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azriel
post Jan 28 2022, 08:09 PM

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Reports of USMC is in negotiation to buy ex-Kuwait legacy F-18 Hornets.

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As for the legacy F-18 Hornets, their fate is yet to be determined due to high demand from various countries.

Kuwait last year denied reports of a deal to sell its entire fleet to Malaysia, as was announced by government officials there. There were also press reports that Tunis was interested in acquiring the warplanes.

“Kuwait cannot sell the legacy Hornets to another country without the prior approval of the US Navy,” according to Hashim. “There are reports that the US Marines command appears to be interested in acquiring the Kuwait fleet of Hornets, and negotiations were underway between the two sides.”


https://breakingdefense.com/2022/01/kuwaiti...elivery-delays/

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Jan 28 2022, 06:27 PM)
Merkel due to Germany history can't be too cruel.
Thatcher however could. Anglos are cruel and they are proud of it and has no remorse even today about being cruel.(except in Canada, NZ & California p)

Boris is just a stereo typical populist leader while marcon like most french politicians just want to be another Napoleon.

Of course Spain like Greece are bankrupt, France are at odds with turkey & the Balkans, Poland & Hungary are being crazy, off course when Merkel try to solve it all, everyone just called her country playing the 4th Reich.

At this point Germany is  just roles replaying the Hapsburg, trying hard to hold it together entertaining all these small lord smallish powerplay while external player like Turks,anglos & Russian are poking in
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Lol interesting analogy with the Habsburgs. Unfortunately the Habsburgs were more successful than the Germans currently are at holding off the Eastern Hordes.

It's not about worrying about 4th Reich. Right now people WANT Germany to step up to the plate. They are only wishy washy because they think it's an easier life to be in the middle.

Boris is the only idiot the Tories could find stupid enough to be the punching bag. Macron has the vision but not the drive, and is probably a mega cuck anyway.

(I actually miss Theresa May, she wasn't bad)

Thatcher knew a certain degree of cruelty was necessary. Overall she was truly reasonably centrist.

The French are also trying to stymie Russian and ISIS influence in Africa. That's not a bad thing. But they're too poor to play big brother even there too.
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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Jan 29 2022, 02:33 AM)
Lol interesting analogy with the Habsburgs. Unfortunately the Habsburgs were more successful than the Germans currently are at holding off the Eastern Hordes.

It's not about worrying about 4th Reich. Right now people WANT Germany to step up to the plate. They are only wishy washy because they think it's an easier life to be in the middle.

Boris is the only idiot the Tories could find stupid enough to be the punching bag. Macron has the vision but not the drive, and is probably a mega cuck anyway.

(I actually miss Theresa May, she wasn't bad)

Thatcher knew a certain degree of cruelty was necessary. Overall she was truly reasonably centrist.

The French are also trying to stymie Russian and ISIS influence in Africa. That's not a bad thing. But they're too poor to play big brother even there too.
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Agree that France is too poor to play big brother.
All they have are just self inflated pride as they themselves see themselves as a big brother. But no one else treats them as such.
Basically the same dilemma as PRC currently face. You could say both these countries are just playing Eric Cartman from southpark.

Germany like Japan even ID would never rise up to the plate no matter how their neighbors wishes for it. Their internal politics & cultures would always ensure them playing in the middle.

Which is a big problem for everyone else as the anglos are playing the global master of the sea and air. But of course china & Russia aren't challenging the anglos in global hegemony, they just wanna carved out a tiny slice of area for their owned Monroe Doctrine.

Without regional power like Germany & ID participation, smaller country can only choose to kawtaw to Russia & PRC or step up to the plate to support the anglos military operation. Which is why Italy, Spain, the Scandinavian are sending military asset to Ukraine and warship to SCS while Germany send a field hospital.
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post Jan 30 2022, 07:49 AM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Jan 29 2022, 10:38 PM)
Agree that France is too poor to play big brother.
All they have are just self inflated pride as they themselves see themselves  as a big brother. But no one else treats them as such.
Basically the same dilemma as PRC currently face. You could say both these countries are just playing Eric Cartman from southpark.

Germany like Japan even ID would never rise up to the plate no matter how their neighbors wishes for it. Their internal politics & cultures would always ensure them playing in the middle.

Which is a big problem for everyone else as the anglos are playing the global master of the sea and air. But of course china & Russia aren't challenging the anglos in global hegemony, they just wanna carved out a tiny slice of area for their owned Monroe Doctrine.

Without regional power like Germany &  ID participation, smaller country can only choose to kawtaw to Russia & PRC or step up to the plate to support the anglos military operation. Which is why Italy, Spain, the Scandinavian are sending military asset to Ukraine and warship to SCS while Germany send a field hospital.
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Yeah I think I broadly agree

Russia at this point can only hope to be a regional power, unless it can revamp its economy. Right now their clout is mainly subsisting on the Cold War stockpile of tanks, nukes, and Sukhois

PRC however probably wants to make a play to be taiko. Look at Africa.
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Indonesia’s $125B air, naval splurge may mean ’50 warships’ at sea in next 2 years

By Colin Clark on January 28, 2022 at 9:08 AM

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The Boeing F-15EX is on Indonesia’s wish-list. (Boeing)

SYDNEY: For the first time in decades, Indonesia appears ready to significantly improve its air and naval capabilities, with early commitments of spending $125 billion over the next 20-plus years.

Defense minister Prabowo Subianto was quoted in an English-language website Jan. 27 saying that he has told Indonesia’s president that the country will have “up to 50 warships” in the next two years. Sadly, no details were available as to what kinds of “warships” he might have meant, whether frigates and destroyers or offshore patrol craft. It may, suggests one analyst who asked not to be identified, simply mean Indonesia’s navy will have 50 ships ready to go to sea at any one time.

What seems clear is that the loss last year of one of Indonesia’s aging submarines, combined with China’s persistent and aggressive breaching of Indonesia’s Extended Economic Zone, seems to have provided the impetus to Prabowo and President Joko Widodo to push for serious budgetary commitments.

The list of desired weapons includes several squadrons of French Rafale and Boeing’s F-15EX fighters. Prabowo has already signed deals for two British Arrowhead 140 frigates, to be built in Indonesia, and six Italian FREMM multi-role frigates, as well as two refurbished Italian Navy Maestrale-class light frigates.

The initial commitment to the $125 billion was contained in a document, “Fulfilling the Defence and Security Equipment Needs of the Ministry of Defence and Indonesian Armed Forces (TNI) 2020-24,” released in June last year.

“You’ve got a defense minister with a military background, and he’s been very active — particularly during the pandemic — making trips overseas, trying to shore up defense ties,” says Natalie Sambhi, an Australian expert on Indonesia’s national security, who is executive director of Verve Research, an independent research collective focused on security in Southeast Asia. “Yes, we can talk about his own political goals for that, but at the end of the day he has been very active in actually pushing forward this modernization program.” (Prabowo is widely assumed to be eyeing a run for president.)

While recent incursions into Indonesia’s EEZ by Chinese vessels and others appears to give Prabowo’s defense buildup a chance of happening, significant systemic and political factors stand in the way.


Read more: https://breakingdefense.com/2022/01/indones...al-splurge/amp/
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A Maritime Striker - Could Indonesia End Up Operating The Bayraktar TB3?

Oryx  Monday, January 31, 2022  
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Indonesia's stated desire to acquire drones from Turkey could one day also see an interest in the Bayraktar TB3, which was designed as a heavier version of the TB2 that can also operate from aircraft carriers and landing helicopter docks (LHDs). [1] The Indonesian Navy has already experimented with using fixed-wing UAVs from the helicopter deck of one of its Dutch-built Diponegoro-class corvettes. [2] Although the UAV could only take-off from the vessel and had to land at an air base, the effort clearly indicates that Indonesia is interested in operating shipborne fixed-wing UAVs.

The Indonesian Navy currently operates a fleet of seven landing platform docks (LPDs), three of which are outfitted as hospital ships. Most of the LPDs were constructed by state-owned shipbuilder PT PAL Indonesia, which acquired the license to construct the Makassar class from Dae Sun Shipyard in South Korea. In June 2014 PT PAL signed a $92 million contract for the delivery of two LPDs to the Philippine Navy. [3] Although delivered without many of the systems considered standard on contemporary ships in Western nations, the low unit price of some $45m means that these ships are now actually financially attainable for countries like Indonesia and the Philippines.

It is currently believed that the Indonesian Navy intends to procure several landing platform helicopter vessels (LPHs) in the coming decade. In 2018 PT PAL unveiled a 244-metres long LPH design that will likely form the basis of the design that will be offered to the Indonesian Navy. [4] Similar to the Turkish TCG Anadolu LHD, the LPH design features a large aft elevator that can move helicopters and large U©AVs to the flight deck or hangar. Designed to be deployed from LHDs and LPHs from the onset, the Bayraktar TB3 could be deployed from Indonesia's LPHs without any design modifications required. Due to their small size and foldable wings, numerous TB3s could be deployed on the ships along with ASW helicopters and other drones to provide Indonesia with its first (unmanned-) aircraft carrier.


Read more: https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/01/a-mar...ia-end.html?m=1

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Kaplan MT. Credit to gdh defence.

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Kerajaan digesa penuhi keperluan 'Mothership' APMM demi pertahan sumber laut negara

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Model 'Mothership' APMM rekaan Muhibbah Engineering

PETALING JAYA – Kerajaan digesa memenuhi keperluan pertahanan perairan negara dengan membekalkan kapal induk untuk kegunaan pasukan keselamatan terutamanya Maritim Malaysia (APMM) bagi mengekang sepenuh­nya pencerobohan nelayan asing.

Pakar-pakar keselamatan berpendapat, tiga buah kapal soko­ngan logistik pelbagai guna (MPMS) dengan kos hampir RM1.05 bilion yang dipohon APMM perlu disegerakan bagi mengelakkan hasil laut negara terus dicuri nelayan asing terutama dari Vietnam.

Sejak 2017, APMM telah me­negaskan keperluan mendesak kapal MPMS untuk bertindak sebagai kapal induk dan pangkalan hadapan pada kapal peronda dan helikopter APMM mengisi bekal tanpa perlu pulang ke pangkalan.

Ia sekali gus boleh menjimatkan masa proses ulang bekal dan membolehkan kapal ronda terus berada di kawasan tanggungjawab masing-masing selain dapat meningkatkan lagi keberkesanan kehadiran kapal ronda.

Kapal induk ini dicadang untuk diletakkan di perairan Be­ting Patinggi Ali dekat Laut China Selatan serta di perairan Pantai Timur yang merupakan lokasi strategik maritim.

Sebagai rekod, negara kerugian RM6 bilion setahun disebabkan pencerobohan nelayan dan ia satu nilai yang sangat besar.

Tahun lepas sahaja, seba­nyak 474 bot nelayan Vietnam menceroboh perairan barat Malaysia sehingga ke kepulauan Indonesia.

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Thursday, February 3, 2022

Indonesia aims to have the strongest navy in Southeast Asia within the decade

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A FREMM frigate, with the TNI-AL procuring 6 ships as part of its modernization. Photo c/o Italian Navy. 

Indonesian Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto has the Indonesian Government’s plan to further strengthen the country’s military strength and continue building up its capabilities.

Minister Subianto said that their goal is for the Indonesian Navy (TNI-AL) to have 50 combat-ready warships and making it the strongest navy in Southeast Asia.

This would be dependent on the Indonesian Government’s continuous support to fund the Ministry of Defense (MOD), which has received its highest ever budget for budget year 2022 reaching IRP133.9 trillion (US$9.33 billion).

The MOD plans to start procurement of several warships in the next 24 months, and has received the green light from Indonesian President Joko Widodo and the Indonesian Ministry of Finance.

Currently the MOD has confirmed the acquisition of 2 Arrowhead 140 frigates from the United Kingdom, 6 new FREMM frigates  and 2 refurbished Maestrale-class frigates from Italy, while also in discussions to procure 8 Mogami-class frigates from Japan.

These will replace the 5 ageing Ahmad Yani-class frigates, while complementing the 2 Martadinata-class frigates currently with the TNI-AL.

Plans are also underway to procure destroyers and additional corvettes and submarines.


https://www.asiapacificdefensejournal.com/2...navy_3.html?m=1


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This would be dependent on the Indonesian Government’s continuous support to fund the Ministry of Defense (MOD), which has received its highest ever budget for budget year 2022 reaching IRP133.9 trillion (US$9.33 billion).


Thats a bigger navy than the Royal Navy or Australian navy or German navy with substantially lower yearly defence budget. This minimum force was revealed many years ago and surfaces from time to time on forums and blogs.

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https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-det...2D19%20pandemic.

Australia spends about $34 billion USD yearly. I dont bother mentioning UK's defence budget.

Apart from making noise in the press or via defence enthusiasts or signing documents on the intent to buy these or that equipment, the most critical question is where are the equipment? Indonesia is borrowing to spend. Msia could also do it but the risks are high.

Have the loans been obtained for the Rafale, F15s, KFXs (nevermind the money owned)? Where are the Arrowheads, FREMMs, dozens of submarines apart from occasional news of progress in negotiations or somewhat some progress in loans?

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QUOTE(azriel @ Jan 30 2022, 08:33 AM)
As always, people should read defence news from Indo with mouthfuls of salt.

Janes is more precise on the so-called USD $125 billion procurement budget i.e. over a 25 year period:

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-det...ernisation-plan

This is contingent on foreign loans to be approved in the first place - which is why you find many of the afore-mentioned defence announcements falling short of fruition because the Indo are still looking for funds to borrow.

Indonesia's government debt as of Dec 2021 is around USD $484 billion (nearly 4X the size of its foreign reserves).

Indonesia is also attempting to borrow hundreds of billions more 2 build its new capital.

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Syarikat pembinaan perkapalan tempatan intai peluang kontrak pembinaan LMS batch 2 untuk TLDM

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Kementerian Pertahanan dan Tentera Laut Diraja Malaysia (TLDM) telah pun menyatakan bahawa projek pemnbinaan kumpulan kedua lapan buah kapal Littoral Mission Ship (LMS) akan bermula sama ada tahun ini atau tahun depan.

Batch Kedua kapal-kapal LMS itu akan menambah empat buah kapal LMS Batch 1 yang telah pun selamat diterima oleh TLDM.

Empat buah kapal LMS daripada Batch 1 yang dibina di China iaitu KD Keris, KD Sundang, KD Badik dan KD Rencong telah pun ditauliahkan ke dalam perkhidmatan TLDM.

Panglima TLDM Laksamana Tan Sri Mohd Reza Mohd Sany berkata pihak sedang berusaha memastikan projek pembinaan lapan buah kapal LMS Batch II itu berjaya dilaksanakan.

“Kita jangkakan kapal-kapal LMS batch kedua akan dapat direalisasikan pada tahun ini atau tahun depan, kita sedang usahakan ke arah itu,” kata beliau kepada pemberita pada majlis pentauliahan kapal LMS keempatnya iaitu KD Rencong di Pangkalan TLDM, Sepanggar, Sabah baru-baru ini.

Setakat ini katanya, pihak TLDM masih belum memutuskan pihak mana yang akan membuatnya atau rekabentuk pilihan pihak terhadap kapal-kapal LMS Batch II itu.

Bagaimanapun kita mengetahui bahawa beberapa buah syarikat tempatan termasuk Boustead sedang memerhati dengan penuh minat tender yang bakal diiklankan oleh Kementerian Pertahanan untuk memperolehi lapan buah kapal Littoral Mission Ship (LMS) Batch II bagi menambah empat buah kapal LMS sedia ada.

Antara syarikat yang dikatakan berminat untuk membekalkan kapal LMS Batch II adalah Boustead Heavy Industries Corp (BHIC), dimana anak syarikatnya, Boustead Naval Shipyard yang turut terlibat dalam pembinaan empat buah kapal LMS Batch I bersama rakan syarikat Chinanya, China Shipbuilding and Offshore Corporation (CSOC).

Kenyataan tentang minat Boustead untuk terlibat dalam pembinaan lapan buah kapal LMS Batch II telah disuarakan oleh syarikat milik Lembaga Tabung Angkatan Tentera (LTAT) itu dalam satu kenyataan pada September tahun lepas.

“Dengan kemudahan dan kakitangan yang berpengalaman, kami mempunyai rekod di dalam pembinaan kapal-kapal tentera laut. BHIC berharap memperolehi kontrak untuk (membina) kapal-kapal LMS yang seterusnya,” katanya.

Kenyataan dikeluarkan oleh ketua pegawai eksekutif Boustead Heavy Industries Corporation Sharifuddin Md Zaini Al-Manaf tidak lama selepas TLDM menerima kapal LMS yang ketiga, KD Badik pada September tahun lepas.

Semasa pameran DSA 2018, BHIC telah mendedahkan reka bentuk konsep kapal LMS Batch 2 yang ternyata lebih panjang dan besar berbanding empat buah kapal LMS Batch 1 yang dibina di limbungan kapal di China ketika ini.

Rekabentuk konsep yang dipamerkan pada DSA 2018 itu menunjukkan kapal LMS Batch 2 Boustead mampu menampung sebuah helikopter bersaiz Super Lynx serta meriam Bofors 40mm serta mesingan.

Bagaimanapun, imej BHIC dan BNS mungkin sedikit sebanyak terjejas akibat kelewatan dalam menyiapkan enam buah kapal Littoral Combat Ship (LCS) bernilai RM9 bilion. Adakah BHIC dan BNS akan menerima kesan daripada kontroversi pembinaan kapal-kapal LCS itu?

Sebuah lagi syarikat tempatan, Destini Berhad juga dilaporkan berminat untuk menyertai persaingan membekalkan lapan buah kapal LMS Batch II dengan bekerjasama dengan syarikat Damen.

Rekabentuk kapal sebagaimana cadangan yang dikemukan oleh Destini dan Damen adalah sepanjang 83 meter hampir menyamai kapal OPV (Offshore Patrol Vessel) yang sedang dibina oleh Agensi Penguatkuasa Maritim Malaysia (APMM).

Sementara itu, syarikat tempatan TH Heavy Engineering Bhd (THHE) sebagaimana dilaporkan oleh media baru-baru ini, dikatakan telah menjalin kerjasama dengan syarikat pembuat kapal China, LIREN Marine Technology Co Ltd dan menyertai persaingan untuk membekalkan lapan buah kapal LMS Batch II.

Menurut laporan akhbar kewangan, The Edge baru-baru ini, THHE telah menandatangani Memorandum Persefahaman (MoU) dengan APO Integrated Services Sdn Bhd, yang merupakan wakil eksklusif LIREN bagi tujuan kerjasama itu pada Selasa.

LIREN dikatakan merupakan pemilik perkapalan di Foshan, Guandong di selatan China.

“MoU itu membolehkan syarikat (THHE) dan APO untuk meneroka dan bersetuju dengan terma usahasama itu untuk sama-sama membida projek berkenaan,” menurut THHE sebagaimana dipetik dalam laporan oleh akhbar kewangan itu.

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BNS should stay away from LMS Batch 2, in fact BNS should not touch any RMN naval ship building contract until they finish the delivery LCS ship.

local shipyards should form a Joint Ventures Group to jointly bid for the LMS Batch 2 project. if single shipyard get the project, chance are the project will hit with Cost Over Run and Delays like the INDIAN Government building Arjun MBT and TEJAS.
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QUOTE(James831 @ Feb 7 2022, 10:57 PM)
BNS should stay away from LMS Batch 2, in fact BNS should not touch any RMN naval ship building contract until they finish the delivery LCS ship.

local shipyards should form a Joint Ventures Group to jointly bid for the LMS Batch 2 project. if single shipyard get the project, chance are the project will hit with Cost Over Run and Delays like the INDIAN Government building Arjun MBT and TEJAS.
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Hari tu I came across a news from Bousted with a picture that they offering to built the 2nd batch LMS

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The Dassault Aviation Rafale lands in Indonesia

Indonesia bought six Rafale. Waiting for better. Florence Parly's visit on Wednesday and Thursday could be an opportunity to complete the future Rafale fleet of the Indonesian Air Force.

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New export success for the Rafale. According to corroborating sources, Dassault Aviation has signed an order with Indonesia for the sale of six Rafales. While waiting for better... The Minister of the Armed Forces, who will be in Indonesia on Wednesday and Thursday after having postponed her visit in January, could obtain a new, more substantial order (between 30 and 36 aircraft). This first order is certainly modest but it is important for the aircraft manufacturer: it put a foot in the door in a country, which had never bought combat aircraft from France. It is also the assurance not of guaranteed success for a future order but of solid and serious consideration on the part of Indonesia.

It is therefore a major success for the CEO of Dassault Aviation Eric Trappier, who has set himself the objective of selling the Rafale in a new country after filling up on the countries that use the Mirage 2000 (Egypt, Qatar, India, UAE and Greece), with the exception of course of Taiwan but also of Peru. It should be noted that Croatia, which had never owned tricolor fighter planes, offered itself twelve second-hand Rafales, a contract carried by the General Directorate of Armaments (DGA).

A budget taken from the Sukhoi

The contract for the six Rafales was probably financed by the Indonesian Ministry of Defence from a budget earmarked for the purchase of Sukhoi 35s (nearly 600 million dollars). The Americans strongly advised the Indonesians against signing a contract with the Russians, as they could have been sanctioned under the CAATSA (Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act), which punishes countries that buy arms from Russia. This cash therefore enabled Prabowo Subianto to buy his first six Rafales.

For the past two years, the Indonesian minister has also wanted to buy about 24 F-15 EXs from Boeing. Just as he wants to complete the Rafale fleet with about thirty additional aircraft from Dassault Aviation. Florence Parly's visit will be decisive for this new order.


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