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post Mar 12 2021, 01:24 PM

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post Mar 12 2021, 01:38 PM

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i have not play a romance game before and can't believe i be playing a semi one in Genshin... hahaha

at least there be primogems rewards...
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post Mar 12 2021, 01:54 PM

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Have you checked out a canon team composition? Put ningguang, beidou, Lisa, and of course lumine in one team, and it'll activate elemental resonance "seductive fragrance". Its effects are "when against male treasure hoarder, attack, crit% and crit rate increase by 25%.

Damn, Lumine in manga is really living the life.
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post Mar 12 2021, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Mar 12 2021, 09:27 AM)
Yup. But swirl elemental damage has one weakness.
It can’t crit. That’s why it can’t deal really huge damage and people generally aren’t too bothered by it.
But the base anemo damage that causes it can crit.
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Yea I just read about it can't crit several hours ago. Was confused at first cause I'm pretty sure I saw some Sucrose players pump up crits. I guess those are main DPS Sucrose. I'm not really sure how I wanna build her yet, still learning & considering my options.

QUOTE(valho @ Mar 12 2021, 10:36 AM)
I guess you can say that it's reaction is to take the element it comes in contact with and because swirl can only take the initial element, when you swirl pyro, that pyro will spread to whatever that get hits by the swirl. Swirl is a very good method to spread element without needing to use AOE skill, like you can swirl a camp fire and spread that pyro to mobs nearby. Or you can drop Ganyu E and swirl it with Sucrose E or Q, instant AOE.

Swirl are mostly use to reduce elemental res on mobs, so that your DPS that is using the same element that is being swirl can do more damage. Another use is it's a very good CC. Basically Swirl + VV = very good damage buff.
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Sucrose brings a lot of utility support to the team indeed. So the 1st step for me is to understand the utilities that she brings i.e. CC, resistance shred, EM buffs, spread aura elements etc. From there only will know how to fully maximize her utility potential.

QUOTE(zemega @ Mar 12 2021, 11:28 AM)
Sucrose attack does anemo damage. It's anemo and not swirl. Anemo and swirl is different. Anemo is green/teal colour. Swirl is when anemo meets pyro/hydro/cyro/electro. Try observing the damage number and colours. Let's say you hit an enemy that is inflicted with pyro. There will be 2 numbers, 1st is green, which is Sucrose anemo damage, the second will be red, which is swirl damage, and it is not pyro damage. The distinction is important in considering the effects of equipment.

I got a C1 Sucrose, level 80, 560 EM, and using VV set does around 2287 swirl damage. Swirl is only dependent on level and EM value, VV does increase swirl damage though. Currently I'm using Mappa Mara, and ER,EM,EM artifacts. I'll swith the artiifact to EM,EM,EM if I get Sacrificial Fragments. She's not the main DPS. She stills a group killer though. Easily clear the previous Floor 12 Chamber 1 first half that has many mobs.

If you're planning to make Sucrose C6 main DPS, use attack%, Anemo% and Crit%, and VV set..
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I'm guessing you're currently playing Sucrose as a AoE Burst? I don't intend to play her as a main DPS cause I probably wanna mix her with Keqing or HuTao or Childe. So if it's just using her as a Q & E spam, I should just pump up her EM to maximize her swirl damage?
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post Mar 12 2021, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(NightHeart @ Mar 12 2021, 01:56 PM)
I'm guessing you're currently playing Sucrose as a AoE Burst? I don't intend to play her as a main DPS cause I probably wanna mix her with Keqing or HuTao or Childe. So if it's just using her as a Q & E spam, I should just pump up her EM to maximize her swirl damage?
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I'm playing her more like a support stagger currently. In Abbys floor 11 second half. She can easily stagger the treasure hoarder. If you have sacrificial fragments, then go full EM. 3 times E should be enough to recharge your Q. She can also clear out the cicin in floor 12 chamber 2 pretty fast.

Even if you play her as main DPS, she still needs someone as to apply element for her to swirl.

Anemo can crit, swirl does not.
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post Mar 12 2021, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(NightHeart @ Mar 12 2021, 01:56 PM)
Yea I just read about it can't crit several hours ago. Was confused at first cause I'm pretty sure I saw some Sucrose players pump up crits. I guess those are main DPS Sucrose. I'm not really sure how I wanna build her yet, still learning & considering my options.
Sucrose brings a lot of utility support to the team indeed. So the 1st step for me is to understand the utilities that she brings i.e. CC, resistance shred, EM buffs, spread aura elements etc. From there only will know how to fully maximize her utility potential.
I'm guessing you're currently playing Sucrose as a AoE Burst? I don't intend to play her as a main DPS cause I probably wanna mix her with Keqing or HuTao or Childe. So if it's just using her as a Q & E spam, I should just pump up her EM to maximize her swirl damage?
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you either build her as an EM aoe nuker finisher or VV battery support in general, anything else is just meme-ing laugh.gif if youre gonna build her as crit based DPS, youre pretty much gonna get alot better results from other units with similar investments. But whatever that floats ppls boat you know, some ppl just wanna use sucrose that way.

The main question you should ask yourself is how does she actually fit in to your current available team comp to min max your line up potential, decide and work from there, you'd get a clearer picture how youd wanna build her.
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post Mar 12 2021, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Mar 12 2021, 01:24 PM)
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holy moly i really hope it doesnt extend my daily play time too much with this laugh.gif might struggle to fit in spare playtimes for these, looks awesome tho
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post Mar 12 2021, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(Zen Qiu Gaming @ Mar 12 2021, 02:11 PM)
holy moly i really hope it doesnt extend my daily play time too much with this  laugh.gif might struggle to fit in spare playtimes for these, looks awesome tho
I lazy to play sometimes, just log in clear resin.

Even Hu Tao story I've yet to complete.


QUOTE(Zen Qiu Gaming @ Mar 12 2021, 02:08 PM)
you either build her as an EM aoe nuker finisher or VV battery support in general, anything else is just meme-ing laugh.gif if youre gonna build her as crit based DPS, youre pretty much gonna get alot better results from other units with similar investments. But whatever that floats ppls boat you know, some ppl just wanna use sucrose that way.
I haven't found a good place to use her ............ UNTIL I do electro domain. biggrin.gif

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post Mar 12 2021, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(zemega @ Mar 12 2021, 02:06 PM)
I'm playing her more like a support stagger currently. In Abbys floor 11 second half. She can easily stagger the treasure hoarder. If you have sacrificial fragments, then go full EM. 3 times E should be enough to recharge your Q. She can also clear out the cicin in floor 12 chamber 2 pretty fast.

Even if you play her as main DPS, she still needs someone as to apply element for her to swirl.

Anemo can crit, swirl does not.
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That bolded part is good news indeed! Haha.
I've managed to reach floor 12 now. Hence, I'm looking into strategies to clear it.

QUOTE(Zen Qiu Gaming @ Mar 12 2021, 02:08 PM)
you either build her as an EM aoe nuker finisher or VV battery support in general, anything else is just meme-ing laugh.gif if youre gonna build her as crit based DPS, youre pretty much gonna get alot better results from other units with similar investments. But whatever that floats ppls boat you know, some ppl just wanna use sucrose that way.

The main question you should ask yourself is how does she actually fit in to your current available team comp to min max your line up potential, decide and work from there, you'd get a clearer picture how youd wanna build her.
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AoE Nuker sounds fine. Like you said, better put that amount of investment into a main DPS. I'll probably pair her up with Keqing cause I just built Keqing. Tried to play Keqing a bit yesterday, didn't really like it. The camera angles keep jumping around & zoomed in frequently. So I can't even see where's my Keqing & don't know what I'm doing most of the time. Just spamming left clicks with E & hope something dies. Pretty sure I'm playing Keqing wrongly there.
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post Mar 12 2021, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(NightHeart @ Mar 12 2021, 02:15 PM)
AoE Nuker sounds fine. Like you said, better put that amount of investment into a main DPS. I'll probably pair her up with Keqing cause I just built Keqing. Tried to play Keqing a bit yesterday, didn't really like it. The camera angles keep jumping around & zoomed in frequently. So I can't even see where's my Keqing & don't know what I'm doing most of the time. Just spamming left clicks with E & hope something dies. Pretty sure I'm playing Keqing wrongly there.
If you play at slopes or near walls it's pretty much going to be shitty.

Some more she hits hard and super fast, also if you spam attack the 5th move makes her dash + attack.

Try to avoid her 5th hit because it's time consuming, gets her out of position and doesn't do that much damage for the time spent.

My attacks is Blink slash 1 2 3 4 Charged attack. A lot more damage done than just 1 2 3 4 5.

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post Mar 12 2021, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(NightHeart @ Mar 12 2021, 02:15 PM)
That bolded part is good news indeed! Haha.
I've managed to reach floor 12 now. Hence, I'm looking into strategies to clear it.
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Just the cicin okay, not the cicin mage. But since the cryo cicin mage is surrounded by ice shield, swirling the mage does trigger swirl that damages the cicin flying around.
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post Mar 12 2021, 02:29 PM

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I am the other way around. I main Keqing from the start and can't get used to other DPS since most of them are not as fast as Keqing lol Tried them and in the end go back to her
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QUOTE(NightHeart @ Mar 12 2021, 02:15 PM)
AoE Nuker sounds fine. Like you said, better put that amount of investment into a main DPS. I'll probably pair her up with Keqing cause I just built Keqing. Tried to play Keqing a bit yesterday, didn't really like it. The camera angles keep jumping around & zoomed in frequently. So I can't even see where's my Keqing & don't know what I'm doing most of the time. Just spamming left clicks with E & hope something dies. Pretty sure I'm playing Keqing wrongly there.
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I started the game with keqing so maybe it was something i got used to, her E like venti's Q auto targets the nearest target (or in venti Q's case with no target, whatever position hes facing), positioning was something i was used to in other games, so it didnt really posed much of an issue for me, you can manually aim keqing E as well by holding E and aim. Her auto attack blink final attack where she lunges actually lunge towards the camera direction youre facing, so you can auto and do a 180 turn with your camera and she will lunge behind. But yeah preference plays a huge role as well, i know some ppl cant take on her playstyle as well and drop her in favor of other units, so its fine, its better to choose a main DPS youre really comfortable with cuz challenging content for long periods on units ur not ok with really sucks out the fun laugh.gif
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post Mar 12 2021, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(malakus @ Mar 12 2021, 02:29 PM)
I am the other way around. I main Keqing from the start and can't get used to other DPS since most of them are not as fast as Keqing lol Tried them and in the end go back to her
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laugh.gif same here, now im stuck with swordies and pole arm users cuz i cant get used to slow claymores
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post Mar 12 2021, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(NightHeart @ Mar 12 2021, 02:15 PM)
That bolded part is good news indeed! Haha.
I've managed to reach floor 12 now. Hence, I'm looking into strategies to clear it.
AoE Nuker sounds fine. Like you said, better put that amount of investment into a main DPS. I'll probably pair her up with Keqing cause I just built Keqing. Tried to play Keqing a bit yesterday, didn't really like it. The camera angles keep jumping around & zoomed in frequently. So I can't even see where's my Keqing & don't know what I'm doing most of the time. Just spamming left clicks with E & hope something dies. Pretty sure I'm playing Keqing wrongly there.
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Keqing E have 2 uses, you can E and charge attack or E > E to teleport to it's location. You can even throw E into the sky and do a plunge attack. The E will always target mobs if you do not aim it so it does takes some getting use to, normally will target closet but this game auto aim is not the best. Takes some getting use to with all the teleporting around when using her.

Normally you won't use her full combo as her highest damage is normal > charge attack but it really drains stamina a lot.

When using her Q, remember that she is not lock into the animation from start to finish, you can use her to attack 1-2s after her Q activate. This allows you to continue to DPS while her Q is still in animation.
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QUOTE(Zen Qiu Gaming @ Mar 12 2021, 11:36 AM)
gratz! thats a pretty good piece, not god roll but very close, 10+ cr is alot for a substat, plus the rest of the stats are prime too
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Really pain to farm.

The goblet: Physical Damage
The headpiece: Crit Rate

Lucky I still got 25 Fragile Resin.
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QUOTE(derthvadar @ Mar 12 2021, 02:41 PM)
Really pain to farm.

The goblet: Physical Damage
The headpiece: Crit Rate

Lucky I still got 25 Fragile Resin.
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youre really lucky then laugh.gif i didnt get my gladiator physical goblet or crit rate headpiece till last 2 weeks, got it farming mats for ascension, even then the stats are ok-ish i guess, as long as you have the mainstat, can compensate the subs with others.
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post Mar 12 2021, 03:06 PM

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You all say E la Q la - which one is which ah?

I'm controller user so I only know skill or burst. tongue.gif

Looks like E is skill and Q is burst! Got it!
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QUOTE(valho @ Mar 12 2021, 02:38 PM)
When using her Q, remember that she is not lock into the animation from start to finish, you can use her to attack 1-2s after her Q activate. This allows you to continue to DPS while her Q is still in animation.
Yes, and if E is ready can immediately E E do massive damage that time.

When I first used her I also was pausing watching the animation, and then I realize one day I was moving around even when the animation is on-going.

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Mar 12 2021, 03:06 PM)
You all say E la Q la - which one is which ah?

I'm controller user so I only know skill or burst. tongue.gif

Looks like E is skill and Q is burst! Got it!
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Same here controller user on PC, took me a while to get that E is skill and Q is burst lol

QUOTE(goldfries @ Mar 12 2021, 03:09 PM)
Yes, and if E is ready can immediately E E do massive damage that time.

When I first used her I also was pausing watching the animation, and then I realize one day I was moving around even when the animation is on-going.
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Yeah I found that out by accident since she was my first 5 stars during early game so I use her a lot.

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