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denion
post Apr 10 2023, 09:37 PM

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QUOTE(lee82gx @ Apr 9 2023, 04:19 PM)
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hi lee82gx, long term medication/preventive treatment isn't covered by medical cards. (except for cancer, kidney failure and stroke).

QUOTE(jiaen0509 @ Apr 10 2023, 05:36 PM)
For GE recently raise the premium on rider. Does it mean, rather than add premium. It is better to upgrade the plan?
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hi jiaen0509, you can check with agent to upgrade your current medical card to the latest one. then compare how much premium need to top up if no upgrade vs upgraded with the new medical card. do take note is to upgrade your medical card within the same policy and not applying a new plan with new medical card ya. wink.gif
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post Apr 29 2023, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(Acoen @ Apr 26 2023, 10:44 PM)
For life insurance claim, are those product with guarantee cash payment and guaranteed regular income payment taxable on policyholder?

I tried to check only death claim, approved annuity and medical claim are exempted from tax.
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hi Acoen, nope, product with GCP (guaranteed cash payment)/guaranteed regular income paid out from insurance plan are not taxable.

QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Apr 26 2023, 11:15 PM)
hi, just want to ask

let say i claim medical expenses with Insurer A

and claim hosp allowance under insurer B

no contraindicating rite? becasue 2 different entity
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hi Ancient-XinG-, yes no contradict. both claims fall under different category - medical expenses (under medical card) & hosp allowance (under hospitalisation benefit/income). in fact, you can also claim hosp allowance from several insurers say in your case, if both plans with Insurer A and B has hosp allowance, you can claim from both as well. wink.gif

QUOTE(jimmy G @ Apr 28 2023, 07:43 AM)
i have a question, i upgraded my plan a year back and was told i need to keep my old plan during "transition".
It has some investment link plan in it any idea when usually i can get it back. my agent wasn't really able to give me a timeframe.
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hi jimmy G, in your case, best to keep the old plan 2 years after the commencement from your upgraded (new) plan. this is to make sure the new plan has passed its contestability period. btw, you "upgraded" your medical card from old plan to new plan right?

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post May 6 2023, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(PowderBug @ May 4 2023, 11:50 PM)
I have a Flexiplan - whole life with special cash bonus plan under GE. Gonna be 30 years this year. Should I surrender this? Cash bonus maciam tak jalan
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QUOTE(PowderBug @ May 5 2023, 07:48 AM)
I have another ILP with life and medical rider. Sadly I can’t have children, my husband will have pension and my parents are richer than me 😬

Thought of cashing out to put in ASM
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sorry to hear that PowderBug console.gif
btw, before you do anything with the Flexiplan, do you have the login account for Great Eastern customer portal? we can't really advise you to continue or to surrender without knowing much about what you want and the details of the plan actually. with the customer portal account, perhaps you can contact any of us here to see if we can help smile.gif
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post May 7 2023, 09:41 PM

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QUOTE(GilaGorengMaggi @ May 7 2023, 11:32 AM)
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hi GilaGorengMaggi, you may look into something else that can solve your concerns/worries. meanwhile you can keep this first. btw for how long is this plan already?
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post May 10 2023, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(nick.remember.u @ May 8 2023, 02:48 PM)
Actually i plan to give up this plan and buy medical plan from FI which is better value.

https://fi.life/

But im not sure good or not.

Kindly advice me.
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do you mind sharing why you wanna give up the plan? if you are just looking from the angle of premium paid, of course the one provided from fi.life is cheaper, thus the better value (if this is what you are referring to). but i believe the benefit you have in your existing GE plan is more than what you see in fi.life. btw can't really advise you as recommending just products to you will make you even more confusing. you should talk to an agent/advisor about the concerns you have. remember, insurance is not about the product, but its about how you wanna use insurance to solve your concerns.

QUOTE(nick.remember.u @ May 8 2023, 11:52 PM)
https://medisavers.my/medisaversvip-prime.html

this is? so many insurance company, i really dont know how to choose... confused.gif  confused.gif  confused.gif
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medisavers is underwritten by Lonpac if im not mistaken.
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post May 12 2023, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(nick.remember.u @ May 11 2023, 11:42 AM)
My agent push me to get new medical card from GE RM280 monthly, cancel previous 350.20 medical card.
Add on critical illness RM280 SMCC plan into previous Smart legacy plan.

It cost me a bomb....
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what is the current plan of your name? SmartProtect Essential? if it is SmartProtect Essential series, then your existing plan can be amended with the latest SmartMedic Million medical card (i remembered they still allowed). also SMCC can be added to your existing plan. but the coverage amount wise I cant give you much advise as I dont know your financial situation.
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post May 18 2023, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ May 18 2023, 02:56 PM)
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it is more accurate to phrase "ILP are level premium" to "ILP are level premium but cost of insurance isn't guaranteed, hence the premium isn't guaranteed as well." wink.gif
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post May 24 2023, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(mapeyeo1 @ May 23 2023, 12:23 PM)
Hello, got a call from HLA Insurance about 5 senses Hospital Protect and special rate offered to existing HLB user of RM53 per month, would like to ask everyone view on HLA 5 senses Hospital Protect, is the plan worth it? Any pros and cons?

FYI, I already have an existing plan from GE, life and benefit.

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hi mapeyeo1, putting aside the plan offered by HLA first, is your current plan from GE sufficient for you? better to review this with your agent/advisor that knows your needs/concerns. we can't really give you the advise that really suits your needs.

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post Jun 6 2023, 10:32 PM

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QUOTE(rocketm @ Jun 4 2023, 10:30 PM)
ok, thank you for the information.

Does the nominated beneficiary has to present to submit the claim or other of the beneficiary family can bring the documents stated?
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hi rocketm, once the documents are ready, anyone can bring the documents to submit to the company. you can actually submit the forms and documents to agent to submit as well. if there is any help needed, just let me know. wink.gif
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post Jun 22 2023, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(coolguy_0925 @ Jun 22 2023, 01:09 AM)
Pru ILP premium payment freq monthly anniv on December

If terminate medical insurance and maintain life this month

Insurance charge for medical will continue charge until November or stop immediately?

And will Pru advise the revised premium? Thanks
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hi coolguy, once the medical rider is taken out and premium is revised accordingly, the next due will start with the new revised premium. once medical rider is taken out, the cost of insurance will not be charged anymore.
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post Jul 5 2023, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(BrookLes @ Jul 4 2023, 08:48 PM)
You see noob.
Just a quick check. Life insurance tax rebate is rm4k. Health insurance tax rebate is RM 3k.
Anyway I can put this rm4 k +rm3k. Assuming say my tax bracket is 22%.
And end up after say 10 years. The money inside my insurance account is higher then if I were to put this rm7k in a promo FD account and I can withdraw 10 years later. Not that difficult right?

So in other words. I put this rm7k every year for 10 years. After 10 years, the money that from insurance account is higher then if I were to put this 7k -tax amount into FD. If you cannot even understand this, just quit ok.

You see, if you were really interested to help others, I dun need to explain like that. But you are just a bloody noob.
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hi BrookLes, the latest tax relief YA2022 under Life Insurance is RM3,000 and Medical Insurance RM3,000.

The combined of EPF and Life Insurance is RM7,000 which is RM4,000 and RM3,000 respectively (refer to attached picture) assuming you are non-government servant.

However, it is also recommended to seek advise from an advisor if you wanna maximize your income tax relief. with you disclosing your income and other tax relief, advisors get a better picture and also know what to recommend you to maximize your tax relief. if you are looking into savings only, can actually start with PRS/annuity plan (to max out RM3,000 under PRS/annuity) while planning for more funds for your retirement.

For life insurance and medical insurance, better to buy after knowing what risk you want to transfer to insurance companies while this also utilize your tax relief. wink.gif

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post Jul 5 2023, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 5 2023, 02:56 PM)
Oh I need to add, I don't go chasing max tax relief. Eg if I don't max out the rm2500/year and I only max rm1500, so be it. I dont go buy a new phone or new laptop just to chase the max rm2500/year.
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you're the man! notworthy.gif
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post Jul 5 2023, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(sirius2017 @ Jul 5 2023, 06:48 PM)
From next year (YA2023), RM3,000 Tax Relief for Life Insurance Premiums will include EPF Self-Contribution.

8 PERSONAL INCOME TAX RELIEFS YOU CAN CLAIM IN 2023
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thanks sirius2017! at least this is helpful for YA2023. means it is like before it is splitted to EPF 4k and Life Insurance 3k... im expecting EPF 4k and EPF/Life Insurance 3k then. smile.gif

QUOTE(BrookLes @ Jul 5 2023, 09:15 PM)
If you think epf is a safe investment then I would probably self contribute toward that like someone suggested.
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instead of saying its a safe investment, put it as another option to diversify your funds. wink.gif

QUOTE(BrookLes @ Jul 5 2023, 09:29 PM)
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btw do you happen to screenshot the original post in that reddit? the post was deleted already sad.gif
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post Jul 6 2023, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(BrookLes @ Jul 6 2023, 12:30 AM)
Nah did not. But you can see the subsequent comments inside as well.
I am not the only one who have this opinion of insurance agents. Actually it's the comments inside that says a lot.

Well for me I do not believe in EPF. But then for many, EPF is a very safe investment with an almost guaranteed return. And taking into account that you can deduct income tax for it. Let's say your tax bracket is 21%. Which investment in this world can give 21% plus guaranteed EPF of average say 6% a year. And a guaranteed rate of say 2%. The risk of EPF is currency risk and that if say somethings happen to the currency, you are not able to take your monies out until a certain age.

I think your original statement is not too correct though. I would say your RM6000 EPF contribution by your company still stands. But for that 4K. It's a combination of your life insurance plus your own self contribution to EPF..
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can you explain further about the bolded statement as i don't quite understand what you mean

EPF and Life Insurance tax relief bracket is RM7,000 total and previously in YA2022 the bracket for EPF tax relief was RM4,000 and Life Insurance RM3,000 (both has its own bracket)

from sirius2017 posted link, what I understand is, YA2023 EPF tax relief is still RM 4,000 and Self-contribution EPF/Life Insurance is RM3,000. If i get it wrongly, do enlighten me notworthy.gif
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post Jul 6 2023, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(BrookLes @ Jul 6 2023, 08:14 PM)
Well. You do not need to tell everything. Just a brief idea that's all. If it's convincing, I will just call you and discuss further.
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actually you can just reach out to the financial advisor link provided by ramjade and holocene. it's very unlikely to get a solution for your case from insurance agents. better engage a licensed financial advisor/planner. they definitely won't hardsell you any product but they will advise you based on what you want and give you some suggestion/solutions, after that you can either agree to proceed with their solution or you can find the product yourself that suits the suggestion provided. of course you need to pay advisory fee before even proceeding to knowing your financial situation and your needs.
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post Jul 6 2023, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(BrookLes @ Jul 6 2023, 08:37 PM)
Ok will take note.
But I seriously think insurance agents should at least have knowledge when it comes to saving money when it comes to taxes pertaining to insurance. Instead of just thinking about how to make as much money from their clients as possible.

For me financial planning is not that difficult. Mostly it's common sense that's all.
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it's a good chance for you to meet a few agents and also share ideas and discussion so they also learn from you. end of the day, no one can actually force you to sign up anything since you are very firm of what you are looking for to suit your needs. smile.gif
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post Jul 11 2023, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(kuwy86 @ Jul 10 2023, 04:35 PM)
Hi I like to ask is it good to keep pay it, or I just surrender? Because I have other insurance, I just keep pay it as investment.
I pay Rm571.90 every year.
How much I can get if j surrender this insurance ya?
Thanks.
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hi kuwy86, if you surrender you will get the total amount here of 30k. i will advise you to keep the plan actually. it still has the life insurance coverage, should you need any life insurance in the future, can contra from here. wink.gif

QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Jul 11 2023, 08:14 AM)
One says "surrender value + bonus" but one says "net surrender value". Did i miss something?
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hi poweredbydiscuz, i do agree it is confusing. for GE, the net surrender value doesn't include bonuses. so why is it call Net Surrender Value.

the Net Surrender Value here is Surrender Value - any unpaid premium (+ policy loan interest).

So when you surrender a GE traditional policy, it will be Net Surrender Value + any other bonuses (except for Revisionary Bonus which is only paid out upon policy maturity OR upon death of life assured)

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post Jul 11 2023, 08:31 PM

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QUOTE(BrookLes @ Jul 11 2023, 06:53 PM)
Sure. As if I trust anything you say.

And funny, even after so much discussion, still never put into consideration tax considerations.

How can anyone trust your financial advice?

And obviously he is putting in his parents epf to max out his money lah. Why you so "straight" one. Cannot bend is it.

And if say something happens to his parents, his sibling is obviously not going to dispute over the money he put in right?

But maybe yours would.

Reading other comments, isn't the maturity value ultimately equal to the surrender value. Or I am wrong here.
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maturity value is the value when the policy reaches its maturity term. usually it is more because there is a maturity bonus (a special bonus given only when the policy matures/reach its end term). that's the reason why when you surrender a policy, it means the policy is terminated before maturity
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post Jul 19 2023, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 17 2023, 10:38 PM)
Er you know right for premium of around RM3k/year, the premium can only sustain until say 70 years old+? I have looked at great eastern, allianz , AIA, prudential. All same only.

Er again not sure where you get the data from, all good agents I talk to said don't expect your ILP to have cash value. Expect 0 value at maturity and you will need to topup along the way for it to be sustainable. How much topup around RM50k. Of course the bad agents I met said don't worry, ILP will cover everything. Lol.
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how good it is if majority understand what you mentioned here. most consumers still buy from agents that mentioned that "yea this is a savings at the end where you can take back whatever you put in.", when I tell people that don't expect to get a single cent back from policies that are meant for risk transfer, they will say otherwise because they heard from other agents that sold them policies with savings even with medical rider. doh.gif
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post Jul 27 2023, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE(90929155 @ Jul 22 2023, 11:24 PM)
Hi guys, currently I'm on GE plan. Is there any chance or how to insure my parent as well (Age 68).

Can also suggest other insurance plan which is available for my mom's age. Thanks
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hi, age wise, yes still eligible. however, for health condition, go through the health questionnaire with insurance agent thoroughly during the application process.

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