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chocobo7779
post Feb 22 2021, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Feb 22 2021, 03:49 PM)
fuh now even got the new boxed 10105f on sale in malaysia, rm369 in kk, 0.1Ghz higher clock than 10100f. Faster than i7 7700, insane budget cpu.
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Wasn't that the 10100F is just slightly slower than the 10105F, and costs RM40 less? hmm.gif
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post Feb 22 2021, 05:02 PM

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Potentially the best value gaming CPU of 2021? brows.gif

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-i5-1...-core-benchmark

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post Mar 6 2021, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Mar 6 2021, 08:42 AM)
https://www.anandtech.com/show/16535/intel-...-rocket-lake/19

11700K really seems disappointing without overclocking. The core-to-core and L3 cache latency regressions vs Comet Lake means 5800X still easily beats it in gaming.

Power consumption when TDP is ignored, without manual core multiplier settings is also worse than Comet Lake - 225W for most work, 290W for AVX-512. Although to be fair, it's the only desktop chip that does AVX-512 right now.

Given the leaked pricing, I think the 8-cores appear to be a bust, 6-core value chips is where RKL will shine the most as it's much more competitively priced against the 5600X there.
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Slower than the 10700K in some games and consumes nearly twice the amount of power than the 5800X sweat.gif

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Also, looks like you need a high end AIO or a custom water cooling loop, if this is true:

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The cooler we’re using on this test is arguably the best air cooling on the market – a 1.8 kilogram full copper ThermalRight Ultra Extreme, paired with a 170 CFM high static pressure fan from Silverstone. This cooler has been used for Intel’s 10-core and 18-core high-end desktop variants over the years, even the ones with AVX-512, and not skipped a beat. Because we’re seeing 104ºC here, are we failing in some way?
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post Mar 6 2021, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(zack.gap @ Mar 6 2021, 10:15 AM)
Honestly Intel flopped this generation. They’re trying to bait consumers by accepting preorders 2 weeks before NDA (riding on AMD’s chip shortage) and no wonder. A hotter chip that’s pricier across the board and can’t even beat their AMD equivalent in 90% of benchmarks. Unless the 11700k is somehow magically the only bad apple in the barrel, I say wait for alder lake instead.
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Yeah, this seems like Intel has rushed the chip as an emergency stopgap to compete with Zen 3 hmm.gif

Looks like Rocket Lake is another Pentium Extreme Edition/FX-9590 sweat.gif

Intel shouldn't have released this chip and they should have put those resources into developing Alder Lake instead hmm.gif
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post Jun 19 2021, 09:36 PM

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jun 16 2021, 03:05 PM)
I would trust intel more, plenty of intel cpus running super hot on intel macbooks and never really heard macbooks died from cpu failure, mostly from corroded connectors etc
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CPU failure due to heat is rare for both AMD and Intel as they have built in protection mechanism that prevents this to happen (this is why CPUs throttle when overheating) tongue.gif

On the other hand however things like excessive voltage can really kill a CPU sweat.gif

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post Jun 19 2021, 09:39 PM

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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Jun 17 2021, 07:33 PM)
FCBGA1787  hmm.gif  10nm  flex.gif


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IMHO they should have brought Tiger Lake onto desktops rather than trying to backport an old 10nm architecture to 14nm as Tiger Lake (especially the 45W ones in gaming laptops) are quite good performance wise icon_idea.gif

It's a bit weird to see Intel's best performing chip is a laptop chip sweat.gif

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post Jun 19 2021, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(targon @ May 31 2021, 01:39 PM)
Another review on waste of sand. Its in Russian. 11700kf vs 5800x, 10700k & 10900k
Pay close attention to the 1% and 0.1% results. This where it matters most.

https://i2hard.ru/publications/27482/
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IMHO I'd just stick to the 10700K or the 10900K, going Rocket Lake isn't worth for the price premium IMHO (the prices of decent Z590 boards are a sticker shock for many people) sweat.gif
At the very least decently priced Z490 boards are quite easy to get icon_idea.gif

...plus with the 10900K you get better multithreaded performance too icon_idea.gif

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QUOTE(ZzZzCcCc @ May 23 2021, 12:00 PM)
Nex gen shd be new board wiv ddr5 liao izit , thn ddr5 RAM cost another bomb too  sweat.gif
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Note that if history was of any indication DDR5 memory may not perform better than good DDR4 sticks (see the transition from DDR3 to DDR4 a few years ago) icon_idea.gif
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post Jun 19 2021, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(ZzZzCcCc @ May 23 2021, 11:05 AM)
Hi wana ask r5 2600 to i5 11400f izit a wise move? I can sell my r5 + mobo and topup RM600 only to buy i5 11400f + B560 mobo  .
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What board is that? If you have a decent B450/B550/X470 board then you should keep it as you will have a larger upgrade path than going B560 (note that the 11700 will be the best CPU you can upgrade on the B560 board, and if the VRMs of the B560 board is poor, you may end up getting less performance due to VRM throttling) icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jun 19 2021, 09:59 PM)
Bonchi haha there was ryzen 3600 that died from sudden spike in temp right?
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That being said though, CPU failures do exist, so that's why we have warranties and RMAs icon_idea.gif
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post Aug 2 2021, 04:14 AM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jul 28 2021, 12:25 PM)
Bodo Intel as usual. Does something that no one asks or cares about.
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To be fair though, all three semiconductor foundries (i.e. Intel/TSMC/Samsung) no longer uses standardized process nodes for quite some time - those nanometer figures are mostly marketing speak right now due to different measures of transistor density by foundries tongue.gif

For instance Intel's 10nm is more comparable to TSMC 7nm icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(zzzz52 @ Oct 25 2024, 09:10 AM)
it is just sad that intel did not provide a good cpu this generation to compete with AMD. the pricing for the new 9800x3d must be through the roof later.

What cpu to upgrade to now?
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7800X3D or Intel's 12th Gen icon_idea.gif
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post Oct 26 2024, 06:43 AM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Oct 25 2024, 05:46 PM)
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285k min fps is 24fps in Guardians of the Galaxy.

That's slower than a PoS4 and xbone running the same game. I thought this was an error because this review from OC3D was leaked early, but turns out it's not.
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Looks like some kind of scheduling issues perhaps? The 9600X seems to exhibit something similar sweat.gif
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post Oct 26 2024, 06:49 AM

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QUOTE(solarmystic @ Oct 25 2024, 08:13 AM)
As previously alluded to in my post before this one, Arrow Lake is a disaster for gaming  rclxms.gif



And here's the money shot, absolutely bottom tier performance in Cyberpunk 2077 kekw  rclxm9.gif

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AMD has carte blanche to sell the 9800X3D for 500++ USD and get away with it now, heck the 7800X3Ds are already going for at least 450 to 480 USD if you can even find them. They are mostly out of stock already lol.
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Arrow Lake in a nutshell:

1. Poor gaming performance, even compared to the 5700/5800X3D (the latter is on a much cheaper platform)
2. Not very efficient
3. High prices, especially cost of entry to the platform
4. No or very little upgrade path for future CPUs
5. Requires very expensive RAM (DDR5 7200/8200) to perform adequately
6. Despite being made on a superior process node (TSMC N3) and is several nodes ahead of Intel's 10nm it has little improvements in performance and efficiency
7. Potential stability issues
8. Made using very expensive tech like Foveros, which renders price cuts very difficult

The only saving grace? Its iGPU, but that's a moot point if you are looking for iGPU performance sweat.gif

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Oct 26 2024, 11:32 AM)
Just wait for next gen. This is like Zen 1. And last minute cancellation of 20A screws Intel over. Not enough testing on TSMC chips.
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Zen 1 or the new Rocket Lake? You decide icon_idea.gif

But yeah, it seems like Intel is in big trouble if 18A is a flop sweat.gif

It's also worth noting that Nova Lake isn't arriving any time soon for the next 2 years sweat.gif

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Oct 26 2024, 01:39 PM)
New design. Backside power delivery is one of them.
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Seems like Intel is going all in for 18A hmm.gif
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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ Oct 28 2024, 09:10 PM)
maybe after some update down the road will get better performance?
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Probably, but don't expect any miracles from it sweat.gif
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A somewhat more positive review of the 285K:


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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Oct 26 2024, 05:48 PM)
Yup yup.

It's unfortunate because Lunar Lake is performing very well and is very efficient, much more than AMD's mobile offerings. Too bad the same can't be said for ARL-S.

Btw AM5 being supported until 27/28 does not mean that Zen 6 will be released on it. AMD is doing a major redesign for Zen 6, fixing many of the major flaws (namely the IO die) released Zens so far. They might actually need an entirely new socket for that.
Not seems like, they were already all-in on 18A since the beginning of the year:
https://www.extremetech.com/computing/intel...its-18a-process
https://www.intc.com/news-events/press-rele...er-to-employees

ARL-S is a product he probably didn't want to release but couldn't back out of due to revenue issues. They HAVE to sell it, even if it sucks. This was a similar situation AMD had with their infamous Bulldozer, Piledriver, Excavator - FX gen CPUs, of course AMD was in a much worse shape than Intel currently is in now as they were damn near bankrupt.

Right now they have to make sure their foundry for 18A does not fuck up in the next 6 months. Panther Lake next year is a very huge deal for them.
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It's unfortunate because Lunar Lake is performing very well and is very efficient, much more than AMD's mobile offerings. Too bad the same can't be said for ARL-S.
Well looks like LNL is an one off it seems:
https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-panther-l...future-products

For me, the whole Arrow Lake launch looks like they're attempting at a complete reset of performance expectations; it's quite obvious they have pushed ADL too much to the point it practically breaks the silicon itself sweat.gif
Let just hope they can compete from an architectural standpoint instead of pushing clocks and powers to unsustainable heights icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Oct 28 2024, 09:08 PM)
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why so slow



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