Hi is 12700F around RM800 for new is worth to buy?? building a new pc in this month? Should go i7 14700f? around 1.1k? Thank you

Right now 12Gens value for money and does not have degradation issue. 13 & 14Gens even nonK seems like got affected altho Intel says its fixed after bios 0x129 microcode. Both have 8 Pcores only diff is later gens got moar useless Ecores.

If your use not thread dependent & that 500mhz higher cannot feel then 12Gen is better & less problems. Just go with a mobo that can unleash PL2 limit.

Cyberpunk 2077 update 2.2 claims to improve Arrow Lake performance by up to 33%

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/...ryzen-7-7800x3d

I tried the latest Cyberpunk 2077 update on a new Intel CPU, and it’s 91% faster
https://www.pcgamesn.com/intel/cyberpunk-20...lake-benchmarks

This post has been edited by Skylinestar: Dec 13 2024, 05:49 PM

Just building a mainstream Gaming pc wiht rtx 4060. Too bad cant get 12gen 12700F for 800. Might go 14400.
14 gen 6 core can on par wiht 12 gen 12700 series? Thank you for reply.

Intel GPU is the saviour?

Yeah, glowing reviews for Intel B580.

You gotta be fast if want flash sales.

In some apps it will be same or better if compare on MHZ but if thread count 12700 might have edge as 2 extra faster Pcores vs more slower Ecores.

14Gen i5 will do fine for 95% cases, dont worry to get if theres good deals.

As I said, Intel Arc issue isnt hardware but software which needs a lot of optimisation & maturity. Game developers also not yet optimise theirs for Arc ecosystem unlike native support for NVIDIA & AMD. Both teams need only minor driver tweaks with 1st Day patches for games to run fine while Intel needs weeks to get a proper game driver out after launch.

Game development take 2-3 years to do so lets see in 1-2 year time when games also natively build up for Arc along RTX & AMD and if Intel driver maturity means can be quick to release 1st Day hotfixes, if Arc wants to stand on par with green & red.

Thats provided Intel still wants to do GPU business now that both pushers Raja & Pat is gone.

After reading reviews, my summarised take. Its a generational jump improvement similar to 20series -> 30series.

It beat A770 easily with that GPU being a tier higher. It did very well against current gens, but I think its still not enuff to beat 5060/8600 when they willl come out later. It still has a price advantage over them as I suppose Nvidia & AMD will price theirs from $300 (vs $250 for B580).

The 12GB VRAM is a good push for decent size in budget segment but I doubt both Nvidia/AMD will tweak their upcoming gen budget GPUS to counter, as GPU specs would have been baked in months before launch. Both are likely to stick with 8GB VRAM unless they finally realised its not enuff anymore for xx60/x600 class tier.

EDIT: Locally here, knowing that distros/dealers likes to price hardware according to their performance level rather than follow global market pricing, I am gonna expect B580 will be priced here closer to 4060/5060 local launch MSRP or maybe slightly higher rather than a RM 230 ($50) price gap difference.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Dec 13 2024, 04:35 PM

but but butttt ray tracing where?

This post has been edited by Skylinestar: Dec 13 2024, 05:50 PM

is there any game that make a big difference from 6c to 8c (P cores)?

Its not so much a difference than a requirement for even medium setting in games nowadays

Thanks for clarified, so will grab a i5 14400 jump from 3rd gen i7 3770k , 12 years old never change my pc
Still using my old GTX 1660S 6GB wait for next pay day only upgrade RTX 4060

Imho try wait for 5060 out and see what deals you can get. 1660S to 4060 isnt a too big jump that you might expect. To keep within same tier, try to get 4060TI 16GB instead.

Saw the reviews and benchmarks for B580, really tempting on the performance.

With that I need some advise. As I am near 40, i have been playing more indies and racing games like EA wrc rally. I am also looking forward to monster hunter wilds as well.

Is this sufficient enough for my current 1080p 144hz monitor ? And if I upgrade to QHD monitor is it enough as well ?

Thanks.

This post has been edited by Fatimus: Dec 14 2024, 02:38 PM

For indie games, stick to nvidia/amd. Most developers havent really optimise for Intel arc so performance may be sketchy or take ages for driver support.

Everyone kept avoiding Intel and hoping that developer would support Intel soon... LOL...

Your logic work that way?

Really?

So poorer 3rd World budget gamers who would prolly had to plonk in months of income for their shiny new GPU just to find out they made a bad choice with Intel when the games they wanted to play either is unsupported at Day 1, or buggy as hell and they have no way to return it for refund or exchange without massive $$ loss unlike those in the West, and now their stuck with a GPU that will take weeks or even months (heck even never for obscure indie games as mentioned) to be properly supported, ruing their decision to take the risks with a brand new player and contemplating whether to start saving money... again,.. to buy another budget GPU from more established brands, and never will listen to lowyaters cuz advice given was not with their money?

I guess its up to OP to decide which logic works better for them huh?

Look, if you know the value of RM, budget gamers arent in a position where its easy to buy a 2nd GPU or return for full refund. So until Intel up their software support & drivers game massively, I will still reco Nvidia/AMD to budget gamers for hassle free Day 1 ready gaming. If you have the money to try out, sure go ahead. But budget gamers rarely do have that backup.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Dec 24 2024, 11:14 AM

https://www.techspot.com/news/106173-intel-...arrow-lake.html

Intel's latest microcode update fails to fix Arrow Lake performance issues.

The troubled Core CPUs are now even worse in gaming than they were before.

Update causes a significant performance drop in Cyberpunk 2077, reducing frame rates by approximately 20 percent.

This post has been edited by Skylinestar: Jan 3 2025, 12:56 PM

MCM tech isnt easy to get right at first iteration, looking at Ryzen 1000series and Radeon 7000series. Software can only go so much to correct inherent hardware design mistakes. Wait for at least Core 300 or even 400 generation for Intel to get right.