Fixed

This is a fantastic tool for optimization

https://frzyc.github.io/genshin-optimizer/

32.2k no buffs


34.1k after noblesse 4pc buff


41k after noblesse 4pc and bennett Q buff


HP mod is just an additional mod, it converts 33% of it as a bonus dmg to zhongli Q, his Q dmg still takes on atk as main mod, so yes it does boost their dps. You'd need to do the math on your side to see if your atk gears are worth trading off for your current hp gears, since gear stats are a major RNG factor, odds are sometimes you have a better atk based gear that performs better than your current hp based gears.

For support DPS Fischl yeah E would be a priority

Dont quite get your swirl question, aura?

ATK boosts all kinds of damage. Normal attacks, E, Q, everything. That why Bennett is S tier support.
Noblesse boosts all atks. ATK modifier is for all damage. Zhongli's Q is his total dmg + 33% of his HP so yes he gets the ATK buff too.

This is also why every support can just wear 4set Noblesse and be good. Don't know what artifact to wear for support? Just put 4x Noblesse you can't go wrong

I would recommend it only for supports who can do ele burst often though.

So hard farming Gladiator set. I got this after spending hours fighting Anemo and Geo Hypostasis.

So happy got Crit Rate!





This post has been edited by derthvadar: Mar 11 2021, 11:29 PM

Hmmm, 20% ATK increase from Noblesse buff on Zhongli only increase his Burst damage by 2k? That's a measly 6%!
No wonder I really can't tell the difference. The Zhongli I was playing with does like 20k burst only. So roughly 1k extra, which is hardly noticeable lol.

What I meant with the swirl was, when swirl occurs, it doesn't neutralize the aura element (elemental debuff) that I've applied on the enemy? Hypothetically, I applied pyro element on a Hilichurl & then use Sucrose to swirl. The pryo debuff seems to remain on the Hilichurl even after the swirl occurred? That's normal right?

Ok ok, so all the damage from E, Q & even AA derives from ATK. But some characters are unique that they have additional damage modifiers based on other substats e.g. HP for HuTao & Zhongli or DEF for Albedo & Noelle.

No wonder people still use Bennett to boost HuTao's damage even though her ATK is miserably low.

Short Q cooldown & low energy requirement, those are the ideal criteria. But like Szzz said, if dunno what to put on the support....buta buta put 4 Noblesse also can make them useful sometimes (whenever their Q is ready )

nice! i got a similar feather (er instead of em)

er 10.4%
atk% 14.6%
cr 7.0%
cd 7.8%

Swirl doesn't have any elemental reaction, it simply takes the first element it comes in contact with. So you throw Sucrose Q on a pyro, the swirl becomes pyro.

This post has been edited by valho: Mar 11 2021, 11:44 PM

Technically swirl is an elemental reaction I think. It's often listed together with the rest of Genshin's elemental reactions. But yea, the way it works seems like it's not an elemental reaction cause the initial element that I've applied on the monster remains there even after I've triggered swirl. It did spread the aura element (elemental debuff) to nearby monsters though.

I'm still trying to learn about Sucrose & swirls as I'm building a new team.

I use Sucrose + Xiangling go burn Hilicurls for fun.

Now you know, NO did increase the attack that then increase the initial damage of Zhongli burst, which is before the addition of the HP%.

Anyway, swirl can be quite complex. If you want to maximise elemental reaction, read the aura/gauge theory in the link below. Basically it explains some elements application are strong or weak. And anemo is the weakest, but that's why anemo can cause several swirl before the 'aura' from another element disappear.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-...7vNdI1uLAtW/pub

Also Anemo MC hold E causes around 5 swirls, which is quite good at breaking shields. One of my favourite skills to use, especially with Festering Desire.

Dayum, your idea of fun is really brutal haha. Can't imagine the joy you'll get once Yaoyao is released. Dendro + pyro reaction is damn painful.

Did you geared up your Sucrose? I'm not sure whether to go EM Sucrose or ATK Sucrose. My Sucrose is C6, that's the only reason I'm looking into building her lol.

So far, I've noticed that swirl will do Anemo damage plus elemental damage of the element it swirled with. Essentially, swirl reaction creates 2 types of damage. So now I'm wondering, Sucrose ATK will increase her Anemo damage while EM will increase the other elemental damage she does?

My Sucrose I don't remember how many C. Skills mostly level 4 but I give her decent artifacts.

A few swirls can charge up, then go disturb Hilicurls - put guoba in the middle and then anemo burst.

Watch them burn.

Her damage is based on EM.

Yup. But swirl elemental damage has one weakness.
It can’t crit. That’s why it can’t deal really huge damage and people generally aren’t too bothered by it.
But the base anemo damage that causes it can crit.

This post has been edited by LegendLee: Mar 12 2021, 09:27 AM

no wonder i didnt see any diff as well zzz... base atk too low haha...

I guess you can say that it's reaction is to take the element it comes in contact with and because swirl can only take the initial element, when you swirl pyro, that pyro will spread to whatever that get hits by the swirl. Swirl is a very good method to spread element without needing to use AOE skill, like you can swirl a camp fire and spread that pyro to mobs nearby. Or you can drop Ganyu E and swirl it with Sucrose E or Q, instant AOE.

Swirl are mostly use to reduce elemental res on mobs, so that your DPS that is using the same element that is being swirl can do more damage. Another use is it's a very good CC. Basically Swirl + VV = very good damage buff.

Sucrose attack does anemo damage. It's anemo and not swirl. Anemo and swirl is different. Anemo is green/teal colour. Swirl is when anemo meets pyro/hydro/cyro/electro. Try observing the damage number and colours. Let's say you hit an enemy that is inflicted with pyro. There will be 2 numbers, 1st is green, which is Sucrose anemo damage, the second will be red, which is swirl damage, and it is not pyro damage. The distinction is important in considering the effects of equipment.

I got a C1 Sucrose, level 80, 560 EM, and using VV set does around 2287 swirl damage. Swirl is only dependent on level and EM value, VV does increase swirl damage though. Currently I'm using Mappa Mara, and ER,EM,EM artifacts. I'll swith the artiifact to EM,EM,EM if I get Sacrificial Fragments. She's not the main DPS. She stills a group killer though. Easily clear the previous Floor 12 Chamber 1 first half that has many mobs.

If you're planning to make Sucrose C6 main DPS, use attack%, Anemo% and Crit%, and VV set..

gratz! thats a pretty good piece, not god roll but very close, 10+ cr is alot for a substat, plus the rest of the stats are prime too