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O-haiyo
post Apr 3 2021, 07:42 AM

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Haaland or no Haaland, we still need a quality striker to challenge for title. Martial just doest cut it. With news Cavani wanting to go back to South America, we need another striker. Greenwood is good enough but he cant carry us for the whole season.
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QUOTE(O-haiyo @ Apr 3 2021, 07:42 AM)
Haaland or no Haaland, we still need a quality striker to challenge for title. Martial just doest cut it. With news Cavani wanting to go back to South America, we need another striker. Greenwood is good enough but he cant carry us for the whole season.
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Correct. And an obvious good one is this Haaland. So, he is expensive. Aren’t they all? What better choice do we have, other than dribble into the the center back, get blocked and repeat?
Greenwood? Not the whole season and not thru his head either.
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post Apr 3 2021, 09:33 AM

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QUOTE(lee82gx @ Apr 3 2021, 09:20 AM)
Correct. And an obvious good one is this Haaland. So, he is expensive. Aren’t they all? What better choice do we have, other than dribble into the the center back, get blocked and repeat?
Greenwood? Not the whole season and not thru his head either.
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Haaland price is stumbling block not only for us, but for other clubs as well. Yes, I do want him but not at that price. Don't forget about his agent too. I think we are tired dealing with Mino. While there's no doubt about Haaland talent, the bigger question is, can he perform if he comes to us? Can Ole provide type of football that let him thrive? I doubt that. In Dortmund, the play is fast and fluid, stark contrast with ours. Due to all this, I am not sure if we should break the transfer chest for him.
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If we pay bumper for him, sure will have to adjust to suit him...

Anyhow so if we are back to 30-40m then my suggestion is recall Lord Lingardinho. Save the money and put it in BTC. 3 years later can buy the whole Barca.

I may sound silly, but I'm just trying to use sufficiently sarcastic statements to wake us all up. Fred cost 50m. Vdb cost 40m. Bruno cost 50m. In total we spent 150m for 1 starter, 1 fringer, and 1 flop. Why not 100m+ for a starter again?
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post Apr 3 2021, 11:23 AM

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Some of us think the problem is up front, some of us think the problem is at the back.

Personally, I would rather target a CB and CDM this summer.
I don't think Haaland would solve anything. My opinion is that we stick Haaland upfront, he will look worse than Martial. I regularly watch Dortmund games and as a striker, here's a controversial opinion, I think Greenwood is the better striker. I think Haaland has been media hyped to the moon. Haaland in a team that doesn't provide him with the easy chances? It would be just like Haaland for Norway.

The other stumbling block is finances. We are a second tier club in the transfer market, have been for some time. We cannot afford to pay 100M per player like Chelsea, City and Madrid can. Not with our debt and dividends to the Glazers. So we usually go for cheaper 5th choice transfers.

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there are also who think the problem is at the top, problem at the bottom..

u see, so many problems.. Haaland alone won't be enough i guess tongue.gif
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post Apr 3 2021, 12:18 PM

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Pay 5th choice, then settle for 5th place. Its ok. Psg, mc, barca, rm, even atletico have shown, you need pay top dollar to end up top of table.

It's true that paying top dollar does NOT guarantee success. I get that. But not paying top dollar is a better guarantee of not ending top.

Same as you don't pay for peanut Norway champion manager.

Anyway, again it's not like we are the 5th tier team. We are supposedly TOP tier.

Norway does not perform well even with Haaland, yes, but Norway manager cannot spend money to buy good midfielder and good defenders. So again, the difference is spending and choices.

I love the club. I will love it even if we go to DIV. 1. So my take is what are we trying to achieve? Another 20 seasons of top 4 finishes consecutively?
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QUOTE(lee82gx @ Apr 3 2021, 12:18 PM)
Pay 5th choice, then settle for 5th place. Its ok. Psg, mc, barca, rm, even atletico have shown, you need pay top dollar to end up top of table.

It's true that paying top dollar does NOT guarantee success. I get that. But not paying top dollar is a better guarantee of not ending top.

Same as you don't pay for peanut Norway champion manager.

Anyway, again it's not like we are the 5th tier team. We are supposedly TOP tier.

Norway does not perform well even with Haaland, yes, but Norway manager cannot spend money to buy good midfielder and good defenders. So again, the difference is spending and choices.

I love the club. I will love it even if we go to DIV. 1. So my take is what are we trying to achieve?  Another 20 seasons of top 4 finishes consecutively?
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Exactly. We've paid for lower options and that reflects where our squad is.
What is MU trying to achieve? Management direction is generate more funds for the Glazers. Woodward has said in a 2019 interview that United's commercial success isn't overly influenced by the footballing side.

Glazers have taken over 100M in dividends the past couple of years. That is not even counting the debt & interest we are servicing. So that is the order. Glazers first, debt second, footballing investment third.
Which means we are consistenly need to penny pinch in transfers.

The Norway reference, yes it comes down to good midfielders and defenders. Which is why I prefer the squad investment to go into CB and CDM this season.
Once the spine of the team is good, then we go with one elite FW to push for the title.


I love the club too. Even if we get relegated into the Championship.
And if it means the getting rid of the Glazers for a long term owner putting money into the club like what City and Chelsea have, it's getting closer to my preferred option as the years go by.

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Apr 3 2021, 12:26 PM)
Exactly. We've paid for lower options and that reflects where our squad is.
What is MU trying to achieve? Management direction is generate more funds for the Glazers. Woodward has said in a 2019 interview that United's commercial success isn't overly influenced by the footballing side.

Glazers have taken over 100M in dividends the past couple of years. That is not even counting the debt & interest we are servicing. So that is the order. Glazers first, debt second, footballing investment third.
Which means we are consistenly need to penny pinch in transfers.

The Norway reference, yes it comes down to good midfielders and defenders. Which is why I prefer the squad investment to go into CB and CDM this season.
Once the spine of the team is good, then we go with one elite FW to push for the title.
I love the club too. Even if we get relegated into the Championship.
And if it means the getting rid of the Glazers for a long term owner putting money into the club like what City and Chelsea have, it's getting closer to my preferred option as the years go by.
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I won't argue that cb and cm are also weak spots. But if you want a quick bang then its the sharp pointy end that gives you something to cheer. Basically like you want to lose less or draw less I guess. For me, score 1 better concede 1 less haha.

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QUOTE(lee82gx @ Apr 3 2021, 01:31 PM)
I won't argue that cb and cm are also weak spots. But if you want a quick bang then its the sharp pointy end that gives you something to cheer. Basically like you want to lose less or draw less I guess. For me, score 1 better concede 1 less haha.
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Actually the problem I want to fix is the midfield supply line to Bruno and the forwards. They aren't getting the ball enough and often result in the midfield gap which causes Bruno to come deep, dragging our CAM away from the opposition area.

CB is to fix the slow defence line so we can play higher up. This negates the need for us to play McFred as a double pivot that sits 5 meters in front of the defence. A single pivot will then do.
CDM is to fix the deep midfield distritution line as Fred is not a deep orchestrator. He doesn't have the passing range to be a regista. The aim is getting the ball out of defence onto Bruno quickly and consistently.

The improved supply line should see more chances created and the team playing higher up the pitch to pressure opponents.

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post Apr 3 2021, 08:08 PM

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QUOTE(O-haiyo @ Apr 3 2021, 09:33 AM)
Haaland price is stumbling block not only for us, but for other clubs as well. Yes, I do want him but not at that price. Don't forget about his agent too. I think we are tired dealing with Mino. While there's no doubt about Haaland talent, the bigger question is, can he perform if he comes to us? Can Ole provide type of football that let him thrive? I doubt that. In Dortmund, the play is fast and fluid, stark contrast with ours. Due to all this, I am not sure if we should break the transfer chest for him.
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No Haaland for me as long as he is with Raiola, back to the moment he signed with Dortmund, and it is even higher now as his dad and the agent having a "tour" to market him. Haaland is just 20 this year, if we sign him next year by activating his release clause, I can not imagine how many times we will be held ransom by Haaland & Co. We see enough with Pogba-drama, our main concern now is to get trophies, this kind of nonsense is a distraction and unnecessary.

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post Apr 3 2021, 09:14 PM

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Look at Big Sam goes. laugh.gif
There goes Chelsea streak
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post Apr 3 2021, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(ljf123 @ Apr 3 2021, 09:14 PM)
Look at Big Sam goes. laugh.gif
There goes Chelsea streak
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Like i said, the honeymoon have to end soon.. just didn't expect end in such ugly manner.. lol.. and actually even the new coach came... They didn't really score alot of goals... There goes the 200mil
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post Apr 3 2021, 10:42 PM

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Big no for haaland.Not just transfer fees he wants 600k per week. Kane should be cheaper. There r many options out there. Aguero or messi for free? Lol
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QUOTE(Mu4ever80 @ Apr 3 2021, 10:42 PM)
Big no for haaland.Not just transfer fees he wants 600k per week. Kane should be cheaper. There r many options out there. Aguero or messi for free? Lol
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Kane? Cheap is never the case when dealing with Levy laugh.gif

Actually barring his age/fitness/injury concern, Aguero's finishing is way better than Martial so if salary is not too much, why not? tongue.gif

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I highly doubt Aguero will come. Why risk his legendary status in MC, furthermore he already conquer England
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post Apr 3 2021, 11:49 PM

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Not sure if Kane is cheaper than Haaland, but I believe so. Kane is better option.
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post Apr 4 2021, 12:36 AM

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In the Kane and Haaland debate, perhaps the most important variable is being missed out.

Both will not be interested in joining Manchester United because there is nothing for them in a footballing sense.
Kane wants to leave to win trophies and the League. United are just another club like Spurs.
Haaland wants to join a club that can provide him with chances to convert and raise his profile. United cannot.

Manchester City is a superior choice for both. Barcelona or Real Madrid are also better options.
If you were Kane or Haaland, why would you join Manchester United?

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post Apr 4 2021, 09:09 AM

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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Apr 3 2021, 10:15 PM)
Like i said, the honeymoon have to end soon..  just didn't expect end in such ugly manner.. lol.. and actually even the new coach came... They didn't really score alot of goals... There goes the 200mil
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For last night, I guess it is because of the international duty that disrupts their rhythm. We will see more on the next matches (although I prefer to see their losses laugh.gif)
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post Apr 4 2021, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(alien2003 @ Apr 3 2021, 11:15 PM)
Kane? Cheap is never the case when dealing with Levy  laugh.gif

Actually barring his age/fitness/injury concern, Aguero's finishing is way better than Martial so if salary is not too much, why not?  tongue.gif
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Haha half of haaland's 180m euro asking price not bad ady lol.

QUOTE(williamlee_1985 @ Apr 3 2021, 11:42 PM)
I highly doubt Aguero will come. Why risk his legendary status in MC, furthermore he already conquer England
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Yup.I think he will join chelsea

QUOTE(statikinetic @ Apr 4 2021, 12:36 AM)
In the Kane and Haaland debate, perhaps the most important variable is being missed out.

Both will not be interested in joining Manchester United because there is nothing for them in a footballing sense.
Kane wants to leave to win trophies and the League. United are just another club like Spurs.
Haaland wants to join a club that can provide him with chances to convert and raise his profile. United cannot.

Manchester City is a superior choice for both. Barcelona or Real Madrid are also better options.
If you were Kane or Haaland, why would you join Manchester United?
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Definitely mc/barca/RM I'm sorry to say that

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