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SUSDavid83
post Nov 3 2007, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(bengang13 @ Nov 3 2007, 10:00 AM)
Just remember 1331. and the IC and pin number...
i have problem remembering my pin number...
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Besides that, you must keep the list of fund account number(s) if you want to inquire or perform something.

By the way, what's the difference between Switching and Transfer? Not sure if anybody asked this before.
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post Nov 3 2007, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Nov 2 2007, 11:19 AM)
For your information, PM has declared a RM 0.02 distribution for PAIF, so that explains the drop..
Four funds were ex-distribution yesterday.. smile.gif

EDIT: PIBOND also was ex-distribution yesterday..
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Why the fund drop so high? Any link to this declaration?
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post Nov 3 2007, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(mynewuser @ Nov 3 2007, 10:10 AM)
Why the fund drop so high? Any link to this declaration?
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It's not dropping. It's doing an adjustment after declaring the distribution (paying out the dividend) to the unitholders.
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post Nov 3 2007, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 3 2007, 10:30 AM)
It's not dropping. It's doing an adjustment after declaring the distribution (paying out the dividend) to the unitholders.
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Just declare RM 0.02 only. But the unit price drop 10%. rclxub.gif

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post Nov 3 2007, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 3 2007, 10:02 AM)
Besides that, you must keep the list of fund account number(s) if you want to inquire or perform something.

By the way, what's the difference between Switching and Transfer? Not sure if anybody asked this before.
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Switching is to switch between funds, but transfer is to transfer the ownership of the funds..

QUOTE(mynewuser @ Nov 3 2007, 10:10 AM)
Why the fund drop so high? Any link to this declaration?
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As explained by David, it's an adjustment to balance the NAV to reflect the distributions..
No link to this declaration as far as I'm concerned, but someone posted the article sent to unit holders in the previous page..
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post Nov 3 2007, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(mynewuser @ Nov 3 2007, 11:50 AM)
Just declare RM 0.02 only. But the unit price drop 10%. rclxub.gif
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It's a very complicated calculation I believed. The NAV will be adjusted based on total distribution is being payout.
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post Nov 3 2007, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(mynewuser @ Nov 3 2007, 11:50 AM)
Just declare RM 0.02 only. But the unit price drop 10%. rclxub.gif
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PAIF 0.3176 -0.0204 -6.04%
Where got 10%..? rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 3 2007, 11:57 AM)
It's a very complicated calculation I believed. The NAV will be adjusted based on total distribution is being payout.
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just call tele mutual to find out the net price and total unti lo..
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post Nov 3 2007, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Nov 3 2007, 11:58 AM)
PAIF 0.3176 -0.0204 -6.04%
Where got 10%..? rclxub.gif
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I think he's referring to PIF with 10 cents per unit distribution. The NAV has been adjusted by 11%
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post Nov 3 2007, 12:08 PM

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Alright, let me clarify this, which many still seem confused..
When a distribution is declared, it's taking out of the NAV to pay back investors (not extra money)..
Therefore it'll cause the NAV to decrease (simple maths of apples)..

For example, lets say the NAV of the fund is 0.3000, with a distribution of 0.03, after the ex-distribution the NAV will be adjusted to 0.2700..
So, in percentage wise, this is 0.03/0.3000*100=10%..
Therefore, when you see 10% decrement, it's actually only 0.03..
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QUOTE(bengang13 @ Nov 3 2007, 11:58 AM)
just call tele mutual to find out the net price and total unti lo..
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I gave a call yesterday and apparently my PAIF hasn't updated yet.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 3 2007, 12:10 PM)
I gave a call yesterday and apparently my PAIF hasn't updated yet.
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If you reinvest the distribution, it'll be bought at that NAV (after deducting tax payable)..
Then you'll be receiving the reinvestment slip soon..
So no need to worry smile.gif
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post Nov 3 2007, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Nov 3 2007, 12:12 PM)
If you reinvest the distribution, it'll be bought at that NAV (after deducting tax payable)..
Then you'll be receiving the reinvestment slip soon..
So no need to worry smile.gif
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Yes, I'm reinvesting my distribution and I'm aware of that too.

Distribution - Tax = Amount reinvested

How many percentage of the tax? 25% or 26%?
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post Nov 3 2007, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 3 2007, 12:13 PM)
Yes, I'm reinvesting my distribution and I'm aware of that too.

Distribution - Tax = Amount reinvested

How many percentage of the tax? 25% or 26%?
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It's taxed at 27% if I'm not mistaken..
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post Nov 3 2007, 12:48 PM

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So you get taxed on the distribution? So logically speaking after the distribution you will lose some money right?

ie. if have invested RM10,000 and there is a distribution of 10% = RM1,000.

The RM1000 will be taxed 27% = RM270.

Therefore your investment is now only worth RM10,000 - RM270 = RM9,730

So for a distribution of 10%, you lost 2.7% of your total investment to taxes...

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QUOTE(lelong1234 @ Nov 3 2007, 12:48 PM)
So you get taxed on the distribution? So logically speaking after the distribution you will lose some money right? 

ie. if have invested RM10,000 and there is a distribution of 10% = RM1,000.

The RM1000 will be taxed 27% = RM270.

Therefore your investment is now only worth RM10,000 - RM270 = RM9,730

So for a distribution of 10%, you lost 2.7% of your total investment to taxes...
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Not really..
At the moment you can still claim back the tax paid..
So, you don't lose anything fortunately smile.gif
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post Nov 3 2007, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Nov 3 2007, 01:30 PM)
Not really..
At the moment you can still claim back the tax paid..
So, you don't lose anything fortunately smile.gif
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oh.. so how do you go about getting it back?

if your not working, do they also tax you?
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QUOTE(lelong1234 @ Nov 3 2007, 01:45 PM)
oh.. so how do you go about getting it back?

if your not working, do they also tax you?
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Yes, but if your income is not in that tax bracket, you can claim your tax..
They tax you the highest tax bracket..
Just send the application to IRB and you'll get the refund..
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post Nov 3 2007, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Nov 3 2007, 01:54 PM)
Yes, but if your income is not in that tax bracket, you can claim your tax..
They tax you the highest tax bracket..
Just send the application to IRB and you'll get the refund..
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Oh.. ic.. wah.. so troublesome have to go do all this especially if you only have a small investment.

Btw, is there like a certain period after the distribution is made before which you have to fill in the application for the refund? Or can you like just go once a year to get the refunds for all your funds? (because funds usually give out their distribution at different times)
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post Nov 3 2007, 07:55 PM

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I think you just keep all the distribution statements that PM sent to you (if there's any) and file everything once in that particular assessment year.

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