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post Jan 30 2021, 11:06 PM, updated 5y ago

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I notice the recent years the battery price for bike is increase dramatically.

and to my surprise the price exceed car battery doh.gif

so would like to do a compilation here of what brand, type, and price for future reference.

My last Koyoko YT6B-3 last for 12months.

bought at rm90 @ Jan 2020

now check rm125 @ Jan 2021 icon_question.gif doh.gif

last last survey upgrade bigger size Koyoko YTX7A-BS hope it can last longer

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Ride : Suzuki AN125
Brand : Koyoko
Model : YTX7A-BS
Price : rm125
Date : Jan 2021

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post Feb 1 2021, 09:03 AM

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QUOTE(darkdevilrey @ Jan 30 2021, 11:06 PM)
I notice the recent years the battery price for bike is increase dramatically.

and to my surprise the price exceed car battery  doh.gif

so would like to do a compilation here of what brand, type, and price for future reference.

My last Koyoko YT6B-3 last for 12months.

bought at rm90 @ Jan 2020

now check rm125 @ Jan 2021 icon_question.gif  doh.gif

last last survey upgrade bigger size Koyoko YTX7A-BS hope it can last longer

Ride  : Suzuki AN125
Brand : Koyoko
Model : YTX7A-BS
Price  : rm125
Date  : Jan 2021
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Gel battery cannot tahan overcharging, and die very fast when that happens. Either use normal lead acid, or AGM.
I convert my kapcai to lithium battery liao. Now outside also sell Lithium battery for bikes.
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post Feb 1 2021, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Feb 1 2021, 09:03 AM)
Gel battery cannot tahan overcharging, and die very fast when that happens. Either use normal lead acid, or AGM.
I convert my kapcai to lithium battery liao. Now outside also sell Lithium battery for bikes.
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You mean the RCB lithium battery ?

how much it cost ?

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post Feb 2 2021, 09:21 AM

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QUOTE(darkdevilrey @ Feb 1 2021, 09:56 PM)
You mean the RCB lithium battery ?

how much it cost ?
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RM2xx
Can check here for other brands: https://shopee.com.my/search?keyword=motorcycle%20lithium

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post Feb 2 2021, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Feb 2 2021, 09:21 AM)
RM2xx
Can check here for other brands: https://shopee.com.my/search?keyword=motorcycle%20lithium
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which charger do you use? Trickle charge when bike is parked?
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post Feb 2 2021, 05:41 PM

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QUOTE(jacktay94 @ Feb 2 2021, 04:32 PM)
which charger do you use? Trickle charge when bike is parked?
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Lithium battery have to use lithium compatible charger. Don't use normal agm lead acid charger.
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post Feb 2 2021, 07:53 PM

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QUOTE(Flyinghighaero @ Feb 2 2021, 05:41 PM)
Lithium battery have to use lithium compatible charger. Don't use normal agm lead acid charger.
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Yea, that's why I am asking. There are a lot of chargers out there, really no idea which one is actually reliable.
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post Feb 2 2021, 08:20 PM

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My August 2018 Honda PCX is still on its stock battery. Bought a replacement battery (BSH) for spare which costed me RM90. Seems slightly different than the stock battery, but I think the technology is the same.
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QUOTE(jacktay94 @ Feb 2 2021, 07:53 PM)
Yea, that's why I am asking. There are a lot of chargers out there, really no idea which one is actually reliable.
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I use Bosch charger but it doesn't have lithium mode. The cheapest branded charger for lithium that I see I from ctek around rm700 for a 1A charger. The big one is close to 2k for lithium
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QUOTE(jacktay94 @ Feb 2 2021, 04:32 PM)
which charger do you use? Trickle charge when bike is parked?
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No charger. No trickle charge. 3% a month, so... 3600mAh will take 10 months to loose 1200mAh. I just let it sit only.

Just in case it really went flat, or cutoff due to over discharge, standby a charger like this: https://shopee.com.my/Rapido-Lithium-Ion-Ba...7878.2841879679

The battery has BMS to cutoff once done charging.
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post Feb 3 2021, 07:38 PM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Feb 2 2021, 09:50 PM)
No charger. No trickle charge. 3% a month, so... 3600mAh will take 10 months to loose 1200mAh. I just let it sit only.

Just in case it really went flat, or cutoff due to over discharge, standby a charger like this: https://shopee.com.my/Rapido-Lithium-Ion-Ba...7878.2841879679

The battery has BMS to cutoff once done charging.
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Interesting. I have a tracker installed so might need to look at charging once a month. Are you using the Rapido battery as well?
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post Feb 4 2021, 08:37 AM

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QUOTE(jacktay94 @ Feb 3 2021, 07:38 PM)
Interesting. I have a tracker installed so might need to look at charging once a month. Are you using the Rapido battery as well?
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No, not yet. I'm using recycled laptop battery (18650 li-ion) with cheap BMS for battery. Bear in mind my bike no electric starter.
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post Feb 4 2021, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Feb 1 2021, 09:03 AM)
Gel battery cannot tahan overcharging, and die very fast when that happens. Either use normal lead acid, or AGM.
I convert my kapcai to lithium battery liao. Now outside also sell Lithium battery for bikes.
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able to revive the dead battery but duno can last for how long

now become green already

pulse charge it 12hours
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post Feb 4 2021, 09:25 PM

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QUOTE(darkdevilrey @ Feb 4 2021, 09:20 PM)
able to revive the dead battery but duno can last for how long

now become green already

pulse charge it 12hours
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I had one, turns green after charge, but when crank it won't work.
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post Feb 4 2021, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Feb 4 2021, 09:25 PM)
I had one, turns green after charge, but when crank it won't work.
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i crank it up, nice and steady

able to maintain at 14.0V

off key at 13.0V

guess it works
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The only brand that has my size for Virago is Dynavolt, not sure worth the upgrade or not , lead acid and gel also around the same price so is thinking to upgrade after the battery kong.
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My 2015 PCX battery:
1st original one last for 3++ years. 2015-2018
2nd one (Koyoko) last nearly 3 years. 2018-Jan 2021
3rd no brand on shopee. Let see how long it will last.
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post Feb 12 2021, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(haturaya @ Feb 12 2021, 08:41 PM)
My 2015 PCX battery:
1st original one last for 3++ years. 2015-2018
2nd one (Koyoko) last nearly 3 years. 2018-Jan 2021
3rd no brand on shopee. Let see how long it will last.
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wow, quite long lasting

do you ride daily


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QUOTE(darkdevilrey @ Feb 12 2021, 09:14 PM)
wow, quite long lasting

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Yes. Daily ride to work. About 30km a day. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(darkdevilrey @ Jan 30 2021, 11:06 PM)
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I notice the recent years the battery price for bike is increase dramatically.

and to my surprise the price exceed car battery  doh.gif

so would like to do a compilation here of what brand, type, and price for future reference.

My last Koyoko YT6B-3 last for 12months.

bought at rm90 @ Jan 2020

now check rm125 @ Jan 2021 icon_question.gif  doh.gif

last last survey upgrade bigger size Koyoko YTX7A-BS hope it can last longer

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Ride  : Suzuki AN125
Brand : Koyoko
Model : YTX7A-BS
Price  : rm125
Date  : Jan 2021
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not sure which model Koyoko i bought before but the price around rm60 iinm
last for 3 years.
last year the koyoko dead then i change to amaron around RM40++
still good until now.
for 8 years my bike only change battery 2 times. hmm.gif
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Does anyone know of a better way to trickle charge the batttery without accessing the batt terminal itself? To do it on the battery, the seat, some plastic bits, fuse box all have to be unscrewed and removed. Really troublesome.
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QUOTE(toos99 @ Feb 16 2021, 09:51 PM)
Does anyone know of a better way to trickle charge the batttery without accessing the batt terminal itself? To do it on the battery, the seat, some plastic bits, fuse box all have to be unscrewed and removed. Really troublesome.
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Put extra wires (+ve & -ve) on battery terminal. Cap it properly. When needed, connect to this wires to trickle charge. One time hassle. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(haturaya @ Feb 16 2021, 10:19 PM)
Put extra wires (+ve & -ve) on battery terminal. Cap it properly. When needed, connect to this wires to trickle charge. One time hassle.  sweat.gif
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That sounds heaven sent but I am sometimes dumb as sh*t. Do you possibly have a pictorial view of what kind of cables I should be looking for? I am seeing all these only:
https://shopee.com.my/12V-Terminal-To-SAE-Q...4AaAsgxEALw_wcB

The ends that have rings on them make sense. However, the other end doesn't look like it can be clamped by the Bosch C3 alligator clips.
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QUOTE(toos99 @ Feb 17 2021, 02:02 AM)
That sounds heaven sent but I am sometimes dumb as sh*t. Do you possibly have a pictorial view of what kind of cables I should be looking for? I am seeing all these only:
https://shopee.com.my/12V-Terminal-To-SAE-Q...4AaAsgxEALw_wcB

The ends that have rings on them make sense. However, the other end doesn't look like it can be clamped by the Bosch C3 alligator clips.
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You get the idea. That item installed on bike side. On charger side, get something similar and connect to the battery charger. That way you can use the quick connect. Sample in video here:
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QUOTE(toos99 @ Feb 17 2021, 02:02 AM)
That sounds heaven sent but I am sometimes dumb as sh*t. Do you possibly have a pictorial view of what kind of cables I should be looking for? I am seeing all these only:
https://shopee.com.my/12V-Terminal-To-SAE-Q...4AaAsgxEALw_wcB

The ends that have rings on them make sense. However, the other end doesn't look like it can be clamped by the Bosch C3 alligator clips.
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As shown below.


QUOTE(alexei @ Feb 17 2021, 07:15 AM)
You get the idea. That item installed on bike side. On charger side, get something similar and connect to the battery charger. That way you can use the quick connect. Sample in video here:
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

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Fairly straight forward DIY job. thumbup.gif
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Found it. The alligator clips can actually be disconnected and there’s the clip there. Stupid me. TQ guys
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QUOTE(toos99 @ Feb 17 2021, 04:51 PM)
Found it. The alligator clips can actually be disconnected and there’s the clip there. Stupid me. TQ guys
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Haha, happened to me as well with my C3 charger, but that means now my C3 can only be used to charge my bike and not my car since i have permanently affixed the connector to my bike's batt.
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QUOTE(Mikahl @ Feb 18 2021, 05:39 PM)
Haha, happened to me as well with my C3 charger, but that means now my C3 can only be used to charge my bike and not my car since i have permanently affixed the connector to my bike's batt.
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Yo, don’t scare me man. I bight some cheapo cables online that seems to look like the c3’s connector cables. I presume the connector clip is the same. So I don’t have to sacrifice my current one which I use to charge almost all my stuffs. Is the Busch’s cable proprietary?

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QUOTE(toos99 @ Feb 21 2021, 05:19 PM)
Yo, don’t scare me man. I bight some cheapo cables online that seems to look like the c3’s connector cables. I presume the connector clip is the same. So I don’t have to sacrifice my current one which I use to charge almost all my stuffs. Is the Busch’s cable proprietary?
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To my knowledge, yes, unless China made some knock-offs which i'm not aware of.
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QUOTE(Mikahl @ Mar 3 2021, 06:37 PM)
To my knowledge, yes, unless China made some knock-offs which i'm not aware of.
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Forgot to update actually. It doesn't fit right out of the gate. Those cables are mainly SAE connectors. I could only find SAE and CTEK connectors, there wasn't any Bosch ones. What I did was buying 2 of them and by connecting the SAE connectors back to back, I have 2 ends that are terminal rings. One end goes to the batt and the other I just clip with the aliigators on my charger. Seems to work also, hopefully it doesn't explode smile.gif.
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Anyone that bought battery online such as lazada/shopee? is it a lot of counterfeits?
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QUOTE(Matchy @ May 22 2023, 09:22 AM)
Anyone that bought battery online such as lazada/shopee? is it a lot of counterfeits?
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Dude, don't buy those items which has warranty from online platforms. Most of the online warranty services is questionable.
Go buy from physical shop instead..
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QUOTE(alexei @ Feb 1 2021, 09:03 AM)
Gel battery cannot tahan overcharging, and die very fast when that happens. Either use normal lead acid, or AGM.
I convert my kapcai to lithium battery liao. Now outside also sell Lithium battery for bikes.
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Unless u r using smart tickle charger which can chk & determine the battery power strength will stop charging once the battery power strength has reached the peak..

My company kapchai(Suzuki Smash 110) already adopted 12v 7.2a SLA battery long time ago.. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(yhsiau @ May 22 2023, 04:40 PM)
Unless u r using smart tickle charger which can chk & determine the battery power strength will stop charging once the battery power strength has reached the peak..

My company kapchai(Suzuki Smash 110) already adopted 12v 7.2a SLA battery long time ago.. laugh.gif
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Good to see you here. The Lithium pack still in service, time flies.

My bike regulator will cut to 6V when no battery detect. the BMS has overcharge protection. I guess it works.
When you adopt SLA, you're referring to MF over the conventional flooded? Or, something else?
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QUOTE(alexei @ May 22 2023, 08:39 PM)
Good to see you here. The Lithium pack still in service, time flies.

My bike regulator will cut to 6V when no battery detect. the BMS has overcharge protection. I guess it works.
When you adopt SLA, you're referring to MF over the conventional flooded? Or, something else?
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erm, that SLA battery is commonly found in Auto gate/house alarm panel/smaller size UPS.
Lead proof & MF type.

Just got my b2 last year August.. as I am thinking of changing job.
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QUOTE(yhsiau @ May 22 2023, 09:11 PM)
erm,  that SLA battery is commonly found in Auto gate/house alarm panel/smaller size UPS.
Lead proof & MF type.

Just got my b2 last year August.. as I am thinking of changing job.
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those are gel type, right? I haven't cut open one yet. aren't those more expensive?


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QUOTE(alexei @ May 22 2023, 09:15 PM)
those are gel type, right? I haven't cut open one yet. aren't those more expensive?
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VRLA lead acid battery, 12V 7.2A cost about 60+ RM.
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QUOTE(yhsiau @ May 22 2023, 09:50 PM)
VRLA lead acid battery, 12V 7.2A cost about 60+ RM.
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afaik it doesn't have valve, and it's constantly under negative pressure
once it goes positive pressure, the rubber cap will bulge, or starts to leak if the glue doesn't hold
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QUOTE(alexei @ May 23 2023, 08:51 AM)
afaik it doesn't have valve, and it's constantly under negative pressure
once it goes positive pressure, the rubber cap will bulge, or starts to leak if the glue doesn't hold
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By the time the battery swelled & start leaking, it means it has reached EOL..

Ok, local battery news.. Yuasa MY confirmed closing its manufacturing plant in Sg.Petani. So, all incoming products(vehicle battery) wil be either from Indonesia or Thailand branches.

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QUOTE(yhsiau @ May 23 2023, 03:29 PM)
By the time the battery swelled & start leaking, it means it has reached EOL..

Ok, local battery news.. Yuasa MY confirmed closing its manufacturing plant in Sg.Petani. So, all incoming products(vehicle battery) wil be either from Indonesia or Thailand branches.
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So, the factory becomes battery manufacturer for another brand?
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QUOTE(alexei @ May 23 2023, 04:44 PM)
So, the factory becomes battery manufacturer for another brand?
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No, Yuasa MY no longer produce vehicles battery, those who worked in the manufacturing plant will get retrenchment.. Yuasa MY become trader (importer, just like GP battery). This means Yuasa motorcycle battery supply will be affected too.

I believe it's the last year strike made the Japanese management doolan.. so, they decided to close it down. U can search the news for details.
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QUOTE(yhsiau @ May 23 2023, 05:28 PM)
No, Yuasa MY no longer produce vehicles battery, those who worked in the manufacturing plant will get retrenchment.. Yuasa MY become trader (importer,  just like GP battery). This means Yuasa motorcycle battery supply will be affected too.

I believe it's the last year strike made the Japanese management  doolan.. so, they decided to close it down. U can search the news for details.
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I saw some news, Honda Yuasa JV a few billion.
Easy to give up ppl who they deem 'unfaithful' to hands that feed them. Just a wild guess.

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QUOTE(alexei @ May 23 2023, 06:57 PM)
I saw some news, Honda Yuasa JV a few billion.
Easy to give up ppl who they deem 'unfaithful' to hands that feed them. Just a wild guess.
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Yuasa battery which made in Malaysia is history now..

As for imported yuasa Motorcycle battery, the YTX series from Indonesia & YTZ series from Thailand. Based on pass past experience, Thailand yuasa battery is more stable than Indonesia Yuasa battery.
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QUOTE(yhsiau @ May 23 2023, 07:40 PM)
Yuasa battery which made in Malaysia is history now..

As for imported yuasa Motorcycle battery, the YTX series from Indonesia & YTZ series from Thailand. Based on pass past experience, Thailand yuasa battery is more stable than Indonesia Yuasa battery.
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but YTZ is more modern AGM than YTX... could that be why?
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QUOTE(alexei @ May 24 2023, 08:29 AM)
but YTZ is more modern AGM than YTX... could that be why?
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No idea but, I experienced few YTX battery DOA last year.. after filled Acid which came with the battery, that battery getting hotter without charging. The voltage readings is about 10.x V.

Normally such battery will getting warm after the acid is filled in. The readings is 12.x V. Just do a short charging will be good to use.

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QUOTE(yhsiau @ May 24 2023, 01:32 PM)
No idea but, I experienced few YTX battery DOA last year.. after filled Acid which came with the battery, that battery getting hotter without charging. The voltage readings is about 10.x V.

Normally such battery will getting warm after the acid is filled in. The readings is 12.x V. Just do a short charging will be good to use.
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that's bad... arrived with shorted plates, I guess.
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Charging my son's bike every 2-3months.
Only ride it few KM every month.

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Will this degrade the battery?
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QUOTE(dogbert_chew @ Oct 30 2023, 06:27 PM)
Charging my son's bike every 2-3months.
Only ride it few KM every month.

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Will this degrade the battery?
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measure voltage before you charge everytime, this will tell
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QUOTE(alexei @ Oct 30 2023, 07:24 PM)
measure voltage before you charge everytime, this will tell
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Not so "high tech" bike consume less battery power during idle.. laugh.gif

Those keyless scooter sure drains lots of battery power during idle periods.
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QUOTE(yhsiau @ Oct 30 2023, 08:43 PM)
Not so "high tech" bike consume less battery power during idle..  laugh.gif

Those keyless scooter sure drains lots of battery power during idle periods.
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you have a point

that bike looks like R15, so should be less
keyless, IINM, can be disabled for long term storage

my point is to gauge the leakage which is attributed to internal resistance, less of external drain, and only charge if it drops to a certain voltage point since that is a gel battery


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put rubber mat between bike stand and parking ground, lessen the ground current leaks.. not eliminate completely but at least can park longer without worry battery drained so fast.
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QUOTE(yhsiau @ Oct 30 2023, 08:43 PM)
Not so "high tech" bike consume less battery power during idle..  laugh.gif

Those keyless scooter sure drains lots of battery power during idle periods.
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Not really. My keyless PCX hand been sitting for nearly 2 months without starting, with alarm / immobiliser switch on. The battery still good acter 2 months. Single crank can start. thumbup.gif
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post Nov 4 2023, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(haturaya @ Nov 4 2023, 11:17 AM)
Not really. My keyless PCX hand been sitting for nearly 2 months without starting, with alarm / immobiliser switch on. The battery still good acter 2 months. Single crank can start.  thumbup.gif
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Well, I have a customer who owns an adv160.. he left his bike unused for a week, the battery power is 11.2v which is not strong to start the bike.

He took the battery to me request charging the battery.
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post Nov 4 2023, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(yhsiau @ Nov 4 2023, 01:56 PM)
Well, I have a customer who owns an adv160.. he left his bike unused for a week, the battery power is 11.2v which is not strong to start the bike.

He took the battery to me request charging the battery.
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Then something not right with the bike electricals. Even my brother's Vario 150 work after weeks been left in his garage. sweat.gif
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post Nov 4 2023, 07:54 PM

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QUOTE(yhsiau @ Nov 4 2023, 01:56 PM)
Well, I have a customer who owns an adv160.. he left his bike unused for a week, the battery power is 11.2v which is not strong to start the bike.

He took the battery to me request charging the battery.
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Sometimes what happens is that the rider is tired after work/trip and they forgot to turn the dial to 'Off' and left it at Seat/Fuel after opening the seat to take out their belongings. If left at Seat/Fuel position, the battery will drain much faster than if left at the proper Off position. There's a video by Indonesian ADV owner talking about this too.

 

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