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ayanami_tard
post Sep 20 2021, 03:40 PM

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thing is, our gowind is just not big enough for guided missile type duty. If we look at other area air defence ship, they are usually destroyer-sized ship, usually double the displacement of our LCS. Just look at Type 45 or any of the Aegis-capable ships. I do agree that gowind is pretty under equipped but to suggest that gowind could become our DDG is just stupid

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post Sep 20 2021, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Sep 20 2021, 03:28 PM)
aku kasi cadangan je
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haha
betul la tu cadangan
aku rasa baik tunggu Harpers Ferry class nak retired 2 jibik nanti
lagi ideal
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post Sep 20 2021, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Sep 20 2021, 03:16 PM)
US nak bagi Oliver Hazard Perry dulu pun kita dah tolak
ni pulak lagi besar

memang tak la kot!
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Ada karpal percuma kenapa x nak?
Refurbish also cheaper.
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post Sep 20 2021, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(Izzet @ Sep 20 2021, 03:54 PM)
Ada karpal percuma kenapa x nak?
Refurbish also cheaper.
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byk je benda yg unker sam bagi free. ada yg kita ambik, ada yg kita tolak


ayanami_tard
post Sep 20 2021, 04:02 PM

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yup. Our MPA upgrade is sponsored by daddy america. Same goes to our new long range radar
darth5zaft
post Sep 20 2021, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(alexz23 @ Sep 20 2021, 09:10 AM)
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Making hard decisions is never easy. But decisions need to be made over 2 years ago, and it was not done!

If BNS used 1 billion to payoff debts, then push BNS to give deals that is advantageous to TLDM, say okay we cannot do anything for this 6 ships, but if you want the additional money to proceed, you must sign a contract for ship 7 & 8 that is nearly at cost, to repay the 1 billion you use to pay off debt. Its something that can be done right??

Deciding to cancel some ships then, would mean another type of ship could already be built by now, with equipments bought transferred to the new design ship.

Deciding to move forward then, would still need additional money to be put into the project, but substantially less than what was needed now, and we could have our gowinds operational by now.

Whatever it is, he did not decide on anything. He did not do his job as a Menhan. Because he did not decide on anything for the gowind project, is one of the major causes that zero gowinds has been completed to date.
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Seem like the gov would be paying off BNS debt afterall. Sabri Said before that gov would acquired the LCS IP & design. (Thought the original cost of IP & design already included in the OG purchase price anyway).

If not mistaken the original idea is to build the 1st 6 as ASW varient, then keep increasing the size to AAW & so on. Very similar to JDF mogami class. As it is nowdays, probably more popular & cheaper to just bought the type 31 as the AAW varient.

Doubt the gov would want to pay more to increase the capabilities of LCS, at least for now. As it is the 1st 2 are mostly completed as long as RMN are ok with setis. I say 50:50 on the mica, the likelihood that the LCS not equipped or reduction in numbers with AAW missiles is kinda high, as it's one of few place where.they can cut cost.


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post Sep 20 2021, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Sep 20 2021, 03:53 PM)
haha
betul la tu cadangan
aku rasa baik tunggu Harpers Ferry class nak retired 2 jibik nanti
lagi ideal
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Kalau tak nak kapal tapi nak missiles Aje boleh ke? smile.gif

Kalau Amek kapal tua, x mampu buat maintainece,
Kalau buat kapal baru x mampu beli missiles.
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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Sep 20 2021, 04:07 PM)
Kalau tak nak kapal tapi nak missiles Aje boleh ke? smile.gif

Kalau Amek kapal tua, x mampu buat maintainece,
Kalau buat kapal baru x mampu beli missiles.
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Harpers Ferry tu MRSS
sah2 la kita nak body hahaha
Raddus
post Sep 20 2021, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Sep 20 2021, 03:40 PM)
thing is, our gowind is just not big enough for guided missile type duty. If we look at other  area air defence ship, they are usually destroyer-sized ship, usually double the displacement of our LCS. Just look at Type 45 or any of the Aegis-capable ships. I do agree that gowind is pretty under equipped but to suggest that gowind could become our DDG is just stupid
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The largest can consider may be the FREMM no need for those large agis DDG

Btw Indonesia serious on FREMM frigate/destroyer?
ayanami_tard
post Sep 20 2021, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(Raddus @ Sep 20 2021, 05:25 PM)
The largest can consider may be the FREMM no need for those large agis DDG

Btw Indonesia serious on FREMM frigate/destroyer?
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ntah la. diorang ni kekadang sembang kari pun lebat gak.
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Sep 20 2021, 04:16 PM)
Harpers Ferry tu MRSS
sah2 la kita nak body hahaha
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X kalau kapal lain.
Mintak missiles je boleh ke?
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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Sep 20 2021, 04:40 PM)
X kalau kapal lain.
Mintak missiles je boleh ke?
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pastu dia bagi misil je
firing radar, launcher, warhead semua tak bagi brows.gif


jangan marah aa bang
guro2 je
darth5zaft
post Sep 20 2021, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Sep 20 2021, 04:42 PM)
pastu dia bagi misil je
firing radar, launcher, warhead semua tak bagi  brows.gif
jangan marah aa bang
guro2 je
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Betul jugak brows.gif

Boleh letak atas lori hari merdeka Aje lah MCM gitew yerk.
ayanami_tard
post Sep 20 2021, 04:53 PM

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pic below is Malaysian made LST, made by sarawak's shin yang shipbuilding for UAE navy (they ordered 3 and shin yang already delivered with the third ship otw) So if simply lst (or even small lpd) boleh je local shipbuilder buat

user posted image

pastu tetiba ada pulak pihak nk sailang shin yang...😂😂

user posted image
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post Sep 20 2021, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(Raddus @ Sep 20 2021, 04:25 PM)
The largest can consider may be the FREMM no need for those large agis DDG

Btw Indonesia serious on FREMM frigate/destroyer?
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how to consider FREMM when fulus enggak ada even to complete those gowinds?

FREMM costs about 1 billion dollars each.

Indonesia has signed the preamble contract for 6 FREMM, but lets see if the payments are done.


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post Sep 20 2021, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Sep 20 2021, 03:40 PM)
thing is, our gowind is just not big enough for guided missile type duty. If we look at other  area air defence ship, they are usually destroyer-sized ship, usually double the displacement of our LCS. Just look at Type 45 or any of the Aegis-capable ships. I do agree that gowind is pretty under equipped but to suggest that gowind could become our DDG is just stupid
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The Gowind was a modular design Corvette ORIGINALLY displaced:. It is too light to be a frigate.

1) 1000 tons OR
2) 2500 tons

Egypt use modular Gowind 2500 tons. In total Egypt already launch 2 Gowind 2500 tons corvettes . 1st Built in Naval Group in 2017, 2nd unit produced by local Egyption
yard launch in 2019

UAE in 2019 also signed contract to purchase two Gowind 2500 tons from Naval Grouo. One has been delivwred on service.

Malaysia signed contract for 6 Gowind 3100 tons corvettes since 2014.

When you try to change the design by increase the tonnage by 600 tons (2500 original tonnage to 3100 tonnage) and the length by 9 metres (from 102 metres to 111 metres) BUT your armament are still same as Gowind 2500, you are just getting Naval Group to put on a new design and you have to buy the design so call blue print. And you not even try to built one in Naval Group but can kow tim built all here. And you screw up the 6 corvettes

😁😁





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post Sep 20 2021, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(jwst1313 @ Sep 20 2021, 04:59 PM)
The Gowind was a modular design  Corvette ORIGINALLY displaced:. It is too light to be a frigate.

1) 1000 tons  OR
2) 2500 tons

Egypt use modular Gowind 2500 tons. In total Egypt already launch 2 Gowind 2500 tons corvettes . 1st Built in Naval Group in 2017, 2nd unit produced by local Egyption
yard launch in 2019

UAE in 2019 also signed contract to purchase two Gowind 2500 tons from Naval Grouo. One has been delivwred on service.

Malaysia signed contract for 6 Gowind 3100 tons corvettes since 2014.

When you try to change the design by increase the tonnage by 600 tons (2500 original tonnage to 3100 tonnage) and the length  by 9 metres (from 102 metres to 111 metres) BUT your armament are still same as Gowind 2500, you are just getting Naval Group to put on a new design and you have to buy the design so call blue print. And you not even try to built one in Naval Group but can kow tim built all here. And you screw up the 6 corvettes

😁😁
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So malaysia buy myvi design trying to turn it into suv


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post Sep 20 2021, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Sep 20 2021, 04:02 PM)
Seem like the gov would be paying off BNS debt afterall. Sabri Said before that gov would acquired the LCS IP & design. (Thought the original cost of IP & design already included in the OG purchase price anyway).

If not mistaken the original idea is to build the 1st 6 as ASW varient, then keep increasing the size to AAW & so on. Very similar to JDF mogami class. As it is nowdays, probably more popular & cheaper to just bought the type 31 as the AAW varient.

Doubt the gov would want to pay more to increase the capabilities of LCS, at least for now. As it is the 1st 2 are mostly completed as long as RMN are ok with setis. I say 50:50 on the mica, the likelihood that the LCS not equipped or reduction in numbers with AAW missiles is kinda high, as it's one of few place where.they can cut cost.
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The gowind design cannot be increased in size bigger than the Maharajalela. Which is why Naval Group created the new Belharra as a bigger frigate than the gowind.

Why talk about increasing capabilities of the gowind? Right now the most important thing is to make sure all the gowinds have all the capabilities as per contract, no reduction in any weaponry or equipment.

The government would acquire the IP means the IP would be transferred from BNS to kerajaan. So next time government can theoretically ask, say MMHE to build more gowinds as the IP is owned by the government.
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post Sep 20 2021, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(Raddus @ Sep 20 2021, 05:02 PM)
So malaysia buy myvi design trying to turn it into suv
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You tak tahu ke Alza tu is actually elongated Myvi? Perodua also buat no problem.



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post Sep 20 2021, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(alexz23 @ Sep 20 2021, 05:07 PM)
You tak tahu ke Alza tu is actually elongated Myvi? Perodua also buat no problem.
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Yeah problem is with alza, can fit 7 ppl but need another car to carry luggage
Our gowind size increase but is it any better than the Egyptian?

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