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post Jul 13 2021, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(aronron33 @ Jul 13 2021, 11:56 AM)
Oh from my understanding if standalone medical card they will have health assessment then increase your premium (like if u claimed something then they increase premium?) correct me if im wrong
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No, that's incorrect.

Unless if you're applying for an insurance which the insurance company apply loading to you based on your health condition.
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post Jul 13 2021, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(aronron33 @ Jul 13 2021, 12:12 PM)
Oh i see.... Any company which doesnt apply loading to intro?
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Loading is given based on the underwriter's assessment on your health declaration. I doubt there are any insurance company out there that will "never" apply loading to applicants with sub-standard health.

if you do come across, do let me know as well, I'm interested to know smile.gif
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post Jul 13 2021, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(aronron33 @ Jul 13 2021, 12:17 PM)
Haha so mean it doesnt exist then... Any standalone medical card to intro?
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Hmmm there is so many out there.

You're looking into anything specifically ?
- Brands
- Specific Benefits
- Features
- Deductibles
- Premium
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post Jul 17 2021, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(TaiGoh @ Jul 17 2021, 02:48 PM)
Hi all, I am currently 32 years old, non smoker, and I am considering an ILP plan between Prudential PRUMillion Med with 300 deductible and Allianz MediSafe Infinite+ with 5k deductible and retirement option, since I have company insurance to cover until I retire.

Would like to seek for advice which one you will recommend:
1. If I planning to go Singapore to work for few years, which plan will be more suitable for me?
Allianz
If the Life Assured resides or travels outside Malaysia, Singapore and Brunei for more than ninety (90) consecutive days from the day the Life Assured leaves Malaysia, no benefit will be  payable for any medical treatment received by the Life Assured outside Malaysia apart from Singapore and Brunei.
Is that mean that if I need medical treatment in Singapore, it will be covered?
Yes as stated ... apart from Singapore and Brunei.

Prudential
If you choose to have or if you have been referred to be treated outside Malaysia, the benefits for the treatment are limited to the reasonable and customary medically necessary charges for equivalent local treatment in Malaysia and subject to 90 days residence limit.
Is that mean that if I am out from Malaysia for 90 days, then I will not be covered?
If you exceeded the 90 days, it's not covered

2. What happen if I want to opt for higher R&B when I get hospitalized?
For Allianz
You shall bear the difference in the Hospital Room and Board charges if the Life Assured is hospitalised at a Room and Board which is higher
than his/her eligible benefit.
Is that mean that if I have a medical card with R&B 200 and I opt for R&B 300 during hospitalized, I will need to pay for 100 per day only? I remember that some other insurance companies might need to pay 10-20% on top?
You just pay the diff on the R&B cost

How about Prudential in this case?
- same as AZ
Thanks a lot for your help!
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post Jul 24 2021, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(chiayi91 @ Jul 24 2021, 04:57 PM)
Hi guys~ any review on the GE Great Flexi Wealth plan?
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What's your purpose of buying it in the first place ?

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post Jul 24 2021, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(chiayi91 @ Jul 24 2021, 05:10 PM)
just to get savings, not really focusing much on the coverage.
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how "long" are you willing to save without touching that money?

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post Jul 24 2021, 05:46 PM

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QUOTE(chiayi91 @ Jul 24 2021, 05:23 PM)
is there anything you recommend? not really well versed in this area.
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why not just save in FD ?
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QUOTE(frankzane @ Jul 25 2021, 07:01 PM)
Hi,

MY HLA life insurance (investment-link) has been sending notification since 2020 to me saying that the yearly payment is not enough to cover to certain years and require me to top up.

Has anyone experience this before, and do you really top up the yearly payment as instructed?
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what you're experiencing is normal.

If you don't follow the advise to top up then you'll just have to bear in mind that your insurance policy will end earlier than the original term.
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post Jul 26 2021, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(chiayi91 @ Jul 24 2021, 05:23 PM)
is there anything you recommend? not really well versed in this area.
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Oh ya, if you're focusing into just pure savings, depending on your volume of savings, there are guaranteed 4% fixed interest deposits (renewable every 2 years). If you're willing to put longer term, they could give up to 4.29% ~ 7.89%
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post Jul 27 2021, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(ckkean @ Jul 27 2021, 04:24 PM)
Hi. I am currently on PRULink Assurance Plan. My monthly payment is around RM 337. I would like to change to a cheaper plan. Is AXA Medical good? Any agent can recommend me?
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confused.gif too limited details, can't really advise you much

1. If you're paying 337 now, what is consider "cheaper" to you?
2. What sort of benefit are you looking to reduce/maintain from your existing?
3. What sort of benefits are you looking for?
4. Don't have any details of your existing coverage & your personal infos

This post has been edited by lifebalance: Jul 27 2021, 04:36 PM
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post Jul 27 2021, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(brando_w @ Jul 27 2021, 08:13 PM)
It has come to my knowledge recently that only AIA covers for hospitalization (medical card) due to โ€˜Pandemicโ€™, thus any admission due to Covid-19 can be covered by their medical card.

Being a Prudential customer for close to 20 years, am a little disappointed that PMM or PVM does not offer the same benefit; especially when we need it the most.

I understand that one can opt to be treated in private hospitals at present if one is to be unfortunately infected with Covid-19. The cost cost of treatment can run into hundreds of thousands if youโ€™re in the critical stage.

Am looking into taking up AIAโ€™s medical card and eventually disposing off my PRU med cards for the entire family (Will maintain Life, TPD & CI with Pru).

Need some unbiased opinion on this matter.
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laugh.gif cannot simply say inside here, later other insurance agent will come hentam
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post Jul 27 2021, 08:54 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jul 27 2021, 08:37 PM)
hmm.gif what does it actually covers?...the cost of the expenses or just provide some sort of "consolations expenses/benefits"?
and also does this "benefits" has any sort of "coverage effect expiry date" or until total targetted pool of money being used up?
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jul 27 2021, 08:53 PM)
got his from the net,...

AIA MALAYSIA OFFERS TWO FREE COVID-19 COVERAGE TO HELP EASE MALAYSIANSโ€™ CONCERNS
08 June 2021
https://www.aia.com.my/en/about-aia/media-c...s-concerns.html

from this A-Plus Health Medical Protection link
https://www.aia.com.my/en/our-products/medi...lus-health.html

mentioned,....

EXTENSIVE COVERAGE FOR COVID-19
Under this medical plan, you will receive extensive coverage for COVID-19. If you were to experience any side effects or complications from taking an approved COVID-19 vaccine that requires hospital admission, you will be covered for the cost of your medical treatments. Our COVID-19 coverage also includes hospitalisation in the event you contract COVID-19, whether it is an admission to a government or private hospital, as deemed necessary.

hmm.gif i noted this condition "If you were to experience any side effects or complications from taking an approved COVID-19 vaccine .........."
will it meant non side effect not covered??  biggrin.gif
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unfortunately, both explanation is salah
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post Jul 28 2021, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(frankzane @ Jul 28 2021, 01:14 AM)
In that case, what am I paying for every year?
Thanks. Yes, it is the Policy Sustainability. Can I just ignore it and hope the market will improve and so does the insurance sustainability?
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In that case, what am I paying for every year?

You're paying for the coverage & services rendered by the insurance company at the present?

Similar to any goods & services, they're subject to inflation overtime.

You can't expect your favorite chicken rice to cost the same over the next 20 years?

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Thanks. Yes, it is the Policy Sustainability. Can I just ignore it and hope the market will improve and so does the insurance sustainability?

Putting "hope" is one thing.

With the medical inflation @ 12% - 15% per annum. Your "hope" will quickly turn into a nightmare if you think the top-up is not necessary. Do you think the return of "2% - 5%" per annum can overcome that inflation?

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Then 10 years down the road, you would have looked back and said "Now I've wasted 10 years of that time, I have to pay even more for my premium to sustain the policy".

wink.gif up to you on what you want to do with your money.
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QUOTE(ckkean @ Jul 28 2021, 10:59 AM)
I am 40 years old this year this year and my policy rate keep on increasing every year. My policy cover 1 million and inclued savings too, But i am currently facing finacial cirsis as i have to pay for my wife and daughter poilicies too, thats why i am looking lower coverage cheaper alternative. I heard that AXA 3-in-1 policy is below RM200 per month. Is AXA policy easy to claim and reliable?
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I see, do take note there is a RM1k deductible.

Coverage offered are on term basis so expect the premium to increase over the years.

But if it meets your "budget", I don't see why not if you've done your homework and explored all avenues. Alternatively if your situation is only temporary and not long term, you can make partial withdrawal from your insurance policy if that is your only "savings" that you have besides your personal savings and FD.

QUOTE(MUM @ Jul 28 2021, 11:11 AM)
just asking for knowledge....on this item 3,.....will interest rate be charged for that withdrawal? if YES, what is the rate pa?
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No interest will be charged when you make partial withdrawal.
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post Jul 28 2021, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(chiayi91 @ Jul 28 2021, 12:13 PM)
What are the fixed interest deposits you mentioned? so far I see FD highest also 2.5% only.
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it's not Fixed Deposit that I was referring to. Unfortunately I'm not allowed to promote it here.

QUOTE(ping325 @ Jul 28 2021, 12:38 PM)
hi chiayi , maybe put it this way / in lay man terms

FD
you set an amount like RM5000 and FD term for 1 year
1.during this one year you can still withdraw 5000 out in case of emergency but all interest gone
2.keep this money for 1 year and you get the interest + your initial 5000 capital

Life insurance savings plan [ regardless of insurance company ]
1. you set an amount to save every month...for example RM50
2. you set a term that you need to commit .... normally 20-30 years , you need to commit with the duration terms at first
3. as long as you continue to save , you can get guaranteed / non guaranteed bonus or interest [whatever that insurance company written in black & white]
Difference here is :
1. if we are diagnose with CI / disabled , savings plan still go on and born by insurance company
*subject to different insurance company terms & condition on covered waiver
2. you can get bonus / interest in between where you can partially withdraw or just keep inside the saving account ,
normally principle money is locked until end of contract only can take out.
3. most of the cases , after you commit the savings plan and in between if you want to withdraw principle money is not allow,
if you fail to save / surrender halfway, your principle $$ / portion of it will gone depend on insurer T&C written.

Same goes with EPF , PRS , SSPN and so on ... all got their different function and terms ,
Most importantly is you understand each of it in details and choose those that suits you the most. thumbup.gif
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innocent.gif why not paint the full picture on Pru's saving plan and not just the good part?

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1. if we are diagnose with CI / disabled , savings plan still go on and born by insurance company

- Would you rather have an insurance payout or continue to "save" money while you're in a condition that needs you to utilize money for treatment?

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2. you can get bonus / interest in between where you can partially withdraw or just keep inside the saving account ,
normally principle money is locked until end of contract only can take out.

- Sounds pretty nice by the description till you show them

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Same goes with EPF , PRS , SSPN and so on ... all got their different function and terms

All these above you've mentioned are retirement funds which are locked away till you're Age 50 - 55. It's not as accessible compared to a Saving Plan where you allow a person to make withdrawal / loan which defeats the purpose of saving for retirement. Moreover, a chunk of money is paid upfront to the agent's commission which affects the long term return of the policy holder.
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post Jul 29 2021, 09:13 AM

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QUOTE(jayreekazin @ Jul 29 2021, 01:57 AM)
I also did a comparison of PRUmillionMed and Allianz Medisafe Infinite with deductible last month. In the end I chose Allianz because terms seem more favourable imo. Eg longer pre & post hospitalisation coverage, include genomic testing, etc. There is also a โ€œno claims refundโ€ to cash value which i find it useful if you are generally healthy. Especially when you are older next time, the cash refund (based on coi) will be greater if assume no claims. These were the plus points that made me decide AZ over Pru. Personally, i feel my agent is quite good. Can intro to you if you want. Hope it helps.
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Thanks for sharing, don't mind to ask if you're your agent's Friends of allianz trying to earn 50% commission? ๐Ÿ˜‰

QUOTE(onthefly @ Jul 29 2021, 02:11 AM)
medical inflation is in double digit and if you say return investment fund is only 2-5%, like this sure need to topup premium
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You can feel free to refer back to your policy on the projected return on the funds performances whether its between 2% - 5%
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post Jul 29 2021, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(jayreekazin @ Jul 29 2021, 11:34 AM)
Yes now allianz have a friend of allianz program to earn 50% of agents commission. But i also bought for my parents and child insurance from AZ before the FoA program was launched. Why i say my agent is good because she does not just try to push sales to me, and try to cater to my needs instead (i get annoyed with pushy people). The FoA is just a bonus income during this hard times ๐Ÿ˜‚
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biggrin.gif guess I caught ya red-handed tongue.gif.

That being said, there is enough Allianz representative in here including myself.

QUOTE(blabla987 @ Jul 29 2021, 11:41 AM)
Hi sifu all, I need some advice. I plan to get a life insurance for 500k to cover for my housing loan MRTA. One AIA has quote me to pay around 492+ for an investment link life insurance for 20 years. It is worth it for me paying for 20 years? 500 per month for 20 years.. the agent told me that i can take out the money anytime if i need it.. not sure how true it is. Mind to advice. Serious yea thanks
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Do you want to pay off your insurance in 20 years time ?

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post Jul 29 2021, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(blabla987 @ Jul 29 2021, 11:45 AM)
thats why i not sure.. the agent gave me a chart 10 years 20 years and up to 70.. then 70 years she say returns is lower.. 10 years is the best.. but very expensive.. i never have any life insurance so i am not sure about this
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I can't advise you which to take without first understanding your personal finances background & how you could optimize your insurance planning (since I do not know what you have existing & what sort of other debts you're looking to cover).

If you want, you can always get a second opinion instead of just from one-source which is currently from your agent.
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post Jul 29 2021, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(jayreekazin @ Jul 29 2021, 12:24 PM)
Haha but honestly i dont mind to dont earn that foa commission.  It is too little. Say people normally buy insurance at Rm200-300, agent commission is 20% so rm60 a month. Then u share half, so rm30 a month for 12 months. Too much hassle for the small return. Rather let the poor agent earn, they need to earn a living also.

Insurance is a funny thing, most people dont want to spend money on it. But when u need it the most, u cant get it anymore. I was like that also, hesitant to commit myself to insurance, have to pay few hundred each month. If you go to the shop buy cake, u pay money, u bring back a cake. But if u buy insurance, every month u pay money, but u dont bring anything back home. Im still young, but i recently got to know i have early stage cancer. Didnt have any signs or family history. Luckily i have bought mine although it took me a few years to decide. So i would say i have experienced both side and i reiterate, insurance is really important because when u really need it that time, u cant get it anymore.
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๐Ÿ‘ Keep creating that awareness on the importance of insurance
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post Jul 30 2021, 05:50 PM

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QUOTE(prescott2006 @ Jul 30 2021, 05:20 PM)
Is tongue tie covered under prenatal insurance?
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if it is born with, it is not covered by medical card. And if it is not stated as a condition under infant congenital for pre birth, then it is also not covered.

From the 4 companies that offer Prenatal, none seem to have this covered.

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