Covid will be over. 2,300 will stay

If you dun wan the job, Bangla wan it... No more complaint..

the job still there for you then good lar.

plenty out there come back position no more.

Poor grad can only compete with Bangladeshi

Starting is to compete not forever. Up the ladder fast if your potential higher than the average... Otherwise just stay low...

I think large companies has much higher starting salary, some audit and law firms easily starts at rm3k for fresh grads. The same applies to the management trainees at large MNCs and PLCs.

Salary is also partly driven by market forces. Company offer high salary to attract talent and offer lower salary for certain jobs that does not require talent.

I think the TS is referring to meeting "social expectation" where a fresh grad will:
1) Have a nice imported car: Honda civic/ Toyota Vios
2) Rent a decent condo
3) Dine at Tony Roma/ Rakuzen once weekly
4) Travel to nice locations

Most of these are moot now due to covid situation in our country but fresh grads even in SG and HK save costs bu doing the following:
1) Stay with parents (save rent, food, ..etc) and work until stable
2) Share with room with roommates like college
3) Eat at affordable places like mamak/ Nasi campur

Nasi campur at KL Sentral also not cheap.

This guy only have Myvi. He nvr share a room but his room not too nice. He needs Parking too at condo.

He really cannot cut 1000 from this budget

Is sad that our life have to start this way and many bosses only want to give RM100 increment and they may need to compete 20 years if they want to be loyal to company

I'm earning 5 figure but i still using RM38 phone plan only...
Fresh graduate should find working place which is reachable by public transport, car are huge depreciated asset and commitment if ur salary wans't that good yet, and obviously renting can be lesser if u shared with ppl.
In my early working year i rarely spend except on insurance and investment, u really doesn't have much choice to change your life if ur bank got no money. 50% increment after 2 years is possible in professional field, but u have to change job, most company dont raise much salary

This post has been edited by ragk: Jun 29 2021, 04:28 PM

Can share plan details, probably gonna change plan soon anyway

Since most company don’t raise much salary, they can actually pay you more and let you live with dignity. But they chose to let you hanging by the line. I elaborated in my post below.

https://lnkd.in/g2xfXsX

My example above is not extreme poverty, it does show what living with dignity requires in KL.

This is meant for discussion. Thanks all for reply and view.

The plan now given the mess we have to deal with is to cut all unnecessary cost as best as possible. Build up your cash reserves. Always keep in mind that everyone will be cutting that cost and you current bring home income may change for the worst.

With respect to TS, I wish not to derail his topic even though I may not necessarily agree with his point.

Can you share the unlimited data phone bill? I am using Hotlink around 60is but ada cap data la. But using not too much but ok la.

I get where you are coming from. But I hope you see our perspective also. 20 years ago, I also think like you. But the harsh realities of life changes that quickly. We have all gone through that phase. If you think that your current company isn't not giving you enough "dignity", then look for others.

I just find your use of the world "dignity" a bit condescending.
What is dignity? How about those earning less than you. Don't they deserve dignity? The world is not perfect. We just have to make do with what we have. Dignity don't come with your monthly paycheck. Employers don't owe you "dignity".

If you have the notion that just because you are a fresh grad, you deserve some form of "dignity", think again. Unfortunately, that's not how the world works. The country as a whole is going backwards already even without the mess we call covid. People are loosing thier livelihood as we speak here. Salaries can only go up when productivity in a country as a whole improves. Otherwise the cost of labour increases cannot be sustained. We have to ask the correct questions why our salaries are not going up.

As my reply above, the best we could do is to re-evaluate our priorities and what we can do without. Cut costs and shore up your cash reserves for emergencies.

I cut my own salary and since we have not worked this month, my grand total for commissions is a big fat zero. My income is half the usual but it hasn't impacted me significantly because I don't have any loan commitments. House and car has been paid off. My house is in order.

Now is not the time to talk about "dignity" when the large proportion of the workforce is just trying to survive the cuts.

I'm using a U mobile GX68 postpaid plan. That gives me unlimited data. I switched from a Digi unlimited 100 plan last year.

But anyways, plans change, so shop around and find what works best for your usage.

I see your point. We all been through hardship. The new generation need not suffer what we did. That’s the whole point we have minimum wage ya?

How much are you / your company paying fresh grads ?

say someone with 2.5 GPA from Lim Kok Wing Creative Writing

The problem of undertraining is another topic for another day.

There are good quality fresh grads today that get 2,300. That is the main issue that I am raising.

The CGPA 2.5 can be earning 10k doing e commerce now. New generation is very different from ours.

Our country also train a lot of students that cannot think, they will ended up not being employed for graduate jobs.

If you require a competent fresh grad with a good productivity, I don’t see how that should be 2,300 in KL. Many years back, 2009, my workplace paid 3,200. 2013 I paid 3,000-3,500.

I totally, totally, agree with this. You people can call me a boomer, I don't care. But I find TS budget for Rm2300 is still too lavish for a fresh grad. Young people come out expect want everything cushy and nice.

Car RM500 I am sure fresh grad can find cheaper car than this. If not, public transport.
Petrol RM300 Look at above.
Parking RM100 Again, look at above.
Room RM600 seems reasonable
Parents RM300 seems reasonable
Food RM900 For one person, RM600 is already enough. What food is TS/fresh grad eating? Purata RM900/30days is RM30 per day.
Phone bill RM100 With wifi calling using Whatsapp/Signal, believe it or not, my phone bill is only about RM3 per month, itupun just for the data only when go outside, receive and send SMS. YES, RM3 per month! Digi.
Phone cost RM100 Early come out to work, want to pay installment for phone? Buy the cheapest smartphone available and call it a day.

When I was young, I made do without so many things and learnt a lot of life lessons on the way. Again, you all can call me boomer for all I care because boomer means 'tough and wise'. RM2300 for fresh grad just right.

This post has been edited by BLKH3: Jun 29 2021, 10:15 PM