If I were you (TS), for the price of a brand new EOS 1D Mark III I will get TWO used EOS ID Mark II N. Wanna tayang hardware means tayang HABIS!

Whether EOS 5D or EOS 1D Mark III, I doubt you're able to match up to either of the models in terms of skill even if you bank in another 5 years becoz photography is not where you're heading. They're sending you overseas to study or take photos? Get a used camera and save up the cash for rainy days-lar bro., you'll need it. Maybe save up some money, do some part time during summer holidays and get yourself a Nissan 350Z when you're back, now THAT'S more like it!

IMO Save the money from getting a 5D or 1D3, get a 40D or used 1D2 and a whole slew of L lenses. Remember, the camera body is useless without the glass.
Plus it'd be pretty.. off.. if you bought a damn good camera but become limited by your lens range, no?

BTW a jump from a 350d kit right up to a 5D or 1D3 is a wee bit drastic, no?

I guess if TS has the money...

Let's see how wise he spends his money...

If he gets a great body but just stick with his kit lens. You know what type of photographer he is....

If you're getting a 5D or any of the 1D series.
U need some L lenses to bring out its full potential.
Something like a 17-40 F4, 24-105 F4 IS & 70-200 F4 IS (and these are only the F4 families, not even F2.8).

Maybe u should consider what other members mentioned, keep ur current body & get more lenses.

Anyhow, in terms of speed, handling & control, I'd say the Nikon D200 is better than 5D.

But the image quality of a 5D is unsurpass (ie. only 1Ds can do better at this stage).

Thats quite a good lineup of lenses and covers the mostly used f4 family of L lense. That would set TS Back prolly RM2.5K + RM4K + RM3.9K leaving a whole RM5-7K for a body + flash since he has the budget for a 1DMKiii. So many possibilities still. 30D/40D/5D.

The lenses will outlast the body, so just get what fits for the time being. If the 2 above options are the ONLY ones possible to vote, Im changing my vote from the 1D to the 5D. But If I had THAT Budget, I'd go for the 40D(If we only talking CANON here) and the 17-40/16-35 + 70-200 f2.8 IS + 50mm f1.8 + 580ex.

Aiyo.... 50mm F1.8 on a 5D? For what? Landscape or portrait?
Landscape or walkaround, u got the 17-40/16-35 already.
Portrait - definitely the 85 F1.2 L mah.....

Photography isn't just about getting the best camera and lens, going out and pressing the shutter, hoping that the pictures turn out nice. There's a lot more than just the camera. If you bring a mk3 out and act like a pro but shoot like a n00b, you're just making a joke out of yourself. Like going out in a sunny day as a photographer and say "wow, nice sunny day! great for pictures" with a good camera and lens, no flash, no reflector.

Good point, but i love shooting in low light without flash, any extra ISO or sensor size appeals well to me and that's why i'm making the switch.

Either way it's a good suggestion.

I'm sure my folks will survive

Like i said, if i wanted to spend it wisely i'd stick in ASW2020 to get a 10 percent divident and a 13.8 percent usual bonus, i'm sure there are times we like to splurge abit.

I can't get a car because i already drive my mom's one like a bat out of hell, RapidKL good enough lah
I can't get house because my old man is the kind that doesn't like his kids moving out early
I can't get a new PC because i just got one

Thus i get photogear. It's either that or i burn the money in front of poor people when i die .

Understandably it's a big sum of cash, but better than some who ask their folks to get them a car right?


I think you wkkay make a good point, the only thing i'm skeptical about is the ability of the existing EOS350D sensor to maximize the capabilities of these lenses, and that's the main reason. After many horrible triages out in the dark even with a tripod and apeture open wide (even with a few HQ borrowed lenses), i find the quality lacking.

I just wish my camera could see as well as i do in the dark, and heck i have astigmatism
No cars for me, the last time i was lent one all i did was drive 240 and above on every highway near my place. I know i can't control myself when it comes to motor vehicles, so i think the bus is better for my long term health. Anyways the 350Z is balls when it comes to handling, far too stiff, far too unfriendly, you'd get bored of it if you were forced to take it out to go giant on sundays to do shopping

Well, who knows, i'm studying EE, but i'm quite sure it isn't one of those things i wanna do for the rest of my pathetic life, might get more serious as time goes along, although if you ask me at the end of the day, my main motivation is to just get some nice i see into my view finder and keep it with me.

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Added on August 28, 2007, 3:24 amNo worries, except for abstract photography, i do consider myself quite competent with a camera. But there are hardware limitations i just can't get over, especially in low light.

This post has been edited by empire23: Aug 28 2007, 03:24 AM

Well, looks like you are determined to get the camera that you need. I guess this is more of a show off thread than actually asking for what you really need.

Well, some of us understand how hard is it to earn money. Lucky for you, you were born with a golden spoon.

Some of us may also be born with a golden spoon but yet they're are contented and they value the money their parents earn.

For lowlight problems, a great lens would do the trick. You just need a L lens with constant aperture.

Anyway, if you have the $$, by all means, spend it the way you like it.

Some of us could only envy you.

Mind to share some of the photos you have taken to see what you actually need?

This post has been edited by calvin_gsc: Aug 28 2007, 05:09 AM

400D + 28-300MM IS USM L better la....

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Why not 1Ds Mark III???
Full Frame ma...
Since like money not a big problem liao...
Sailang...

Let's no turn this into a thread where you bash my ability to spend, i've given up alot of luxuries people take for granted here, first of all i don't get pocket money, what i use daily is what i earn, i walk to use public transport when most get the luxury of cars, 2km back on foot daily from Ampang Point, so beat that sissy legs, and i'm sure you damn well do not know what it's like to work as b**** labour with indonesians on saturdays and sundays driving lorries and working as a loader, i also put off going overseas for 3 years too, you instead are younger than me and are already overseas in MTU. My folks are well to do, yes we have gazillions in the bank, and i understand the value of the almighty dollar thank you, but if they're ok with giving me the cash, i'm ok with taking it.

Geez if i wanted a lecture on morals, i would've gone somewhere else with less pretentious b****es who "think" they work harder than me when they're still in some cushy uni across the world

Anyways to shoot with a constant apeture is good, but that limits what i can latch on to as the min max range is short although i haven't seem wide open primes at 1.2 and so work before but i do doubt whether, but so far if the Tamrons operating at 1.4-1.6 at the ARP meet are any indication, i don't think it'll be enough, and that's even with a tripod, mightbe passable with 1.2 but seeing that it was a D2X being used (Chai's) and comparing the sensor sizes, the biggest killer was noise. But therein comes the problem, i've read a few mags and they say that the EOS1D Mk III with it's new DIGICII ASIC is a very capable performer when it comes to noise removal, extremely competent to boot, comparing pictures at high ISO, i can understand it, the strickler being whether it beats the FF 5D.

And there's the whole sealing bit because i'm usually quite rough with my EOS (most of the body is scratched and there's chipping for god sake)

Yeah here are some of my older pics because i don't update the thread much
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=337616
Reason you don't see the noise is that i've knocked down the resolution by a factor of 300 percent. Little girl waving fans is an example of limitations, i had to scale down so much and retouch the image so badly it smeared everything.



I can stretch, but not that far. If i had that much money, the choice would be clear cut.

Lemme go save up for my Hasselblad

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Added on August 28, 2007, 11:13 amDistortion manyak lor. Any i don't really shoot wildlife so i don't need tele that much.

This post has been edited by empire23: Aug 28 2007, 11:13 AM

In which area of photography do you want to concentrate on? For example, subject matter? Or would you prefer to be versatile.

In regards to finances, if you do go for the more expensive body but have no lens, do you see yourself buying a lens soon?

My vote, is that if you can get the more expensive body, get it because sooner or later, if you do get the 5D, that stupid nagging thought will be in your head..."Why didn't I choose the more expensive body".

But seriously, I think the best decision is always made by considering what your subject matter is and making full use of your cash to maximise your photography experience. If macro is what you like, then I would suggest that you get the cheaper body and use the extra $$$ saved to buy macro lenses, a sturdy tripod, etc..etc..

I love to shoot in low light, if you find some ******* roaming KL at 4am with a camera, it's probably me, i don't know why, but low light just buys it for me, i also wanted to get into starlight photography, but the last attempt ended in mucho macho noise from the sensor and absurd levels of aliasing.

If i were to buy the 1D, to be really honest with you i don't see myself getting anything decent for atleast 3 to 5 months as i try to customize my diet to maggi alone. Assuming i can shore up 1k a month, around 4 months is a good figure.

Actually the nagging thought you just described might be one of the reasons too, because in my view, the body be the basis of all your pics, swapping lenses is bad enough, but swapping a body is another story.

True, if i were into macro and such, this wouldn't be so hard. I'd just stick to what i have and get a competent flashgun from Metz, a nice filter and good glass. But in this case, i feel that the body in combination with glass is the limiting factor

Well, I am really sincerely sorry that I mentioned things that were sensitive to you.

It was just my 2 cents.

Anyway, all the best in getting a camera.

Hope you can share your experience with us.

Oh yeah, about your gallery? Can share some shots with us?

empire23, really hope you'll get either cam and pair it with a good L lens.


This post has been edited by calvin_gsc: Aug 28 2007, 02:21 PM

Of course it won't. But neither would some cheapie lenses maximize a 1D or 5D

I second that!

But...

it also depends... A good photographer can use any P&S cam and yet produce the best photographs ever.

I personally think photos are not based on just gears. But primarily it's the photog's intuition, perception and imagination. Experience plays a very very big role too.

seems to me, you had some history with empy huh? Other ppl's comments are about some other alternatives apart from the 5D and 1D. I do sense some "personal attack" on empy in your posts.

-happy shooting-

My bad nairud, that's why I apologized...

Wont repeat it.