From the study.

It is concluded that

M346 only has 50% of the capability of a real fighter like Typhoon

FA-50 90%

Gripen 95%

Interesting there is only 5% difference in capability between FA-50 and gripen while the cost of gripen is double of the FA-50

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So you trust the shiny brochures and all the marketing smokescreens from the manufacturer, or an objective study from a mature western government?

Objectively, what do you mean by Alenia is the best offer for TUDM? What advantage the M346 can give to increase the security of malaysia compared to other LCA/FLIT platforms? Are we willing to compromise our sovereignty to get something that is not the best for our monies worth?

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sembang tak pakai data senang macam sembang kedai kopi.

dari segi apa M346 lagi bagus daripada FA-50?

Until when we are going to sacrifice malaysian military strength for other irrelevant needs? until we lost our independence again?

By the way, the Tentera Darat favourite was not russian T90, but the ukrainian T-80UD. which in the hindsight we dodged a bullet by not getting no.1 favourite. The russian T90 at the time has a weak engine + transmission combo, which makes the PT-91 better in those areas.

typical last minute changes. aku dengar kontrak supply enjin kapal TLDM pun last minit tukar gak. hahah

Boleh share apa souvenir depa dapat? Each dapat cash money and BMW ke? Ataupun rolex watch?

procurement aset atm bukan untuk pertahanan diri sahaja tapi jugak untuk hubungan diplomatik hahahah. tu yang kadang2 tgk aset yang ok dibeli walaupun ada aset yang lagi baik sebagai option.

projek lcs langsung xtahu apa nak jadi dah.

uss gerald r ford aircraft carrier terbaru USA, kapal lagi besar dan complicated pun siap lagi cepat. 6 tahun dah siap dah. lepas tu 4 tahun sea trial.

project lcs malaysia dah masuk 10 tahun, kapal yang 1st pun xsiap2 lagi....

Antara pembelian yg paling berbaloi kepada negara.

Tak ada orang tengah, pembelian FMS.

Offset pembelian hornet kepada negara ialah pemberian mesin CNC rapid prototyping paling canggih pada zaman 90an yang diletakkan di technology park malaysia bukit jalil. Daripada mesin rapid prototyping ni lah kita dapat buat proton Gen-2, Waja.

Yak-130 and looking at SU-30SM

https://alert5.com/2021/09/06/deliveries-of...sions-on-su-30/

T-90SK

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-det...anks-to-vietnam

No. Not all countries have "offsets". And yes, the countries that do are often knee-deep in corruption. The result of which are delays and FFBNW fiascos and directors who abscond to other countries.

Offsets have largely not benefited Malaysia but enrich criminals.

Oh please. The whole system of offset has done practically nothing to Malaysia but fostered corruption.

That the MAF is in this state is a testament to that.

It is just rubbish. Just buy off the shelf and MAF wont be in this shit.

What are you talking about? The point is that it does little 2 benefit Malaysia.

And why on earth would corruption be documented?Does it foster corruption? Certainly.

I am not interested with your beef with Ph. The whole system needs a reset.

Bila mati, jawab la di akhirat yer.

No need. You do not need 2 be a muslim to see hypocrites.

6 kedah out of a planned 27. The original plan is unsustainable anyway. 300 million dollars ship but FFBNW or as our neighbors say, ompong.


OPVs, with the size of Kedah class or bigger, should cost less than the uber expensive LMS. The MMEA OPV1800 costs less than the LMS, and these OPVs that we should build more of.

Good example why there shouldbt be offsets^.  Otherwise youll get these and Atreyus.

So? Malaysia is the sovereign entity buying it ultimately.

Oh pls, Msia cannot afford Rafales.

NGPV next batch should not even be in the plans at all.

OPV is MMEA task not TLDM.

60 million dollars 1890 tonnes displacement and 83m long  OPV 1800 can do the same task as the 300 million dollars 1850 tonnes displacement and 91m long Kedah class.

1x Kedah class can pay for 5x OPV 1800 Tun Fatimah class. Money that TLDM can better spend on stuff that can really do offensive tasks, like UUVs, more scorpenes, low cost LMS (less than 20 million dollars each) that are fast, agile, and can have modular missile systems.

does not matter who is behind that. If we did really at the time buy and pay for those rafales or typhoons (which was like 8-12 aircraft only?), TUDM will be royally screwed for the next 30 years. We will have zero money for LCA/LIFT, MPA and new ground based air defence radars. We won't have the money to regularly operate those expensive fighters and will be good only for occasional parades. isn't that can be counted as treason to the country?

Interesting. TLDM interested at getting more OPV (with upgraded spec?) in the future if our LCS is sorted out?

To be fair, The western world pretty much had stop playing on the sawit issues.

We unlike ID had run out of land to plant palm oil anyway. So getting them angmoh to acknowledge the sustainable palm  oil would get us somewhere & probably even higher selling prices.

Their political tools of choice nowdays is slave laborer. And personally, the kind of political pressure we kinda need. Continue reliances on exploitation of low wages foreigners workers won't get us anyway. But transition towards knowledge base and automation required more cooperation with western economy.

I concur, FIC is not a job for TLDM, but it is just to spend ops benteng budget allocated to TLDM. At least its better than just getting a few books like TUDM 🤪

A Kedah class corvette with RAM and Exocets would be great like 10 years ago. But for the future? With geospatial satellite tracking and what not, can it really bring the fight to the enemy? Anything less than what we are buying for our Gowinds is in my opinion not survivable in war situation. If corvettes are sitting ducks in future wars, why bother? if it is just going to be used as OPV, better buy something that is made for OPV instead, rather than a FFBNW corvette with all the expensive stuff.
if we did really buy the 18 rafale then, what do you would happen to TUDM in 30 years time? Do you think Rafales or Typhoons are the best for TUDM future? Greece buy 12 used and 6 new Rafales for 3 billion dollars. If we buy in the last rancangan malaysia, we need probably until 2030 to fully pay the Rafales.

Even currently not buying the MMRCA we dont really have the money to buy anything for TUDM. If we do buy the Rafale, we will be surely without MB339 and Hawk replacements until after 2030. We will have broken fighter pilot training system. We will not have money to buy MPA, compromising our EEZ defence. We will not have money to buy UAVs. We will be stuck with the Rafale for 30 more years.

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did leonardo offer additional 7 free M346 to malaysia?

we do know from DSCA 18 units of F/A-18F offer to Malaysia in 2002 was 1.5 billion dollars. There was no DSCA notification in 2015 for super hornet.

So Leonardo is just going to give 250 million dollars worth of aircraft for free? 22 September will be the closing date for LCA/FLIT. Just 1 week away. Surely the manufacturers will disclose their offers and costs then.