11700K really seems disappointing without overclocking. The core-to-core and L3 cache latency regressions vs Comet Lake means 5800X still easily beats it in gaming.
Power consumption when TDP is ignored, without manual core multiplier settings is also worse than Comet Lake - 225W for most work, 290W for AVX-512. Although to be fair, it's the only desktop chip that does AVX-512 right now.
Given the leaked pricing, I think the 8-cores appear to be a bust, 6-core value chips is where RKL will shine the most as it's much more competitively priced against the 5600X there.
Slower than the 10700K in some games and consumes nearly twice the amount of power than the 5800X
Also, looks like you need a high end AIO or a custom water cooling loop, if this is true:
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The cooler we’re using on this test is arguably the best air cooling on the market – a 1.8 kilogram full copper ThermalRight Ultra Extreme, paired with a 170 CFM high static pressure fan from Silverstone. This cooler has been used for Intel’s 10-core and 18-core high-end desktop variants over the years, even the ones with AVX-512, and not skipped a beat. Because we’re seeing 104ºC here, are we failing in some way?
Honestly Intel flopped this generation. They’re trying to bait consumers by accepting preorders 2 weeks before NDA (riding on AMD’s chip shortage) and no wonder. A hotter chip that’s pricier across the board and can’t even beat their AMD equivalent in 90% of benchmarks. Unless the 11700k is somehow magically the only bad apple in the barrel, I say wait for alder lake instead.
Yeah, this seems like Intel has rushed the chip as an emergency stopgap to compete with Zen 3
Looks like Rocket Lake is another Pentium Extreme Edition/FX-9590
Intel shouldn't have released this chip and they should have put those resources into developing Alder Lake instead
I would trust intel more, plenty of intel cpus running super hot on intel macbooks and never really heard macbooks died from cpu failure, mostly from corroded connectors etc
CPU failure due to heat is rare for both AMD and Intel as they have built in protection mechanism that prevents this to happen (this is why CPUs throttle when overheating)
On the other hand however things like excessive voltage can really kill a CPU
This post has been edited by chocobo7779: Jun 19 2021, 09:37 PM
IMHO they should have brought Tiger Lake onto desktops rather than trying to backport an old 10nm architecture to 14nm as Tiger Lake (especially the 45W ones in gaming laptops) are quite good performance wise
It's a bit weird to see Intel's best performing chip is a laptop chip
Another review on waste of sand. Its in Russian. 11700kf vs 5800x, 10700k & 10900k Pay close attention to the 1% and 0.1% results. This where it matters most.
IMHO I'd just stick to the 10700K or the 10900K, going Rocket Lake isn't worth for the price premium IMHO (the prices of decent Z590 boards are a sticker shock for many people) At the very least decently priced Z490 boards are quite easy to get
...plus with the 10900K you get better multithreaded performance too
This post has been edited by chocobo7779: Jun 19 2021, 09:47 PM
Nex gen shd be new board wiv ddr5 liao izit , thn ddr5 RAM cost another bomb too
Note that if history was of any indication DDR5 memory may not perform better than good DDR4 sticks (see the transition from DDR3 to DDR4 a few years ago)
Hi wana ask r5 2600 to i5 11400f izit a wise move? I can sell my r5 + mobo and topup RM600 only to buy i5 11400f + B560 mobo .
What board is that? If you have a decent B450/B550/X470 board then you should keep it as you will have a larger upgrade path than going B560 (note that the 11700 will be the best CPU you can upgrade on the B560 board, and if the VRMs of the B560 board is poor, you may end up getting less performance due to VRM throttling)
Bodo Intel as usual. Does something that no one asks or cares about.
To be fair though, all three semiconductor foundries (i.e. Intel/TSMC/Samsung) no longer uses standardized process nodes for quite some time - those nanometer figures are mostly marketing speak right now due to different measures of transistor density by foundries
For instance Intel's 10nm is more comparable to TSMC 7nm
it is just sad that intel did not provide a good cpu this generation to compete with AMD. the pricing for the new 9800x3d must be through the roof later.
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285k min fps is 24fps in Guardians of the Galaxy.
That's slower than a PoS4 and xbone running the same game. I thought this was an error because this review from OC3D was leaked early, but turns out it's not.
Looks like some kind of scheduling issues perhaps? The 9600X seems to exhibit something similar
As previously alluded to in my post before this one, Arrow Lake is a disaster for gaming
And here's the money shot, absolutely bottom tier performance in Cyberpunk 2077 kekw
AMD has carte blanche to sell the 9800X3D for 500++ USD and get away with it now, heck the 7800X3Ds are already going for at least 450 to 480 USD if you can even find them. They are mostly out of stock already lol.
Arrow Lake in a nutshell:
1. Poor gaming performance, even compared to the 5700/5800X3D (the latter is on a much cheaper platform) 2. Not very efficient 3. High prices, especially cost of entry to the platform 4. No or very little upgrade path for future CPUs 5. Requires very expensive RAM (DDR5 7200/8200) to perform adequately 6. Despite being made on a superior process node (TSMC N3) and is several nodes ahead of Intel's 10nm it has little improvements in performance and efficiency 7. Potential stability issues 8. Made using very expensive tech like Foveros, which renders price cuts very difficult
The only saving grace? Its iGPU, but that's a moot point if you are looking for iGPU performance
This post has been edited by chocobo7779: Oct 26 2024, 02:11 PM
It's unfortunate because Lunar Lake is performing very well and is very efficient, much more than AMD's mobile offerings. Too bad the same can't be said for ARL-S.
ARL-S is a product he probably didn't want to release but couldn't back out of due to revenue issues. They HAVE to sell it, even if it sucks. This was a similar situation AMD had with their infamous Bulldozer, Piledriver, Excavator - FX gen CPUs, of course AMD was in a much worse shape than Intel currently is in now as they were damn near bankrupt.
Right now they have to make sure their foundry for 18A does not fuck up in the next 6 months. Panther Lake next year is a very huge deal for them.
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It's unfortunate because Lunar Lake is performing very well and is very efficient, much more than AMD's mobile offerings. Too bad the same can't be said for ARL-S.
For me, the whole Arrow Lake launch looks like they're attempting at a complete reset of performance expectations; it's quite obvious they have pushed ADL too much to the point it practically breaks the silicon itself Let just hope they can compete from an architectural standpoint instead of pushing clocks and powers to unsustainable heights