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post May 29 2024, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(p4n6 @ May 29 2024, 08:56 AM)
The base interest i believe is reference to last month performance.

From app update, Versa pays interest daily except weekend from what i observed. The weekend interest will be credited on Monday.
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i think they might also be using the 'EAR' method
the closest i could get
(1+0.0363/366)^365-1

basically non-working days since no one is updating the NAV or processing cash in/cash out
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post Jul 23 2024, 07:10 PM

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QUOTE(ycktech @ Jul 23 2024, 01:40 PM)
How come I calculate Versa Cash the daily interest given to me is around 2.99% per anum only?
Am I missing something?

Ex. RM 5000 give daily RM only 0.41, shuldn't it be around RM 0.50?
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how did you calculate?
the amount in versa app/aham iaccess is delayed, which displays the value as at 19 July 2024 (NAV=RM 1.2184)
22 July NAV=RM 1.2188

the return between 27-06-24 and 22-07-24 is roughly 3.82%

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BUT that return may change, it was relatively low back in April 2024 (roughly 3.53%)
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post Jul 24 2024, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(ycktech @ Jul 24 2024, 07:46 AM)
I just see the incoming amount under transaction show 0.41 then i calculate with my deposit amount x % / 366 or 365.
It show diff amount, out of curiosity so I just ask here. biggrin.gif 

Correct me if I am wrong, It seem like the Versa Cash 3.67% is not guaranteed then.
Or is there a minimum promised % from Versa or better is it capital protected under Versa Cash/Save?
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which incoming amount were u referring to?
reinvestment: unit increase & NAV drop, no change in the total amount
rebates: versa top up your account if u participate in their campaign

they used to guaranteed before April/May 2024 without condition, can't remember exactly
promotion now only top up for those who also enrol in versa invest
no mmf is capital protected as far as i know
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post Nov 11 2024, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(ahpan03181 @ Nov 9 2024, 02:51 PM)
I'm new here. Sry want to know does versa save has limit for highest interest rate ? something like 50k max in kdi save for 4%.. thanks.
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what is versa highest interest rate? lol.gif
each booster has its own T&C regarding the 'first available amount' eligible for booster reward
money booster
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post Feb 18 2025, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(devilmaycry9 @ Feb 18 2025, 11:08 AM)
since it is appear in my balance, it get me confuse where the missing balance goes to. If the credit have recorded in transaction why the debit not appear right away when they take it back? All I want transparency.
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you could get the transparency from AHAM iaccess, easier to track history
the balance in Versa app can be confusing sometimes
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post Apr 2 2025, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(fabvader @ Apr 2 2025, 02:35 PM)
For Versa Cash or cash-i, the interest in creditted daily?
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if u r asking whether u would earn daily interest, yes
even if you submit withdrawal request on non-working day, it will be processed in next working day which shall based on the NAV of the working day instead of submission date
wouldn't be the same for cash in scenario
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post May 9 2025, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(wacko_joy @ May 9 2025, 01:27 PM)
How long it takes to reflect the cash in? It seems takes 5 days... means i lose 5 days interest right?
Versa Save acc.
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if u were referring to the amount showing in app, then it would be incorrect because the apps info is delayed
the best way to check would be the statement (showing the date, number of units and price)
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post May 17 2025, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(Optizorb @ May 16 2025, 03:22 PM)
Does Versa process deposits on weekends? Example if i deposit 10k on Saturday before 3pm..

Thinking whether to deposit on Saturday or if i should wait till Monday..

EDIT: I know for withdrawals/cash out, needs to be done on business day Mon-Fri before 3pm. Just unsure whether same rule apply to deposits/cash in.
By logic im assuming it should be the same, but dont want to assume anything.

EDIT2: got my answers. In short, yes follows cash out rules. Detailed explanation available at:
https://support.versa.com.my/hc/en-us/artic...ailable-balance
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there are 2 parts in your question
i) they certainly do not process cash-in/cash-out request outside their working hours
ii) whether these funds will be entitled to the interest

cash-out no issue, since they have not processed your request, would still be entitled to the interest as the NAV would be the time when they process instead the time of your request
cash-in is kind of different, NAV would also be the time when they process, i.e. Monday but the money is out so the bank etc would not credit interest/depending on the cut-off time such as go+
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post Jun 6 2025, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(francis92 @ Jun 6 2025, 08:41 AM)
the 3.89% yet deduct out the 0.3% management fee?
Final rate = 3.59%?
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no, that is the net return u would have received in MAY 2024 only
could be higher or lower
NAV 31/5 RM 1.2351 + distribution RM 0.0025 = RM 1.2376
NAV 30/4 RM 1.2336
(1.2376/1.2336-1) = 0.3243%
(1+0.003243/31)^365-1 ~ 3.89%
April 2025 was ~ 3.59%
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post Jun 13 2025, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jun 13 2025, 10:18 AM)
Versa return my tracking so far

9.5.25 rm80.7k
16.5.25 added 30k
Cost rm110.7k

Referral bonus rm20
Total today RM 111126.73

Minus rm20, profit rm406.73
Return about 4.3%
So far only received Quest reward Rm6.84 (referral 1%)

Anyone can do more accurate calculated return?
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today's value isn't today's value actually lol.gif
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can't reconcile with your information
but the return between 17.5.25 and 11.6.25 is approximately 4.09% + referral bonus 1% ~ 4.19%?
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post Jun 13 2025, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jun 13 2025, 04:13 PM)
7.5.25 deposited RM80.7k completed on 9.5.25

9.5.25  65365.31 units

14.5.25 added RM30k completed on 16.5.25

16.5.25 noted  89646.98 units

1.6.25 noted +189.6 units = 89836.58 units

29.5.25  reinvestment RM224.12
                                +181.5 units

extra 8.1units from?

11.6.25 Noted total is RM111091.92 and units = 89836.58

Today 13.6.25 morning noted RM111 126.73 , units =89850.20

also noted 11.6.25 Referrral Quest Bonus 1% RM6.84

Referral bonus  28.5.25 RM10, 11.6.25 RM10

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the 8.1 unit is the referral bonus RM 10

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post Jun 13 2025, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jun 13 2025, 05:52 PM)
Versa is paying  basic return 3.8%  thumbsup.gif

but i dont understand the last part with capital reduced to RM104700
that 3.98% and 4.05% returns are actually lower right?
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3pm according to Versa

well, we know what the returns were between any period in the past but we won't know what the return will be
April 2025 was 3.59%

RM 104,700 is the weighted average of RM 80,700 (7 days) and RM 110,700 (28 days)
(RM 80,700 x 7 + RM 110,700 x 28) / 35

another perspective would be
RM 80,700 - 35 days @ 3.97% p.a.
RM 30,000 - 28 days @ 4.01% p.a.
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post Jun 13 2025, 07:11 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jun 13 2025, 07:03 PM)
your calculated return 3.8 - 4 is good enough,

how about that 0.0025 x 89646 units = 181.50 units only?

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my point is "Past performance is no guarantee of future results" lol.gif
distribution = 0.25 cents per unit
89,646.98 x RM 0.0025 = RM 224.12
RM 224.12 / RM 1.2348 ~ 181.50 units
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post Jun 14 2025, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jun 13 2025, 10:13 PM)
Cost RM88900, profit RM266.03

take 3 periods
RM1k        11.5.25 -18.5.25 = 7D
RM87700  19.5.25 - 5.6.25 = 18D
RM88900  6.6.25  - 11.6.26 = 5D

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Sunday Deposit completed same day also???
Versa would calculate  our units based on Sunday price?

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what you attached is the summary of the transaction
when you clicked into the transaction details, it would show the date of submission, processing & completion
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i have no idea how the quest work
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post Jun 26 2025, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(Optizorb @ Jun 25 2025, 02:27 PM)
Ahh crap just made a deposit then only remembered Friday is a public holiday..

The deposit only completed on Monday 30/6...
Means wont get any interest for it from today till Monday right..
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not necessarily
versa cash cutoff is 3pm, so quite likely had been processed yesterday
which means would have bought at the NAV of 25/6
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post Jun 27 2025, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(BWassup @ Jun 26 2025, 06:30 PM)
Does the date of processing determine when interest starts accruing? I always thot it was the date the transaction is completed which, for a online transfer in, is 2 working days later. Based on the examples given in the website.
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if u read carefully, T+2 (completed date) is the day that your cash in would be reflected in Versa account
(the Versa balance in app is always lagged behind anyway)

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could check the statement and would realise that the NAV of converting cash-in to units was based on processing date instead of completed date
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post Jun 30 2025, 12:46 AM

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QUOTE(Optizorb @ Jun 29 2025, 04:11 PM)
checked in app for each of my deposit transactions, it seems it become "processing" around 20~30 mins right after "submitted" (aka the time we made the deposit on our end)

So is it safe to say all my units were purchased on the same day of the deposit, therefore the interests start accruing on the same day as well?
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it is highly likely that the NAV will be based on the processing date shown in the Versa app
however, would only get the interests from next day onwards
because when your cash-in were translated into units on 25/6 with NAV RM 1.2361
assuming withdrawing on 26/6 with NAV RM 1.2362, the gain is resulted from holding on the 26/6 instead of 25/6

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post Jun 30 2025, 07:18 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jun 30 2025, 03:19 PM)
yes the price incerase daily

but my Veras Cash las i saw Thurs 26.6.25 was RM111 270.49
today 30.6.25 still same

funny thing i look inside details
Total balance  become lower RM111 063.
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well, business day only, the non-business days will be accumulated and be reflected on next business day

i have mentioned earlier that the balance will appear higher than its actual due to
it multiplied your post-distribution units 89,850.20 by the pre-distribution NAV RM 1.2384
tomorrow the balance will revert back to RM 111,072.82
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jun 30 2025, 08:41 PM)
here is what i see in my Apps

14.6.25  RM111 144.70 (89 850.20 units)
17.6.25 RM111 153.68 (89850.20 units)
18.6          111189.62
19.6          111 198.61
22.6.        111216.58
24.6.25      111 234.55
26.6          111 270.49
30.6.25    111 270.49

Total units remain same

so u mean by 1.7.2025 it will still be RM111 270.49?? static
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i was referring to the overstatement of current value RM 111,270.49, while the available balance is accurate
but i got it wrong, the distribution unit not credited yet
so your actual units would be 90,031.91
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post Jul 1 2025, 06:53 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jul 1 2025, 10:00 AM)
yes today value is RM111 297.45
total 90031.91 units NAV RM1.2362 for? 29.6.25
reinvestment 26.6.2025 181.71 units

try recalculate return using your method
Cost RM110700
return RM597.45 in 52 days

7.5 - 14.5.25  7D RM 80700
15.5 - 29.6.25 45 D RM110700

52D cost average RM106660

so return = 597.45 x 365/52 /106660 =3.93%?
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i would avoid interpreting the result between 27/6 and 29/6 as the NAVs have not been reflected until 30/6
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