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azriel
post May 22 2021, 12:22 PM

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A screenshot of the Indonesian PT PAL booth at Indonesian Ministry of Defense Exhibition 2020. Its the first time PT PAL is introducing its LPH 244 meter design to the public. Credit to PT PAL.

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Roadmap of PT PAL LPH 244 meter based from the Makassar Class LPD.

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Mai189
post May 22 2021, 12:56 PM

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Singapore to build ship similar to aircraft carrier.

https://netral.news/en/received-a-marine-ve...ft-carrier.html

Mais note: it is not an aircraft carrier. It will be a LHD and likely with the ability to embark a small number of F35s if needed. RSN has been looking at Italian and Spanish designs apart from ST Marines Endurance 170 (bigger tonnage than Dokdo). Open source indicates yet another larger Endurance class design. It is likely RSAf will eventually operate F35as and bs together with the 40+ f15sgs (midlife upgrade to f15ex) for robustness and redundancy. The 60-70 F16Vs would have been retired by then or form an inner layer of interceptors.

The 2 JMMS vessels will join RSN together with the 6 MRCV heavy frigates and 4 to 6 light frigates (for maritime security) by 2030. RSN will also receive the 4 new Invinvible class type 218sg aip equipped submarines from 2021 onwards and likely buy 2 more to form a 6-ship squadron. The first MRCV heavy frigate will be ready in 2025. Meanwhile the 6 Formidable class frigates will undergo a midife upgrade by 2025 with better sensors and weapons - particularly anti air and anti submarine.

Endurance 170 LHD:

https://www.defenseworld.net/news/26329/Dig...ow#.YKh4fmnmg0E

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Videographic on the incoming MRCV heavy frigate - first ship will be ready in 2025:



The MRCV will carry at least 2 of these 17m USVs amongst other UAVs, UUVs and a 16 ton helicopter:



These unmanned systems will further enhance the sensor range of the frigate and link up not only with the MRCV but other sensors and shooters (formidable frigates, mpas, f15sgs, f16vs, etc.). They can also carry weapons like cannons and surface to surface missiles like spike nlos or Spear 3.

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post May 22 2021, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ May 22 2021, 12:22 PM)
A screenshot of the Indonesian PT PAL booth at Indonesian Ministry of Defense Exhibition 2020. Its the first time PT PAL is introducing its LPH 244 meter design to the public. Credit to PT PAL.

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Roadmap of PT PAL LPH 244 meter based from the Makassar Class LPD.

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The Multi Role Support Ship is the one which is offered to RMN MRSS project, isnt it?
It wont be the same as TNI Makassar class.

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azriel
post May 22 2021, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(Lampuajaib @ May 22 2021, 04:39 PM)
The Multi Role Support Ship is the one which is offered to RMN MRSS project, isnt it?
It wont be the same as TNI Makassar class.
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Yes it is for the RMN MRSS project. It is based from the Makassar Class so its quite the same design but with a longer length than Indonesian Navy LPD and the specification is based on RMN requirement.

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Mai189
post May 22 2021, 06:23 PM

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ May 22 2021, 12:56 PM)
Videographic on the incoming MRCV heavy frigate - first ship will be ready in 2025:



The MRCV will carry at least 2 of these 17m USVs amongst other UAVs, UUVs and a 16 ton helicopter:



These unmanned systems will further enhance the sensor range of the frigate and link up not only with the MRCV but other sensors and shooters (formidable frigates, mpas, f15sgs, f16vs, etc.). They can also carry weapons like cannons and surface to surface missiles like spike nlos or Spear 3.
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French navy's newest AAW destroyer, the FREMM DA Alsace:



Why is this relevant? RSN's 6 Formidable class frigates will be under-going mid-life upgrades:

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The Navy’s Formidable-class Frigates, in operation since 2006, will also undergo a mid-life upgrade. This is to ensure their continued relevance and effectiveness, particularly in anti-submarine and anti-air-defence capabilities
Read more at https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/govt-...next-few-months
Mai's Note: The F16s will be replaced by F35s.

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The current Herakles radar on the Formidable will be boosted from the current range of 250km to 300km to more than >300km, similar to the one on the DA Alsace. Together with the Sea-Fire radar on the MRCV heavy frigates, these will result in 300km to 500km huge hemispherical sensor bubbles over the South China Sea and we have not factored in RSAF's AEW or AWACs with sensor range of 450km and other sensors like UAVS and fighter jets, MPAs, etc - Singapore's sensors are netted and so are her shooters or weapons. So she can see first and shoot first and shoot at max ranges accurately.

More info (2015 interview):

https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/f...rench-navy.html

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Navy Recognition (NR): How did Thales managed to increase the detection range of the Herakles ?
Thales radar expert (TRE): The increased range is obtained by:
• The increase in power (adding additional Tx modules in the transmitter bay)
• The generation of new impulses
• The creation of a new search/watch mode
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NR: Will this "boosted" HERAKLES be a limiting factor relative to the capacity of Aster 30 missiles? In other words, in case of interception, will the FREDA + Herakles + Aster 30 combination have the same capabilities as the Horizon + Smart L+ Aster 30 combination ?
TRE: The Horizon frigates are equipped with SMART-L radar and EMPAR. Aster 30 firing tests (with French and foreign navies) showed that Herakles was very effective in its current configurations.
Mai's note: In 2015, the only 2 navies which rely on the Herakles radar are the French and Singaporean navies. Aside, the upgraded Formidable will likely carry up to 24 5gen "Blue Spear" long range anti-ship/land-attack missiles, 24 Aster 30 missiles and 32 quad-packed CAMM-ER missiles amongst other weapons.

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azriel
post May 22 2021, 07:28 PM

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Nice photos by Iman Teguh Prasetyo of the Indonesian X18 Antasena Combat Boat first prototype.

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21 MAY 2021

France begins Rafale F4 flight trials

by Gareth Jennings

France has launched flight trials of the latest F4 standard of the Dassault Rafale combat aircraft, the Ministry of the Armed Forces announced on 20 May.

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Two F4-1 standard Rafale combat aircraft took part in flight trials in April, flying realistic tactical scenarios alongside other French aircraft types. (Ministry of the Armed Forces)

The tests of an F4-1 configured Rafale took place out of Istres airbase in southern France from 26 to 29 April. They were conducted under the stewardship of the Directorate General of Armament (DGA).

“Eight complex missions representing 50 aircraft sorties were carried out by test crews from the DGA, the French Navy, the French Air and Space Force, and Dassault Aviation,” the ministry said, adding the trials saw two Rafales configured to the F4-1 standard operate as part of a wider aerial component of up to eight aircraft, performing realistic tactical scenarios.

News of the commencement of flight trials came some two-and-a-half years after the Rafale F4 upgrade was formally launched. As noted by Dassault in January 2019, the F4-standard will include enhancements to the Thales RBE2 active electronic scanned array (AESA) radar, the Thales TALIOS long-range airborne targeting pod and the Reco NG reconnaissance pod; upgrades to the aircraft's communications suite; improved pilot helmet-mounted displays; a new engine control unit; and the ability to carry new weaponry such as the Mica Next-Generation (NG) air-to-air missile and 1,000 kg Sagem Armement Air-Sol Modulaire (AASM) modular air-to-ground precision weapon.


https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-det...4-flight-trials


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post May 22 2021, 07:55 PM

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Some specs on the USV that will function from the MRCV heavy frigates and Sg island:

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There will be a number of variants. In anti-surface mode, it will be equipped with Spike LR2 (range: 6km to 10km) or Spike NLOS Naval (range: 25km to 30km) like so:


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Singapore's LMVs will also carry Spike NLOS or LR2 missiles:



*Mike Yeo is a correspondent with Defencenews



Smart way to sink small boats and disable large ones. Send an anti-tank missile over!

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post May 22 2021, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ May 22 2021, 07:55 PM)
Some specs on the USV that will function from the MRCV heavy frigates and Sg island:

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There will be a number of variants. In anti-surface mode, it will be equipped with Spike LR2 (range: 6km to 10km) or Spike NLOS Naval (range: 25km to 30km) like so:
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Singapore's LMVs will also carry Spike NLOS or LR2 missiles:

*Mike Yeo is a correspondent with Defencenews



Smart way to sink small boats and disable large ones. Send an anti-tank missile over!
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Wonder if we will finally see Sg deploy its hybrid flying/underwater UAV/UUV from the MRCVs or the even the above USVs above or Invincible submarines? These small USV/UUV can carry an armed payload as well for nasty "kamikaze" sneak attacks:

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https://defense-update.com/20160216_singapo...y-and-dive.html



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SG really love Israel weaponry.. With field proven iron dome from Rafael... I guess little dot can sting really hard with their Rafael hardware

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azriel
post May 23 2021, 07:58 AM

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INDONESIA TO SIGN AN ORDER FOR 36 RAFALE

Thursday 05/20/2021 at 9:38

The contract with Indonesia for the sale of 36 Rafale to Indonesia is reportedly on track. According to La Tribune, it was signed by the Minister of Defense and is only awaiting a presidential decree.

Home straight for the signing of a new Rafale contract. According to La Tribune, Indonesia would be "very close to boarding" the French fighter plane. According to "corroborating sources", the contract would have been initialed by Prabowo Subianto, Minister of Defense, and only awaits the approval of President Joko Widodo to validate the financing of the contract.

A source even suggests that Prabowo Subianto should meet in "the coming weeks", Florence Parly, Minister of the Armed Forces to formalize the order.

If this signing materializes, it would confirm the optimism of Florence Parly. Last December, on BFM Business, the Minister of the Armed Forces mentioned this contract which would cover 36 aircraft and that it was on track. For his part, Eric Trappier, remained vague on the number of devices by speaking of 24 to 40 devices. The amount of the contract would be around 4 billion euros.

5 submarines and two corvettes

This signature, if validated by a presidential decree, would once again confirm the success of Dassault Aviation's fighter plane. The Rafale posted a score of 144 aircraft sold for export in addition to the 192 aircraft of the French armies.

The last order was signed on April 26 with Egypt and covers 30 devices. Other contracts could be signed this year. Tenders are underway with the United Arab Emirates (36 aircraft), India (110), Croatia (12), Finland (64) and Switzerland (40).

Indonesia is a regular customer of France in terms of armaments. Ranked 12th in terms of exports, the French sold it for $ 1.62 billion between 2010 and 2019. 

At the start of 2021, in addition to the Rafales, discussions began on five Scorpène submarines armed with the Exocet SM39 missile and two Gowind corvettes of 2,500 tonnes.


https://www.bfmtv.com/amp/economie/l-indone...2105200133.html

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post May 23 2021, 08:35 AM

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Australia military to stop using Israel defence system


The Australian government has informed Israel's largest private arms company, Elbit Systems, that its military will stop using its Battle Management System (BMS) from mid-June.

"The news was given to the company with no explanation as to the reasoning behind the decision, with Defence confirming that they have no interim solution to replace the capability," the Australian Defence website reports.

However, according to a report by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC), tensions between Elbit and the Australian Department of Defence had been simmering due to the Israeli company imposing "huge premiums" on the BMS because it has a monopoly on the system.

"People are getting fed up with Elbit exploiting their monopoly to impose huge premiums," one unnamed Australian officer told the ABC.

"And there are definite concerns that the Israelis are backdooring the system for information," he added.

Elbit Systems is often the target of campaigns by human rights groups. The Israeli firm produces surveillance technology for the illegal Separation Wall in the occupied West Bank and is said to manufacture the engines for 85 per cent of the country's military drones, among other weapons components.

The Israeli arms manufacturer is said to have supplied 85 per cent of the drones used in the war on Gaza in 2014, when over 2,200 Palestinians – 500 of them children – were killed in only 50 days. The Israeli arms company has ten sites across Britain.

Greater awareness of Elbit's role in human rights violations and alleged war crimes has tarnished the company's image. In February, East Sussex Pension Fund was the latest to divest from Israeli firms months after human rights activists lobbied the fund to bring an end to its ties to companies which violate international law.



https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20210505-...defence-system/

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post May 23 2021, 12:50 PM

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SG really love Israel weaponry.. With field proven iron dome from Rafael... I guess little dot can sting really hard with their Rafael hardware
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The spike missiles of which there are several variants are produced locally by Smart Systems Pte Ltd - a joint venture between Rafael and St Engineering. The spikes are produced for Singapore and Asian customers under the terms of the joint venture. That is why Sg has been packing Spikes on everything from foot soldier, Apaches, ships and USVs and IFVs e.g. Hunter NGAFV which carries the Spike LR2.

Spike LR2 (range: 5.5 to 6km - ground launched; 10km - air launched as tested on Apache attack helicopters). The longest ranged Spike is the Spike NLOS (range: 25km to 30km - ground launched; 45km to 50km - air launched as tested on Apache attack helicopters). Shooter can choose either direct or top attack.

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The 5th generation SPIKE LR 2 ATGM is designed for use from vehicles and by dismounted forces with a target spectrum including medium and heavily armoured vehicles as well as fortified positions in a range band up to 5,500 metres. The infrared seeker, with CCD camera, transmits the image from the target to the shooter via glasfibre. This allows the missile to be used in both fire-and-forget and fire-and-observe modes. In the latter case, the shooter can change the target or abort the engagement after firing. Additionally, the engagement can be started without the shooter seeing the target when firing. In the final phase, the shooter can choose the angle of attack: direct or top attack.


https://euro-sd.com/2021/03/articles/exclus...mark-spike-lr2/

https://www.eurospike.com/spike_lr.html

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Australia military to stop using Israel defence system
The Australian government has informed Israel's largest private arms company, Elbit Systems, that its military will stop using its Battle Management System (BMS) from mid-June.

"The news was given to the company with no explanation as to the reasoning behind the decision, with Defence confirming that they have no interim solution to replace the capability," the Australian Defence website reports.

However, according to a report by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC), tensions between Elbit and the Australian Department of Defence had been simmering due to the Israeli company imposing "huge premiums" on the BMS because it has a monopoly on the system.

"People are getting fed up with Elbit exploiting their monopoly to impose huge premiums," one unnamed Australian officer told the ABC.

"And there are definite concerns that the Israelis are backdooring the system for information," he added.

Elbit Systems is often the target of campaigns by human rights groups. The Israeli firm produces surveillance technology for the illegal Separation Wall in the occupied West Bank and is said to manufacture the engines for 85 per cent of the country's military drones, among other weapons components.

The Israeli arms manufacturer is said to have supplied 85 per cent of the drones used in the war on Gaza in 2014, when over 2,200 Palestinians – 500 of them children – were killed in only 50 days. The Israeli arms company has ten sites across Britain.

Greater awareness of Elbit's role in human rights violations and alleged war crimes has tarnished the company's image. In February, East Sussex Pension Fund was the latest to divest from Israeli firms months after human rights activists lobbied the fund to bring an end to its ties to companies which violate international law.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20210505-...defence-system/
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Nothing new. If you use say an american system, theyll know what youll be up 2.

Do you know which countrys intelligence has been most active in SEA? A friend downunder...
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Indonesia will build defense equipment from abroad

Minister of Defense Prabowo Subianto emphasized that the procurement of defense equipment will contain local content and technology transfer

Erric Permana | 21.05.2021

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Tiger medium tank, the result of cooperation between Indonesian and Turkish defense companies. (Anton Raharjo - Anadolu Agency)

JAKARTA

The Indonesian government ensures that the procurement of the main weaponry system (alutsista) from abroad will later be built domestically.

Indonesian Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto said the cooperation in the procurement of defense equipment would later benefit Indonesia by applying terms of cooperation in the form of trade returns, local content and technology transfer.

In the plenary meeting of the Defense Industry Policy Committee (KKIP) which was held on Thursday, Prabowo, who also serves as the Daily Chair of the KKIP, stated that the development of defense equipment in the country and the obligation to contain local content towards Indonesia's defense independence.

"The defense spending paradigm must be turned into a defense investment," Prabowo explained in an official statement from the Ministry of Defense released on Friday.

"This is with a strategy of approximately 40 percent in procurement, which must be spent domestically," he added.

The Minister of Defense also assessed the need for a long-term Strategic Plan (Renstra), so that it could become a reference for building defense industry independence.

Previously, cooperation in procuring defense equipment from abroad which resulted in domestic development, including the manufacture of Tiger Tanks with Turkey and the manufacture of Changbogo-class submarines with South Korea Alugoro-405.

Meanwhile, in the procurement plan for the next few years, Indonesia will buy dozens of planes and submarines.

In the 2021 TNI Leadership Meeting document received by Anadolu Agency, Indonesia plans to buy 36 Rafale aircraft and 8 F-15 EX aircraft.


https://www.aa.com.tr/id/nasional/indonesia...negeri-/2249857
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The Cockerill 3030 Turret is a modular turret that can be fitted with either atgm or rockets.

Rockets variant:

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ATGM variant:

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https://fz.be/cockerill-3030


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post May 24 2021, 01:05 PM

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Probably the best image of Sgs Blue Spear missile thus far:

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Sg and Israels IAI have been developing a new 5gen SSM based on the Gabriel 5 called Blue Spear to replace their Harpoon missiles. Sg and Israel set up the 50/50 joint venture company, Proteus Systems, to market the missile to Asian customers.Sg will produce the war-head, rocket engine, parts of the missile body amongst others whilst Israel will produce the guidance systems. Sg and israel will assemble the missile in their respective countries so it is domestically produced.

https://www.israeldefense.co.il/en/node/44158

As can be seen from the photo above, the evolved Gabriel 5 or Blue Spear has more strakes (reminds me of the python missile)and sensors/guidance systems (not just front) on the side of the missile body. This likely confers high maneuverability in tight spaces unseen in an anti-ship missile, and of great benefit in littoral environments e.g. SEA where there are thousands of merchant ships at any point of time.

Gabriel 5 has a range of 200km to 400km.

Compare the baseline Gabriel 5 to the one above:

https://defense-update.com/20180706_ssm2020.html

Missile specs:
Seeker: Active radar seeker with advanced anti-jam features, all-weather capability, wide search range and good discrimination resolution
Warhead: Penetrating warhead
Engine: Jet engine
Navigation: GPS / INS, multiple waypoints
Length: 5.5 m
Weight: 1250 kg
Speed: Subsonic

The missile is much larger and heavier than harpoons - apart from the longer range, it is expected to carry a larger warhead i.e. sink carriers with dual function of land attack.


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QUOTE(Mai189 @ May 24 2021, 01:05 PM)
Probably the best image of Sgs Blue Spear missile thus far:

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Sg and Israels IAI have been developing a new 5gen SSM based on the Gabriel 5 called Blue Spear to replace their Harpoon missiles. Sg and Israel set up the 50/50 joint venture company, Proteus Systems, to market the missile to Asian customers.Sg will produce the war-head, rocket engine, parts of the missile body amongst others whilst Israel will produce the guidance systems. Sg and israel will assemble the missile in their respective countries so it is domestically produced.

https://www.israeldefense.co.il/en/node/44158

As can be seen from the photo above, the evolved Gabriel 5 or Blue Spear has more strakes (reminds me of the python missile)and sensors/guidance systems (not just front) on the side of the missile body. This likely confers high maneuverability in tight spaces unseen in an anti-ship missile, and of great benefit in littoral environments e.g. SEA where there are thousands of merchant ships at any point of time.

Gabriel 5 has a range of 200km to 400km.

Compare the baseline Gabriel 5 to the one above:

https://defense-update.com/20180706_ssm2020.html

Missile specs:
Seeker: Active radar seeker with advanced anti-jam features, all-weather capability, wide search range and good discrimination resolution
Warhead: Penetrating warhead
Engine: Jet engine
Navigation: GPS / INS, multiple waypoints
Length: 5.5 m
Weight: 1250 kg
Speed: Subsonic

The missile is much larger and heavier than harpoons - apart from the longer range, it is expected to carry a larger warhead i.e. sink carriers with dual function of land attack.
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Israel/Sg Blue Spear=Finnish SSM2020=UKs Sea serpent

The same missile is being offered to the UK to replace its harpoons:

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/israeli-fir...urface-missile/

In the Finnish navy competition the missile beat even the RBS 15 MK4 Gungnir and latest variants of harpoons and exocet missiles.

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Note: 1) It is marketed as being both an anti-ship and land attack missile. So it suitably fills a niche for navies which want both an anti-ship missile and land attack missile w4 resorting to something like a tomahawk missile which can be an overkill for their needs. 2) It is probably the first western SSM with an Aesa sensor (almost impossible to jam) and with a high end AI. 3) 5gen generally because it is a missile to be used in cooperative engagements - for network centric armed forces. 4) Currently, the largest bona fide western anti ship SSM given its size. 5) A ship like the Formidable can carry up to 24 Blue Spear missiles as deck space mountings approximates with that of current harpoon missile launchers.

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