Linkedin..especially after you change your status to "Open To Work". So yes, no harm trying out Linkedin i guess.

This pandemic though has affected alot of people's jobs including mine.. i.e. salary cut etc. So sometimes its not he platform. Hence, i went into a part-time business (no need capital) as 2nd source income. Can potentially earn you Rm10k after 1 year hard work. Why not try. Pm me if interested

Open to Work

hmm ok let me find out

I hope I don't have to come to part time job.

Now OnG is not looking good, Petronas, Shell, Exxon all hiring freeze.
Petronas no increment this.
But either there are still jobs. No harm trying them out.
On LinkedIn, it's more successful if you find the job post and add the hiring recruiter and send a message saying why you will be a good fit and bla bla bla.
The ones with easy apply, will never get back to you.

That was 10.yrs back lah

What is 10 years back?

Any FnF work at Sains? How is it there?

FnF? Is that freelance meaning?
I've applied into SAINS before 2mths back. No response lol.

I applied to Shell 10 years back.

that time market was good.

Now the lull in market, I no idea.

I have not applied to oil and gas since, because I lazy to fill up my CV in their job sites.

Friends and Family.
Oh I see, applied on Jobstreet? Is it programming role?

Oh lol no. I don't work in IT, but I still applied anyway to ask if they have any admin/media roles. Never got any replies. But then it's IT...its needed here in EM but the salaries paid to IT grads are low AF.

Yeah probably 2-3k in Sains. Senior maybe more.

Hello,

Does anyone work at Intel, Penang, Bayan Lepas?

I am interested to know the salary range for their IT department, for development manager and manager positions.

If anyone knows please PM me, thanks a lot.