I dunno... I hope not la because the last time we went for tracking in the hills oso like that. But ever since I fed Casper Acana, normal walk around the padang also come out this color. At home, if potty on the newspaper, wont be this color. So i'm a little confused myself. Need to monitor him a while more. Next going to change to California Natural or Canidae.

Yeaaa... I agree with what ALaN- wrote, bring your shih tzu out more often, dont let him stay in until lazy, all fats, heart works harder, die faster - something like human la, if fat like dunno wat, ur heart rate is higher, ur heart work more, ur life is shorter (theoritically la). Bottomline, exercise is good.

Wont pengsan wan, I think your dog got more energy then you la... Dowan to show off oni, give you face. Dont run la, try to walk lor... walk is good, dont run cause he has to catch up, somemore the neck is leashed.

How heavy is meeko oh? Casper is about 7.5kg - 8kg not sure cause he wont stand still on the scale.

I dont really exercise a lot, I bring casper out much more lately for the past 3 - 4 weeks. Almost every morning walk at 6.45am - 7.30am. Evening walk also 7 - 8pm like that. Today is hill terran walk, 1 hour. There are times, I bring him out for walks around midnight. Sometimes I scared he dont get enough sleep as terriers should get 12 hrs of sleep, somewhere I read - and he lives at the living room with his cage / play pen, so he is always disturbed sleep because ppl come home and go out.

Next year move house must let him sleep elsewhere liao... Make sure he get his 12 hr sleep.

Hahahahaha... same here, Casper will flop on the floor also when he come back, like the whole leg cannot liao. But while outside, as long as I'm still walking, he would too and I'm slow, bit overweight now so I need to workout. Need to burn all my extra fats, get my little westie to accompany me - see who die first. Hahahahah... My casper also will try if I breath pepper on his nose whenever I come back from makan. He will sneeze sneeze, cover his face with his paws and give you that "YOU BULLY ME!" look.

When your max is hyperactive, do you do something about it? My friend's MS runs like an antelope, damn fast and bouncy wan... If bring out, go crazy, my fren tug the leash also no response - hentam run only... Should try it to a chariot to tarik us!

I think is nibble only kuaaa... got bite ke? Memang is cannot control themselves wan because dog's mouth is their communicator, like our hands la. Our hands are used to prepare their food, shower them, bring them walk, carry them, sayang them. Same la, their mouth is to show love also wan... like when puppy time, use mouth to nibble for milk, nibble their bro and sis, mom would nibble them back.

Some ppl cannot accept this, so they train the dog that using mouth is unacceptable. I used to be like that until I read somewhere on the internet that nibbling with their mouth is the only way for them to express themselves, then ok laa.. If not how worr? Expect that paws to sayang our skin meh? If kuat sikit, will become scratch, then we will say they attack us...

For me, I let Casper nibble, he doesnt bite - I believe that's the way they show affection and sometimes nibble ur toes when we play, got carried away liao ma... We just have to catch him and calm him down - that's all.

Wow, you must have a big house then!! I live in double storey terrace only, so there isnt much space for Casper to run. Next year shifting, so will design more space for him, backyard or something.

Wah liao, if big dog sure your sofa koyak la. Today only I realized Casper can climb the sofa - never thought he could but my sister told me that she didnt permit Casper to climb the sofa as there's where we usually put our clothes after keeping it in from drying.

I dont let Casper run out to the grass at my house cause too dirty liao, some times muddy and then it's troublesome to wash his paw every time. So, he run from living hall to our extended kitchen instead. He will usually have a lot of energy in the morning that he would run on his own back and forth very quickly for a few rounds before he grows tired.

Yes, next year moving to bungalow. One side of the house has doors from the dining hall, another side has doors from the downstairs room. I wish to playpen fence up both sides of the door and leave the backyard to them to play in.

I may be getting a Westie from Mr. Chan, not Mr. Gan.

I dunno leh, I will give him a call tomorrow. His westie is a bit more compact compared to Casper. I have decided on the name Cassie! Now waiting for a suitable pup. According to the last conversation I had with him, he said he only bringing a male and a female back so I dont have option to choose - is whether TAKE or DONT TAKE. I kinda feel he like pressuring me into it so I may not buy from him at all as my another friend, breeder in Klang also said his Westie just 'tie' a few days ago and should be able to have a litter in 4 months (2 months pregnant, 2 months weening).



This one is idiot versus idiot liao. RM5k for a GR... Show quality? Aiyah... if not like active dog show competition, need or not, show dog. Normal GR not dog meh?

Hahaha... nvm is ok de, Mr. Chan is the name.

So your compound is cement up liao wan la? Mine is half grass, half cement and some times we park two cars inside, so run over the grass and cement, will be very messy and muddy sight. Like you said lor, white Casper become black!!

Yes, I am trying to get a big space for them but worry my parents kill me. Somemore worry about my new neighbours, may not like dogs and if they like black-heart throw a few pieces of chocolate into my yard oni, my dog will die!!

Yea, I might not because at first, when he didnt know me, he wanted to charge me RM2.5k... then later, when he know me liao (family fren), he oso like no give face on discount or anything like that... Before, he said WHOLE litter, now he said only 2, one male and one female... Bugger, if like pressuring, sure i ask him fly-kite. But before all that I need to see his female westie first... if adorable and healthy, i'll get! Because I cannot live with the guilt of my Casper living at home alone!~!!

To breed or not is a matter in 2 yrs in the future, that one I havent decide but getting him a wife is a definitely yes now. I know many will against my idea as breeding and etc need serious commitment. I can say I have them and I will be even more stabilize and mature in 2 yrs down the road! So, I will proceed with my plan oni... Sorry if my actions sound like selfish to everyone.

Anyway, that's all for tonight - nice to chat with u guyz again. Goodnightz

You guys wanna see that ah, go Bangkok.. plenty for you to see... You know those lorry carry chicken in a crate in Malaysia? There in Bangkok, most dogs are carried in those chicken crate alike and one disease will be passed onto another and in the end, the whole lorry is carrying diseased dogs.

This is why ppl advise us never to buy from Thailand.

My fren's gf (going to be wife in Nov) is a thai who works in a pet store owned by her uncle. You can get a Pug with cert for RM100 at the evening (end of the day) before the new stock arrives the next day.

I think cause its too many and then most of it has disease. Yea, my fren getting married - not me.


Hahahaha... somewhere in the world, its like this lor. Just like how West Highland Terriers are rare in Malaysia. My friend got home from his holiday in Scotland, tell me Westie there is like pariah - every where in the street, coffee shop, house, fence, garden, beach also got westies... Hahahaha...

Well, some ppl just wanna make quick money la. Any dogs from Thailand are not advisable to buy as most of them has rabbies and a lot of them are stored in the truck and transported around, some of them die along the way and then those germs and bacteria gets transferred from one to another lor.

Hahahaha... yea, lets not see with our eyes, sure heart pain like dunno what later. But memang they catch dog is like dunno damn cruel wan, just grab by the head and throw into the cage. Yes, THROW!! It's cheap la there but then many contracted with disease, dont live long wan.

Guys and gals,
Can ask you guys something? Those ham we buy from Tesco / Giant, without cook, doggy can eat as treat or not?

Usually, when I bring Casper out, none of the treats work - so I want a POWERFUL treat to reward him because I am going to teach him "Go Potty!" on command! I know it's quite hard to do, so I need a super worthy treat for him and I think the ham smells quite power also.

The reason why I choose ham here is because it's readily available in Tesco, relatively cheap (not-so-actually) and dont have to cook / prepare.

If you have other treats suggestion - please share.

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Added on October 2, 2007, 5:10 pmTeach your doggy to go potty on command:
Imagine this. Your dog goes potty on your command. I mean, your dog does his business instantly-the moment you ask him to. This might be the most useful thing you can teach your dog.

If you happen to live someplace where the winters are really cold (like I do), think about days like this: It's 10 below, the wind slams you in the face so hard it feels like you're being pounded by a polar bear, the snow is knee deep so you can barely stand, let alone walk, and now it's time to take the dog out. Here's your choice: Do you want to wait 10 minutes for shivering Fido to do his business, or would you rather have him go faster than you can make instant hot chocolate?

Of course, there are exceptions. Some dogs, notably crazy Malamutes, Siberian Huskies, and other arctic breeds, delight in the winter weather However, you'll still be doing even those dogs a favor, since most don't like standing in the rain.

It's surprisingly easy to teach potty-on-command to puppies, but adult dogs can learn too. Stuff your pocket with a few pieces of hot dog or lunch meat. We need the heavy artillery treats for this one to really work. Take your dog out to do his business on-leash. As your dog is actually doing it, in the most excited voice you can possibly muster, say "Go potty!" Repeat "Go potty!" over and over as your dog is going to the bathroom. Just as he finishes going, offer that amazing treat from your pocket. Don't use this special treat for any other purpose except to train your pooch to potty on command. Now, tell him what a good boy he is. Remember, enthusiasm is as important as the lunch meat.

There's one more step in this process. Play with your pooch when he finishes the treat. The play session can last as short as a minute or as long as you have time for.

After about a week of repeating the same potty program, become a tad more active. Just a split second before your dog is about to piddle (this requires careful observation), pre-empt him by saying "Go potty!" The truth is he was about to go anyway, but you're on you're way to convincing him that it was all your idea. What's more, for following your instructions you he receives the most amazing treat. Again, follow up with lots of lively praise and a game.

For this next step, timing is crucial. Anticipate, so that just before you're certain your dog will do his business, confidently command "Go potty." If your dog proceeds to do what he's supposed to, hooray -- you're on your way.

From this point on, puppies actually catch on faster, but adult dogs will get the idea too. Each time your dog goes outside, wait less and less time before saying "Go potty!" If your dog isn't 'getting it,' and doesn't potty on your "command," repeat the words "Go potty" over and over again until he does go.

Eventually, you'll be able to let your dog out in your enclosed yard without a leash; all you'll have to do is say "Go potty," and he'll promptly oblige. When your dog does go on your command, continue offering that really great treat until you're sure he understands the recipe for instant potty.

This process isn't as tedious as it sounds. It won't take you long to figure out if it's worth the bother. Remember when your dog spent 20 minutes sniffing the ground while you were running late for work? I can't promise you won't be late for work again. But I can promise you won't be able to blame the dog,

A final note: This technique is about urinating on command. The same training technique is used to teach dogs to defecate on command, but that's a trickier issue. You certainly can speed many pokey dogs up, but when nature's just not calling there's not much a command is going to do.

This post has been edited by Pennywise: Oct 2 2007, 05:10 PM

Sounds confusing meh?

Walk, command, treat, game, repeat only wor.

Yea, I think it's good to train them to potty / pee on command cause sometimes we are rushing and may not have the time to usher them and some more want to leave them at home without crate, scared they simply whack. Hence, I decided to try this training.

Pork can give skin problems meh? No idea wor, as I know there are some dog kibbles in the market used pork meat also which I thought was good at first until you wrote the above. Is it bad for your dog like allergy or it applies to all doggies? Can verify please?

Yea, the thing is I dont boil chicken. I want something which I dont have to go through the hassle to cook. Besides, those boneless chicken meat which you buy from Tesco / Jusco will only last what? 3 days before expire? I need something that can span a week like these ham things so that every time train him, got leftover can keep until weekend to go restock.

Hahaha... then this training wont be helpful for you la. I think it will help me a lot though. Sometimes, I walk my dog one hour liao, nature tarak call, tarak pee... come home, whack on the newspaper straight - somemore have to change the newspaper, mop and he terpijak, wash and dry... near sleeping time - damn sien sometimes.

You should try to teach your dogs more tricks, appreciate their intelligence as they are not dumb creatures ma.
Try sit, stand, down, up, come and most importantly 100% house broken. I think these are like very basic la. 4 directions, come and biznez hour.

Boiled chicken liver? How long can keep ah?

Turkey ham, can it be given raw without cooking but terus given from when we bring back from Jusco / Tesco?

Actually is not hard wan lor... Just like spend time, play with them and stimulate their brand, rather than just every day sit there with them do nothing. Every time, I go to Casper, I would sit down with him, sayang him, tap him, touch him and then do nothing. He also veli semangat but when he see me so passive, he already veli sien. Then he run around, I also lazy wanna catch up, so I just lay on the floor and he come lay down with me - like so inactive like that, might as well teach them something lor.

Yea, I tried that too and newspaper as well but find that long term is quite difficult la. One year liao Casper try on wee wee pad and newspaper, I also clear until sien. I wish I can open my door, ask him to go out in the garden, do his biz, come in. Finish.

My gf train her Jap spitz like that... 6pm, open door, ask him go poo. One day, one time eat, one time poo - settle. No need like me la, need to change paper la, mop floor la, sometimes he kick the paper la, sometimes he step the poo la... PENGSAN!

Wee wee pad still need to change / renew / buy right? I bought before from White Palace for about ~30 I think but used until now also havent finish cause Casper rip them to shred and they become like cotton flying around the house... Pengsan!

Yeap, it's actually up to the owner. For me, I feel like I doing nothing with my dog, even play with them fetch, come, throw, tug of war - they also veli fast sien. Play fetch 6 times, give up already. Then watch tv together, just sit there idle, stagnant, passive... I feel tak berapa betul, thats why I always reinforce what I have taught them over and over again so they remember them easily.

Sometimes, wanna teach new trick like tak berapa semangat also. I havent manage to teach Casper to stay in one spot cause he is bloody active, cannot stay wan. The only place he can stay the longest is by the door, he will look out but wont dare step out cause he know i will kill him...

Thanks for the reply. Always enlightening as usual.

Can you suggest me some other human eat food that is suitable to be treats for doggy that's special enough for me to train him to do his business on command?

This post has been edited by Pennywise: Oct 3 2007, 12:24 AM

I was hoping for something quick and easy, human food that can be special treat for doggies... Not something I wish to cook all the time, takda masa ler babes.

Their nails are sharp so even with the holder, sometimes still can tear wan. You try try first.

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Added on October 3, 2007, 7:39 amWhen you guys say cheese, may I know which type? Those low-fat ones or normal cheese which can be found in Tesco? Kraft brand type?

This post has been edited by Pennywise: Oct 3 2007, 07:39 AM

Actually, after hearing 'cottage cheese' for so many times, I still have no idea what the hell is it... Hahahaha... Super blur!

I trained Casper on wee-wee pad around 3 - 4 months old but when I woke up in the morning, I see my house like got snow, all the white white thing shred to bits and flying around due to the fan.

Dont think housebreaking is easy to be taught, possibly the worst trick to train la so yes, do it while young. Memang its true that puppies will walk around in circles when they wanna pee / poo. When they grow older, no more walking around in circles, then it will be harder to determine when nature calls.

The usage of wee-wee pad and newspaper are just about the same, except for the fact that wee-wee pad has a holder, which in my opinion isnt really that big when I saw it at Joan's shop. Newspaper come cheap and it can be widespread to cover a bigger place for your dog to do their business.

I am not sure how you intend to crate Hugo when you get him in the future but for my case, I have a cage at one end and attached 5 pieces of play-pen to it. It can be a long runway or a pentagon shape depending on how I move the playpen. Usually, I leave the playpen straight, something like this:
_____

p1p1

p2p2

[cage]

I hope you can understand my setup. The cage is one end, p2p2 is the empty space, where all his toys and pillows are, and p1p1 is where I placed the newspaper / wee-wee pad - meaning the toilet is furthest away from the cage. Sometimes, he sleeps in the cage, sometimes he sleeps at p2p2 but he knows how to pees / potty at p1p1. The problem is, sometimes, our doggies will NOT move all the way near the edge of p1p1, somewhere between p2p2 and p1p1, they will release liao, so it will still get dirty on the floor.

This is why, even with 4 spreads of newspaper, it was not big enough for me to potty-proof Casper's business area. Hence, sometimes, I have to wipe, take up the newspaper, replace them, mop the area, etc. This is why, I feel training to pee on newspaper / wee-wee pad is not suitable, for myself, at least.

Seriously, I'm curious how you guys who train your dogs on wee-wee pad make your dog pee onto it without miss. I am starting to feel the whole "oops, I miss my spot by a bit!" a little too troublesome because it will lead onto step all over, spill out the floor, kena the coat, etc.

This post has been edited by Pennywise: Oct 3 2007, 03:19 PM

My paper is not placed on any tray, it's stacked and put under the leg of the playpen. The papers is the size of 4 fully open newspaper (The Star size), that's how big it is and yet he still misses. Sometimes, really feel mang-chang over it but like you said, cannot scold because it's the right spot, but miss only!

Male and female is the same la, the pee, they walk away, drip some times and have to wipe Casper's ding-dong with tissue every time!!

Yes, wee-wee pad absorbs pee but stepping on it will stain their feet or not, that I'm not so sure.

Yea, I think I have to ask Yang how he does it with his Maltese. Especially since he has so many, 7 or 8 now? How they share the crate or sleep separately? How they go to toilet? What if he stepped out of the house for > 5 hrs a day and how his Maltese whack all over the wee-wee pad, now I'm curious.

Please do not feel discourage about keeping a dog, it's like training a baby - not much difference. We are in two separate worlds, I have dogs but dont have babies, you have babies but dont have dogs. But I'd believe that their experiences are roughly the same?

Syrian,
You gotta capture a video of Hepy doing his thing when he shake his butt after he pee to show us!! I'm curious to know now.

crazymouse_yyh,
Cheddar cheese, actually I still dont get it but I think I will pass with these human food as treats. I will feed him something else, maybe a small spoon of Caesar.

All,
Today, I called up Mr. Chan to speak to him about his Westie. He is only taking a male and a female pup down from JB. Being the only one means I cannot choose - want, I take - dont want, others will buy them. I will be viewing the Westie some time next week (possibly Mon after work).

At the same time, my friend called me to inform that there's 3 westie at Pet Safari - 1 imported from Taiwan, 2 locally bred. The imported from taiwan comes with cert and cost for RM3.8k, I said fren recommend, he give me RM3.6k. The two without cert from local, I didnt ask the price. For those of you going there, please let me know how does the puppy look like, cute or not, healthy or not, etc.

This post has been edited by Pennywise: Oct 3 2007, 10:19 PM

For training, you gotta reinforce the treat every time he get it right la. You cannot train 10 times, feed 1 cheese. In the end, Hugo will only know the 10th trick nia. 1cm is very little nia lor, one mouth finish. I suggest dog treats is better, save cost - somemore, I worry cheese may cause some dog to lau-sai, lactose intolerant.


Ok, please let me know cause I was told that Pet Safari let breeder have a box / space to themselves to sell their dogs and this guy taking a space with 3 westie is my friend's fren. But when I called, he said he is Pet Safari owner so I also dunno confused. Sunday event, what time you guys meeting up? Can tell me here cause I malas to go through the whole thread ler bro.

Carrots, cooked or uncooked? I fed Casper carrots today when I was having soup, I think it's a bit salty but one small piece should not harm him in anyway right?

Yea, that's what I heard about the Westies - 3 of it. 2 local without cert, 1 from taiwan with cert 3.6k. I dont like big dogs, Tibetan Mastiff... All Mastiff sounds like Mustang to me, hence Mustang, muscle car, Mastiff, muscle canine...