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ayamxxx
post Feb 9 2022, 08:12 AM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Feb 8 2022, 05:41 PM)
Hari tu I came across a news from Bousted with a picture that they offering to built the 2nd batch LMS

muka tak malu  laugh.gif
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Why no other companies bidding that scope? Too high risk for cost overrun? Hence many not interested bidding it?
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post Feb 9 2022, 09:53 AM

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On the front page of your eco daily newspaper - Dassault Aviation places the #Rafale in Indonesia



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post Feb 9 2022, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Feb 9 2022, 08:12 AM)
Why no other companies bidding that scope? Too high risk for cost overrun? Hence many not interested bidding it?
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No, they tak bid
but dengan muka tak malu tawarkan diri untuk the next project

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Feb 9 2022, 11:12 AM)
No, they tak bid
but dengan muka tak malu tawarkan diri untuk the next project
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Malu bukan budaya kita....pocket lagi penting
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post Feb 9 2022, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Feb 9 2022, 11:12 AM)
No, they tak bid
but dengan muka tak malu tawarkan diri untuk the next project
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sorry to disagree, everyone is entitled to bid. client to decide on the outcome, reject or accept it.
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Feb 9 2022, 02:25 PM)
sorry to disagree, everyone is entitled to bid. client to decide on the outcome, reject or accept it.
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Memang semua entitle to bid
kalau project pun kerajaan tak buka tuk bidding lagi
ko nak bid apa jadah laugh.gif
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post Feb 9 2022, 10:20 PM

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Indonesian Navy plan to equipped its warships with the Kongsberg Naval Strike Missile. KRI Golok-688 to conduct the firing test of the NSM.

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KRI Golok-688 X63 Trimaran FAC

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MORE POWERFUL 250 KM MISSILE WILL STRENGTHEN TNI AL'S WARSHIP

Posted By : Admin, 09/02/2022 19:07 WIB

The Indonesian Navy plans to strengthen its combat fleet with highly effective Naval Strike Missiles suitable for warships belonging to the Indonesian Navy because it has a firepower of 250 km.


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To test its capabilities, the Navy Chief wants the Naval Strike Missile to be tested on KRI Golok in the South China Sea with a target range of 250 km according to the missile's specifications. The Indonesian Navy will provide security facilities and shooting targets in the context of training, while Kongsberg will provide missiles to be tested and their firing systems.


Read more: https://www.tnial.mil.id/berita/41137/MAKIN...-PERANG-TNI-AL/

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SHAH ALAM: Shine a light. The FLIT-LCA tender saga is not to end soon – I am told – but there is another issue that had perplexed me so far. This involved the participation of one aircraft type and the non-entry of two more.

If you aware either through my previous post on the FLIT-LCA candidates, the YAk-130 Mitten and JF-17 Thunder, were among the aircraft that were supposed to take part in the tender which was published last year. The Yak-130 even took part in LIMA 19 to show how serious was the intent to take part in the tender.

I have been told by a number of sources, however, the Mitten was not offered in the tender and in its place the Mig-35 was thrown in the hat. It is likely the backers of the modernised Fulcrum believed it was a shoe-in for the LCA requirement. And they did not think that the Yak-130 was good enough for it. This was in contrast with the requirement for the same type of aircraft to be able to meet the FLIT and LCA requirements in a single airframe.

The Sino-Pakistani JF-17 Thunder was the other aircraft which was offered in response to the RFI but did not take part in the FLIT-LCA tender. It must be noted that the backers of the Thunder was so confident of her winning that they even got the then PM Tun Mahathir Mohamad to have a look at the aircraft before he left for home.

I was told that the Thunder was not offered for the FLIT-LCA tender to make way for the CATIC L-15B Falcon. I was told that Falcon was more suitable for the FLIT-LCA as it is a multi-role aircraft and more over it needed another export customer. The Falcon has so far has only Zambia as its export customer compared to the Thunder which has also been sold to Myanmar and Nigeria.

It is likely that the decision to place the Falcon in the tender and not even allowed the Thunder to even participate, was taken by the top people in China’s aerospace industry. And as for the winner of the tender, I have no idea, really but I am told that it may well be that the first aircraft will only be in service beyond 2025.


- YAK-130 not going for LCA tender because someone think it not good enough for LCA tender so replace it with MIG-35???
- CATIC L-15B is being enter LCA tender because it need more customer than JF-17?

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post Feb 10 2022, 03:47 PM

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Indonesia purchases the Rafale

2022/02/10

In the presence of the French Minister of the Armed Forces, Florence Parly, and the Indonesian Minister of Defence, Prabowo Subianto, the Chairman and CEO of Dassault Aviation, Eric Trappier, and the Air Vice Marshal Yusuf Jauhari, Head of Defence Facilities Agency of the Indonesian Ministry of Defence, signed the contract for the acquisition by ...

(Saint-Cloud, France, February 10, 2022) – In the presence of the French Minister of the Armed Forces, Florence Parly, and the Indonesian Minister of Defence, Prabowo Subianto, the Chairman and CEO of Dassault Aviation, Eric Trappier, and the Air Vice Marshal Yusuf Jauhari, Head of Defence Facilities Agency of the Indonesian Ministry of Defence, signed the contract for the acquisition by Indonesia of 42 latest-generation Rafale aircraft, at a ceremony held today in Jakarta.

The Rafale acquisition for the Tentara Nasional Indonesia Angkatan Udara (Indonesian National Army Air Force) includes a complete turnkey solution, with a comprehensive package that covers aircrew training, logistical support for several Indonesian air bases, and a training center with two full-mission simulators.

The Rafale’s unique “omnirole” capability will provide Indonesia with a tool for sovereignty and operational independence, reinforcing its role as a major regional power.

Indonesian industry will benefit from a substantial industrial return, not only in the aeronautical sector, but also in all the other major areas of cooperation relating to the broad portfolio of dual technologies mastered by Dassault Aviation and its industrial partners, Safran Aircraft Engines and Thales.

“It is a great honor for Dassault Aviation to see the Rafale join the highly prestigious Tentara Nasional Indonesia Angkatan Udara air force, and I would like to thank the Indonesian authorities for the trust they have placed in us. This contract marks the start of a long-term partnership that will see Dassault Aviation rapidly step up its presence in the country. It also demonstrates the strong bond between Indonesia and France and reinforces the position of the world’s largest archipelago as a key power on the international stage. I am confident that the Rafale will meet the operational needs of the Indonesian Air Force, actively contributing to the defence and sovereignty of the Republic of Indonesia”, said Eric Trappier on this occasion.

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https://www.dassault-aviation.com/en/group/...ses-the-rafale/



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is it just me or is the digital camo ugly af. I dont know about its effectiveness but close up, looks ugly
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post Feb 10 2022, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Feb 10 2022, 03:58 PM)
great for indonesia to get

42 Rafales and 2 Scorpenes.

but what does this mean?

Indonesia will need to pay at least USD7 billion for those 42 Rafales if we look at the cost of previous deals.

The scorpenes probably will cost USD1 billion.

we do know for 2022, from the total indonesian defence budget of USD9.3 billion, USD 3 billion would be for new equipments. If each service gets USD1 billion, those Rafales will swallow up all the airforce buying budget up till 2028 or whereabouts.

Right now Indonesia is at the end of the queue for rafales. When can indonesia get all 42 Rafales? 2028?

How many years will Indonesia need to use the Rafales? more than 30 years? Can Rafales still be relevant in 2040-2050?

Will the buy of Rafales affect indonesian payment for I-FX R&D?

Can TNI-AU afford to regularly fly 42 expensive Rafales?

So is F-15EX is now out of the picture?

With its new capital Nusantara in Borneo, surely at least 1 squadron of Rafale will be in Borneo. How will TUDM react to this deployment? Need new fighter squadrons in Kuching?



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QUOTE(alexz23 @ Feb 10 2022, 04:46 PM)
great for indonesia to get

42 Rafales and 2 Scorpenes.

but what does this mean?

Indonesia will need to pay at least USD7 billion for those 42 Rafales if we look at the cost of previous deals.

The scorpenes probably will cost USD1 billion.

we do know for 2022, from the total indonesian defence budget of USD9.3 billion, USD 3 billion would be for new equipments. If each service gets USD1 billion, those Rafales will swallow up all the airforce buying budget up till 2028 or whereabouts.

Right now Indonesia is at the end of the queue for rafales. When can indonesia get all 42 Rafales? 2028?

How many years will Indonesia need to use the Rafales? more than 30 years? Can Rafales still be relevant in 2040-2050?

Will the buy of Rafales affect indonesian payment for I-FX R&D?

Can TNI-AU afford to regularly fly 42 expensive Rafales?

So is F-15EX is now out of the picture?

With its new capital Nusantara in Borneo, surely at least 1 squadron of Rafale will be in Borneo. How will TUDM react to this deployment? Need new fighter squadrons in Kuching?
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They already set up a plan $125 Billion for defence modernization....$7 Billion is still nothing i guess.
They are not a bunch of kid.....they will considered before they execute.
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QUOTE(azriel @ Feb 10 2022, 03:58 PM)
sigh... we can only look in envy to our neighbors....
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post Feb 10 2022, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(shootout @ Feb 10 2022, 04:58 PM)
They already set up a plan $125 Billion for defence modernization....$7 Billion is still nothing i guess.
They are not a bunch of kid.....they will considered before they execute.
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That $125 billion plan is from 2020 up to 2044, a 25 year period.

http://theconversation.com/what-is-indones...ed-to-do-163080

That is what they plan, but can the nation take the burden of that much debt?


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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Feb 10 2022, 05:05 PM)
sigh... we can only look in envy to our neighbors....
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no need to.

I would not agree if TUDM gets rafale now instead of badly needed LCA/FLIT. Other nations are buying stealth fighters, that is what TUDM needs to buy next after LCA/FLIT. Not something like the Rafale that is going to be obsolete in a few years time, just like our current Hornets.

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QUOTE(alexz23 @ Feb 10 2022, 05:17 PM)
That $125 billion plan is from 2020 up to 2044, a 25 year period.

http://theconversation.com/what-is-indones...ed-to-do-163080

That is what they plan, but can the nation take the burden of that much debt?
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Look at their orbat.

I always say relook what they they claim - when it comes to Indo.

If they say they want 100 of something, theyll actually end up with less than a 3rd of that.

How many Rafales did they "actually" buy? 6. Is it even brand new or has the latest tech on board. Also, one must take into account that f15s (latest blocks), typhoons, rafales, suks, etc.
are from the early 2000s in terms of design. Esp by 2030.

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