Jack-jack till now still cant control the leaking thingy, but its alot better from last time, leaking all over the floor, till now, only a few drips when he's really really excited.
he'll leak when he sees strangers, den the strangers plays with him.

FAtHamster pic at peke thread.

My Abby sometimes pee in her sleep. Wonder if any of you guys have this problem with your furkids or not.

She never have this problem before until after spaying her but luckily not all the time though. I notice that she tends to pee during sleep if that night is particularly cold/rainy night.

Anyone encounter this before? Abby never leaks if she's excited or anything, usually only when she's asleep. (>_<)

ha?? pee in the dream? wonder wat is abby dreaming.......


found this pic funny, haha.........

it is often known as submissive urinating
. Believe it or not, this is not a housetraining problem. It has to do with some normal canine behavior patterns that you can and should deal with in a positive way.

Dogs are instinctively programmed to accept the authority of creatures (animal and human) that they consider to be superior to them. They seek the approval of their superiors and are eager to please them. Many dog owners prefer a dog who is submissive to people and eager to please, and selective breeding has produced many domestic dogs with this characteristic.

Some dogs are more submissive than others. Very submissive dogs, shy dogs that lack self-confidence and often young pups will urinate when in the presence of more dominant dogs and humans. It's their instinctive way of telling the superior "You are my Supreme Master. Your wish is my command. Please don't hurt me!"

Puppies usually outgrow this behavior as they mature. Dogs who are naturally shy, insecure, extremely submissive, or who have been abused may continue to exhibit submission in this way even as adults. It is generally an involuntary, subconscious reflex. The dog isn't deliberately trying to do it. As a matter of fact, he may not even be aware that he's doing it at the time!

Many dog owners mistakenly believe that this type of urination is a housetraining problem, and try to correct it with discipline. To their dismay and frustration, rather than improving, the dog's problem gets worse! Because the message he's sending is misunderstood by the owner, the dog is caught in a vicious cycle - his instincts tell him to urinate to please his superior by showing submission. But when he does, he is punished. He then tries harder to please by urinating even more. This results in more punishment, and still more urination. After a time, the dog may become so confused and insecure that he urinates at the mere sight of a human being or another dog.

If discipline won't solve the problem, what will? Your task is to take the excitement and stress out of the periods that previously triggered submissive urination. Get cooperation from all members of the family. When you first get home, you can anticipate that the dog will get excited and urinate so you need to minimize the excitement. Instead of an enthusiastic greeting to your dog, quietly walk in the door and go about your business. Let him outside to pee as usual, but without any fanfare. If you talk to him at all, just say "Hi Rover" in a calm, casual tone of voice. Don't make eye contact with him or pet him. After he settles down, very gently crouch down to his level presenting to him sideways (this makes you very non-threatening), then calmly and quietly praise him and tell him he's good. Be sure to tell your family and visitors to do the same.

Do everything you can to boost your dog's confidence. As he becomes more confident, he may feel less of a need to display extreme submissive behavior:


Positive reinforcement obedience training does wonders for a dog's confidence! An untrained dog is doesn't know how to communicate with humans or how to behave, but the trained dog understands what's expected of him, and the words you say to him. He's confident because he has the tools with which to please his superiors.

Socialization at training classes, dog daycare, at the park, or just going with you on errands and to visit friends can do wonders for your dog's confidence. Have guests over who are willing to help out with this problem.

Agility training is another wonderfully fun way to boost your dog's confidence using physical obstacles and mental stimulation as well as new human words to understand and obey.

Incorporate basic obedience (Sit, Stay, Fetch, Come, etc.) into your daily life and when your dog obeys, he gains confidence through your praise. Just don't overdo the praise (this can result in a puddle!). A simple "Good boy" and gentle pat is enough.

Minimize the occasions your dog makes you want to scold him; think about what your dog does that causes you to scold him. For example, does he get into the trash, steal your children's toys or chew on your sneakers? By simply putting a lid on the trash can or putting it into a closet and requiring your family to pick up after themselves, these situations can be eliminated. The easier you make it for your dog to do what you want, the quicker he'll learn and his confidence will grown. On the other hand, discipline, scolding and physical punishment will simply reduce his confidence and worsen your submissive urination problem.

Dogs, especially shy or submissive ones, are very sensitive to body language and tone of voice. Bending over a dog is a "dominant" posture that may provoke an accident. Instead, get down to your dog's level by crouching or kneeling, preferably at his side rather than head-on.

These dogs are often intimidated by direct eye contact as well. Look at your dog's face without looking directly into his eyes, and only for very short periods.

If you are expecting guests, take your dog for a walk and get his bladder emptied ahead of time, and restrict water consumption for an hour before your guests are to arrive.

When speaking to your dog, use a calm, confident, moderate tone of voice. Avoid very high or low extremes in pitch. Don't "coochy-coo" or babytalk to your dog either. These tones can create excitement that results in submissive urination.
Don't scold or punish your dog for urinating submissively. It will only make things worse. He can't be held responsible for something he doesn't understand or even know he's doing. Instead, use these methods to get to the root of the matter: His basic insecurity and lack of confidence. When he's made progress in these areas, submissive urination often disappears on its own. How long will it take? Every dog is different and it's impossible to say for sure. With most dogs, following our directions will show a noticeable difference within a short time. Solving the problem altogether depends on your hard work, patience, consistency and willingness to stick with it. Good luck!

Can i ask if i can give my pup drink barley water with ginko? Not outside de, I boil myself. If can, Sweetened or unsweetened?

Why so hamsap one the pic? But I think it's because she can't control her bladder gua. Just would like to know if anyone else's furkids having this problem.

nairud and hun,
Thanks for those informative post! I appreciate it. I will try the steps stated in your post. Hope it helps with Moonie's submissive urination. I dont have any idea why she is behaving like this with my gf. My gf has been busy the past month and hardly come over. Come over also help out in the kitchen, barely have time to play with Casper / Moonie. There is like very minimal interaction between my gf and Moonie but yet this happens with her not anyone else at home. Strange indeed.

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While I am google-ing for more submissive urination information from my workplace, my sister SMSed me something more shocking!!

For the first time, my sister who is on school holiday, playing the PSP downstairs with Casper and Moonie loose around the house, saw Casper going to the pillow in his cage and HUMP IT!! A few times, like 3 - 4 times and when my sister notice and went to stop him, he errr... ejaculated?

His pillow was dirty so my sister took to wash and my sister SMSed me saying "Kor, I think Casper just fxxk his pillow..." I pengsan! How do I stop him from humping?! I have no idea where he learnt it!!! I already take up his pillow, not going to give him pillow anymore.

I asked my sister why didnt stop him, she said she didnt noticed at first but when she did, he had stopped and the pillow is dirtied. Omg!!! Two days ago, my sister tell me Casper ding-dong is like bengkak, today he is humping. I am shocked!!

What can I do to prevent this from happening again? I dont want him to be hamsap. I am going to take away his pillow so he has nothing to hump. I do expect them to mate in the future so I can have a house of Westies but NOT NOW!?

This post has been edited by Pennywise: Nov 5 2007, 07:12 PM

OMG! MUahahaha! I was laughing when reading.

hahaahha...thank goodness moonie is still young and is not ready to concieve yet..
or else pennywise would definately have a handful

Casper become horny coz Moonie is around, haha.............
i think just stop them when casper starts to hump loh. Tell him cannot do that, then again repeat and repeat gua.........

First, buy Moonie.
Then, Moonie is sick - possibly distemper and mange
Then, Moonie has submissive urination to my gf
Now, Casper the humping dog

I pengsan! I will keep a closer eye on him and stop him from doing it every time he does it. Now take up the pillow liao, he got nothing to hump.

hahaha...
well better be careful when moonie starts to get heat coz Casper is probably gonna go crazy all over moonie right?
i think thats gonna be a scene

once i saw a puppy got raped by another puppy in pets wonderland...there were barely 5 months old and the male one was hunping and raping on the female one...and the female 1 lagi "cham" coz she was trying to get away from the male 1 and she was dragging and dragging herself all over the floor while being humped...

I seen min pins puppies start humping as early as 3 months old!

hhahahaha...
so young ler...really dunno how in the world did they grow so fast de wor...how did they get to learn humping at such an ear ly age o

really pity that little female pug la...sadly the caretaker of the dog oso did nothing to stop the male one ler...

siu kat humps pillows too when he was young, but he has never humped siu wan Usually he kena belasah by her when he tries

ur Siu Wan scary..

chia charbor. LoL!

Wah liao, this is very poor thing wor - really like a rape scene for humans liao. They pet shop shd just separate them then!! I saw once also but not rape, one MS eat shit, another didnt eat but the one that ate the shit, came to the clean MS and cough out at it. Both also same same dirty... Pet shops shd store the pets in different cubicles to avoid all these minor problems.

3 months? This one dunno eat what everyday, kibbles or <removed>?

Yea, I dont even know how the heck my Casper learn how to hump. I am shocked, my sister also shocked because my sister is those kwai kwai dunno these kind of thing wan - sekali see this, shocked liao.

Same, Moonie is also very fierce. Casper is scaredy-cat. When Moonie is angry, she will bark and bang into Casper with her head, very funny one. Like bull and matador like that but then she is small size now, so Casper can topple her over easily. Especially when she also like belly rub wan, so she topple on her own will soemtimes.

wah really ....3 month old min pins know how 2 hump...alr...