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kingkong81
post Nov 26 2007, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(am_eniey @ Nov 26 2007, 11:09 AM)
what's the benefit if I invest RM100K in PM??
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U get priority service as Mutual Gold...all ur transaction will be faster than other ppl.

All transaction fees & switching fees are waived, free insurance, free will writing.....a lot more

The most important thing is, it can provide u with better return by investing in Unit Trust smile.gif
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post Nov 27 2007, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(chidori_nep @ Nov 27 2007, 10:20 PM)
blush.gif paiseh la u guys say liddat. dzi921 so san fu compile everyday, of coz must save and make use of it mar  wink.gif

but i lauya investor hahahaha  tongue.gif know nuts de. u guys are the pros  notworthy.gif

So what u guys think? are we going into recession? 2 days of green more red coming  ph34r.gif
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Great job there chidori.. thumbup.gif

I do not think Malaysia or Asia in whole will go to recession...as Asia now are stronger compared to 10yrs ago, and can handle market crisis better.

US in other hand...the possibility of recession is high...we we juz crossed our fingers and hope that the problem can b solved earlier.

In a whole...next year should be a slow year to start ahead...January will be a testing time, as 4th Q financial will b released...maybe after February we hope China will bring some excitement to the world.

So, expect a slow year ahead... sweat.gif

others comments are welcome smile.gif
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post Nov 29 2007, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(chidori_nep @ Nov 29 2007, 01:19 PM)
Wah today all markets up so fast de due to interest rate cut @@ any pro could pls share ur opinion on normally how long this positive effect of cut interest rate will last on the markets? Normally this rise will be juz temporary or quite permanent de? hehe thanks =)
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There is no interest rate cut yet at US...juz that US Fed officials hinted on another rate cut....which boosted investors confidence. I think the Fed Meeting will b on 11th dec...then v will know whether there will b surely a rate cut

I think as for KLCI, the +ve impact will continue 2mr as 2mr a big giant set to be listed in KLCI, Synergy-D (now known as Sime Darby Bhd). Its combination market capitalisation is almost RM13billion and analyst predict it will push KLCI up 20 or 30 points 2mr.

As for regional market...I guess there will continuous recovery in December, but still volatile, as everyone will be taking cue from US market, any bad news, everyone will be affected. AT least the 1st round bad financial reports are over...next round will b in January

My 2 cents
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post Dec 3 2007, 10:46 PM

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FYI...distribution will be subjected to tax. Same as this time.

Another good news for everyone...some funds has been reopened...which are:

1) P Ittikal Fund
2) P Enhanced Bond Fund
3) Public Bond Fund
4) Pulic Islamic Bond Fund
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post Dec 3 2007, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Dec 3 2007, 10:50 PM)
If you reinvest your distribution, your avearge unit cost will be lowered down.
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yep....some more it is free of service charge...

compound interest
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post Dec 3 2007, 11:25 PM

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QUOTE(netcrawler @ Dec 3 2007, 11:05 PM)
Reinvest at NAV only save you a commision to agent but
would not increase your total fund value. So no financial
gain for any unit trust distribution.


Added on December 3, 2007, 11:11 pm

What compound interest you were refering to?
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Juz the same as FD, when you get ur interest, you put it back and roll again (i.e. here, reinvest)...so it is compunding your return

For example...u put RM1000, u get 10% for 1st year...so u get RM100, u put back in...now u invest RM1100 and get another 10% 2nd year, u get RM110, u put that back in, now invest RM1210...get 10% ...so on so fort

So, it does have effect to your financial gain and total value...

If you take out the distribution then maybe no lor...but it is generating extra income for you...

look at the bigger picture... smile.gif

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post Dec 4 2007, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(leekk8 @ Dec 4 2007, 10:45 AM)
I think you get a wrong idea on this. There is no such compounded interest in this distribution situation. If the money is not given back to investors via distribution, fund manager still have these money to gain more money. There is no benefit to investors in terms of value of the portfolio.

Example:
Fund NAV RM1.10
Distribution RM0.10 per unit
If you have 1000 unit (value is RM1100), you will get RM100 for distribution. After distribution, the fund NAV will be RM1.00 ( I think you know the fund NAV will be adjusted accordingly after the distribution). After reinvest, your unit will be less than 1100 unit (because of a small portion of distribution will be taxed). The value you have after distribution still RM1100 or less than that.

What's the benefit of getting distribution, and some more we will be taxed on the distribution?

I don't think we need to consider much about this distribution. This distribution is only useful for fund manager and some investors who need some cash every year. If you're not thinking want to get the payout of distribution, don't choose fund by looking at the distribution. Unit Split is much better than distribution for investors' benefit.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 4 2007, 11:20 AM)
Yes, distribution or not has not much effect. It is still back to square one unless for cash flow situation.

However, unit split is even more meaningless compared to distribution. Nothing is changed in unit split, just some psychology feel 'more' about the unit held, in fact, value or NAV won't have any effect.
I knew unit split generally will be implemented if NAV increase quite signficantly. For example a fund NAV increase from RM1 to Rm2, generally fund house will opt to split it let say 1:2 and make the NAV back to Rm1.00. But in fact, whether got unit split or not, it is actually carrying no real meaning as you still have RM2.00 in total whether got split or not.

What's matter is the NAV incremental over the time which mean its portfolio is making money over the time.
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Ic ic....agree with cherroy on unit split...as your total NAV is still d same...nothing change.
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post Dec 13 2007, 04:33 PM

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chidori_nep is getting efficient thumbup.gif

Today all bloody red...2mr the price will not look too nice oso unsure.gif

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post Dec 17 2007, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Dec 17 2007, 02:54 PM)
Ok, I just made a full switch from PSBF into PCSF

Hang Seng now  -948.45 (-3.44%)

A lot of blood...
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good move thumbup.gif
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post Dec 27 2007, 03:21 PM

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PCSF seems to b out of steam a bit...hopefully there will b some push towards year end.

Today will be green as well, thats good smile.gif
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post Dec 27 2007, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Dec 27 2007, 04:24 PM)
HSI dropped 285.87 (-1.02%) to close 27,842.93 today.
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Shanghai Composite 5,308.89 Up 75.54 (1.44%)
Taiwan Weighted 8,313.72 Up 157.33 (1.93%)

Guess those 2 can counter the slight drop in HSI...most probably PCSF & PCIF wont move up much 2mr rolleyes.gif
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post Dec 27 2007, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Dec 27 2007, 04:35 PM)
Well yesterday NAV also didn't change much: +0.0002
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At least it is not dropping is good ady...considering current choppy & cautious market
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post Dec 27 2007, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Dec 27 2007, 11:03 PM)
There might be a rally when it's toward CNY 2008 and then some minor correction may happen after that. Just my personal view ...
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haha...I juz have the opposite view on that.

I think 1st quarter of 2008, we will continue to see some correction in the market as bad news on US subprime mortgage issue will continue to roll out from the big companies financial report (especially those Big Financial companies that was badly hit, like HSBC, Citigroup, etc.). Then maybe after that (maybe after CNY) we might be seeing some bull running, hopefully it will continues until Olympic in August.
Thats my personal view of it, if there are others view on this, feel free to share smile.gif

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by psychict:

Hello all! Newbie here... Read thru all 41pages of all the sifu's discussion and learned alot! Thx!

A quick question, do yous still think that PCSF / PCIF is going to shoot up more? Some analysing would be helpful icon_rolleyes.gif


1st of all, welcome rclxms.gif

Well, I do believe both these funds will shoot up again, maybe now it wont go too far, we might be seeing that more after 1st quarter...especially with the Olympic coming. The question remain to be answered is how far it can go next year? unsure.gif

Then again, the risk is still there. If you are looking for short term gain then it will be more risky...advisable for you to look into long term growth instead of short term gain.

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post Dec 28 2007, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(psychict @ Dec 28 2007, 10:43 AM)
Long term gain in this fund or others? I'm looking at long term maybe as u said up till Olympics.
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Up till Olympics is consider short-term ady...when we said long-term, we are looking for 3yrs, 5yrs and beyond.

But, what you can do is to do profit-taking...coz i do expect some slowdown after olympic...in any case once the fund profit reach your target, then you should consider doing profit-taking smile.gif especially if your investment is big


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post Dec 31 2007, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Dec 31 2007, 06:45 PM)
The service charge of 5.5% ... does it affect existing funds when we buy an existing fund or when we perform a top up to the existing account?
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The new service charge rate of 5.5% applied to all equity funds investment, be it Initial investment or additional investment for both new & existing funds.

BTW, the service for promotion funds is 5.0%.


HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! May 2008 bring in wealth & health to everyone!! thumbup.gif thumbup.gif wink.gif

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post Jan 1 2008, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(mynewuser @ Jan 1 2008, 02:13 PM)
Any one still holding the PCSF and PFEPRF beside me.
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I'm oso holding both.

I would say PFEPRF launched at a bit of wrong timing when the US subprime issue break out. Well, it is still less than 6 months, I would still give it a chance in 2008 for it to perform. Else, going to switch it out.
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post Jan 2 2008, 09:18 AM

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I will be looking for the bull to come after CNY...these days HSI really bit out of steam...

This yr steel & cement price is up...will it affect the property market in positive or negative way?

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QUOTE(Grengo01 @ Jan 2 2008, 12:25 PM)
Bull before election..... well, the tradition is switch after CNY... I wont hold out for a bull before election.... probably be cautious after election.

What is the best fund to switch out to? I know the safest is Money Market Fund but it is worse off than putting back into EPF. Is it possible to switch into PBOND? Or is it closed already?
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PBOND has reopen again...smile.gif
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post Jan 2 2008, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(Grengo01 @ Jan 2 2008, 02:31 PM)
I think among the Bond Funds... PBOND is the best... correct me if I am wrong.. at least within the Public Mutual stable.. wink.gif.
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Looking back at PBOND past performance, it has been able to provide consistent attractive distribution every year. I oso think this bond fund is one of the performer in PM bond fund
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post Jan 3 2008, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(leekk8 @ Jan 3 2008, 10:14 AM)
I think the service charge for promotion funds is 5%...pls confirm.
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Sorry for the confusion...my mistake. As earlier it has been slotted for 4.45%, but got the confirmation it is 5%.

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