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Darkmage12
post Oct 26 2007, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(jiant @ Oct 24 2007, 07:58 PM)
(Any new fund for Nov for PM)
same as title... is it good...?i want to know first so i can keep money to buy.
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new fund wait november la dude....now still OCTOBER whistling.gif

QUOTE(cherroy @ Oct 26 2007, 10:08 AM)
If you opt for the cash distribution then you get back the cash.
But if you opt for reinvest, then no effect at all.
Basically, your UT holding value is still the same for reinvesting, so no effect.
For cash distribution means you exit or lock in profit part of your investment.

At least for Malaysia case, no much different, while in US, realised capital gain is taxable, so there is some differences in it.

The most important in UT is to see the NAV keep on increasing over long term period. Distribution is giving out from its incremental of NAV aka profit from the fund.
So the main profit is come from the incremental of NAV <- when the fund portfolio makes profit, NAV increase daily or over the time.

Whether the fund got distribution or not, generally don't need to care much, the most important is too see its NAV incremental. As you said, the dividend/distribution is come from its NAV.

But due to people will comparing their invested UT with FD, generally fund managers will give out distribution so that UT holders knows there is profit made from their investment but in actual sense, the fund already making money.

My explaination quite rough, hope can undertand what I am saying.

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er now the distribution of UT still taxable or not?
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post Oct 27 2007, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Oct 26 2007, 05:36 PM)
er now the distribution of UT still taxable or not?
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It is much more complex, if want to talk about the taxation issue.

This link got some explaination on the unit trust taxation issue.

http://www.cmstrust.com.my/pdf_files/maste...04/taxation.pdf

Bonds fund distribution is surely tax exempted.
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Market Technical Reading (26/10/07): Possible Cautious Trade Ahead Of The Weekend... @ Bursa Street

Local Market Leads:
�� Despite a nearly 5% plunge in the Shanghai Composite, local market pushed
ahead by edging higher on local funds' buying-supports on Thursday.
�� Continuous strength in the ringgit that hit a 10-year high at 3.3560 versus the
US dollar, as well as a 2.15% spike in the Futures KL Index's Nov contract are
the major drivers in yesterday's rally.
�� Also, local investors' confidence was reinforced by a steady regional
performance, which reacted calmly to the steep fall in China markets, as much
attention was focused on hopes for further US interest rate cut soon.
�� In China, the benchmark Shanghai Composite plummeted 280.72pts or 4.80%
to 5,562.39 ahead of release of the third quarter GDP growth, as investors
feared a stronger-than-forecasted number will lead to more tightening measures.
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post Oct 27 2007, 08:08 PM

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QUOTE(investmentlink @ Oct 27 2007, 05:05 PM)
Market Technical Reading (26/10/07): Possible Cautious Trade Ahead Of The Weekend... @ Bursa Street

Local Market Leads:
�� Despite a nearly 5% plunge in the Shanghai Composite, local market pushed
ahead by edging higher on local funds' buying-supports on Thursday.
�� Continuous strength in the ringgit that hit a 10-year high at 3.3560 versus the
US dollar, as well as a 2.15% spike in the Futures KL Index's Nov contract are
the major drivers in yesterday's rally.
�� Also, local investors' confidence was reinforced by a steady regional
performance, which reacted calmly to the steep fall in China markets, as much
attention was focused on hopes for further US interest rate cut soon.
�� In China, the benchmark Shanghai Composite plummeted 280.72pts or 4.80%
to 5,562.39 ahead of release of the third quarter GDP growth, as investors
feared a stronger-than-forecasted number will lead to more tightening measures.
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Huh, I thought China's GDP already out..?
It stated that China's GDP increased by 11%, isn't it..?
I think these are older stories, China markets have been trading cautiously, but still on the upside.. smile.gif
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post Oct 28 2007, 12:57 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Oct 26 2007, 10:08 AM)
If you opt for the cash distribution then you get back the cash.
But if you opt for reinvest, then no effect at all.
Basically, your UT holding value is still the same for reinvesting, so no effect.
For cash distribution means you exit or lock in profit part of your investment.

At least for Malaysia case, no much different, while in US, realised capital gain is taxable, so there is some differences in it.

The most important in UT is to see the NAV keep on increasing over long term period. Distribution is giving out from its incremental of NAV aka profit from the fund.
So the main profit is come from the incremental of NAV <- when the fund portfolio makes profit, NAV increase daily or over the time.

Whether the fund got distribution or not, generally don't need to care much, the most important is too see its NAV incremental. As you said, the dividend/distribution is come from its NAV.

But due to people will comparing their invested UT with FD, generally fund managers will give out distribution so that UT holders knows there is profit made from their investment but in actual sense, the fund already making money.

My explaination quite rough, hope can undertand what I am saying.

Cheers.
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so basically conclusion will be to those who knows whats going on (the NAV is growing), got distribution or not doesnt make a difference right? no extra benefit from the distribution, correct? cause initially ive been thinking this way, until those bank lebih bank staff come tell me PB series got higher distribution la(compared to public), and bla bla bla to push their sales.
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post Oct 28 2007, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(beginner @ Oct 28 2007, 12:57 AM)
so basically conclusion will be to those who knows whats going on (the NAV is growing), got distribution or not doesnt make a difference right? no extra benefit from the distribution, correct? cause initially ive been thinking this way, until those bank lebih bank staff come tell me PB series got higher distribution la(compared to public), and bla bla bla to push their sales.
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Basically, yes. NAV it the ultimate barometer.

But if a fund can give high distribution generally it does come from the fund profit -> NAV incremental. If fund doesn't make any profit then where got the money to distribute.

It really want to convince people about their fund performance, it should be looked at the NAV incremental + distribution to get the total picture.

I can set up a fund at Rm1.00 then I give out RM0.06 (6%) but its NAV become Rm0.94 then next year give another 0.06 then NAV become 0.88 (assume fund doesn't make any profit/loss so NAV didn't move up or down). Then this kind of distribution has no meaning, just return the capital back to you.
But generally funds won't do that or not able to do. It basically fooling investors it they do it which will be easily spotted by investors which won't do good to the company reputation so nobody would do it.
Funds needed to stay invested at least 70-80% as written in trustee deal or prospectus.

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post Oct 29 2007, 02:58 PM

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post Oct 29 2007, 05:22 PM

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post Oct 29 2007, 05:23 PM

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Ya, unfortunately BONDS not doing much
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post Oct 29 2007, 05:33 PM

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Bonds always never do much. I put RM2k into PISBF in early August. After 2 months or so, i earned RM5-7. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Oct 29 2007, 05:23 PM)
Ya, unfortunately BONDS not doing much
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Bonds move in the opposite direction of equity most of the time..
So, when equity up, bonds should go down..
That's why it's safe during downturns..
But it doesn't have to always work this way.. smile.gif

QUOTE(Medufsaid @ Oct 29 2007, 05:33 PM)
Bonds always never do much. I put RM2k into PISBF in early August. After 2 months or so, i earned RM5-7. tongue.gif
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Unfortunately, bonds were meant for slow and steady income, not for growth..
It's only there for the purpose of short term 'parking' and diversification.. smile.gif
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post Oct 30 2007, 12:57 AM

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yeap currently i've 4 equity/aggressive funds, and 1 bond fund. the bond fund only has a reason, as a parking buffer should anything goes bad.
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post Oct 30 2007, 11:31 AM

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A green day...
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post Oct 30 2007, 12:21 PM

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a good perfomance.....


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post Oct 30 2007, 01:25 PM

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Looks like PCSF is again back as the top performer..
Very soon the NAV will break 0.3000, if the Fed cuts rates tonight.. thumbup.gif


Added on October 30, 2007, 1:28 pmLooks like PCSF is again back as the top performer..
Very soon the NAV will break 0.3000, if the Fed cuts rates tonight.. thumbup.gif

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post Oct 30 2007, 02:16 PM

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I think some of the new fund has reached new high.
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post Oct 31 2007, 10:55 AM

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post Oct 31 2007, 08:40 PM

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After a little calculation with yesterday's NAV, I noticed that my profit has increased to just above RM10k..
So if everything goes well after tonight's FOMC, we'll see another round of short rally, which will be the time I cash out on my PCSF..
I'm leaving my PCSF to go above 0.3000 to park it into bond, for another fund I'm aiming at the end of this month..
So hope things will be bright, then I'll be earning RM15k very very soon.. smile.gif
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post Oct 31 2007, 08:42 PM

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What does FOMC stand for?
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QUOTE(David83 @ Oct 31 2007, 08:42 PM)
What does FOMC stand for?
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Federal Open Market Committee smile.gif

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