indirectly saying Veterinarian invented food are shits?

so if your cat has loose stool or gastro problem, eat homemade made medicine?


This post has been edited by Red_rustyjelly: Jul 19 2021, 10:42 PM

we are talking bout commercial pet food here , not medicine..

the first commercial pet food recorded wasn't invented by vets.

https://www.petfoodinstitute.org/pet-food-m...ry-of-pet-food/

even today the so called vet approved food like rc, sains diet..

are.. full of by products of raw material used for human food processing..
nestle bought pet food manufacturers etc etc etc..

no nid to talk panjang lebar here,

u feed wht u like, its your $$ it's ur choice..

debate oso no use...

i just said i don't blif tht article..

not saying i dont blif in medicine.. lol..

just to make things even clearer,

dont blif tht article, never said i don't ever feed commercial pet food to the cats ...

This post has been edited by basilisk: Jul 21 2021, 12:48 AM

Vets will advise against feeding your animals homemade stuff if you aren't doing the full research. Raw feeding is a thing, homemade feeding is a thing, but it absolutely comes with risks - if you don't know 1000% what tf you're doing, you are going to end up causing the animal's suffering. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the article as "sponsored by the pet food industry".

This post has been edited by spunkberry: Jul 21 2021, 01:27 AM

to me it is.

the so called "unconventional" feeding is wht dogs and cats have been eating for donkey of years before the so called 'conventional' food was invented by by human for dog & n cats.

Vets also invent dog and cat foods. Some then how?

Vets are also a human beings who dedicate their lives and skills for better animal health.

This post has been edited by Red_rustyjelly: Jul 21 2021, 12:05 PM

how?

read up. do your own research n decide.

if still cant decide , not sure, ragu ragu, jz do the conventional way.

say i wana spay a cat, will i diy? will i blif someone tht can do it but not a qualified/certified vet?

No, absolutely not.

but feeding, food prep, this topic is totally different..
it is totally diy-able..

read read read n know where n who to blif...

lol you miss the point.

As long as the food is nutritious to the pet & prepared properly, it is good food regardless it was homemade or commercial. What we don't agree is that article, directly saying homemade & raw food are bad. I think it is good idea to not read between the lines but read what explicitly stated.

Cats & dogs have live for thousand of years with homemade food. Back then there is no ISO or regulation. If we want to use the same logic that article use, commercial food is equally poses some risks too. Even pet food company outside Malaysia have recall their pet foods before because of some problem.

I don't know about veterinarian invented food but I guess some commercial pet food started with someone in veterinary field created special food for pets. But I think the ingredients have changed in modern commercial food. Right now, any pet food recommended by vet, they get paid for that. Private clinic is expensive, machines are expensive, so any sponsorship would be beneficial to them.

that's how they need to fund their research. to improve. Just like Clinic, more money to invest in new equipment for sick patients. Reasonable.

I am not going back to homemade because 5 years ago, my mom's dog suffers from anemia. Yeah, we were homemade food believers before.
When Vet asked us, we can't even give answers like how many portions of protein vitamins are given per day. which resulted in that disease. When I asked the homemade pet food company, they couldn't give the answers. Just based on average standard nutrients from each ingredient for example 500g of chicken = to % of protein, but when cooked the nutrients are lost in the heat process and they can't determine it. Anemia requires vitamin C in the process, but the recipe cannot provide the numbers and amount of Vit C available, and the company did not go through food tests and safety.

So my mom immediately also got her cat along for a full body check, and finally decided to switch it back to commercial foods.

ok i am really interested in the brand of commercial food you are feeding now, mind to share?

please .. lol..

if u see my previous posts i have bought many commercial food available for self evaluation.

No one force you to use homemade food. It is free country, almost.

And who buy homemade food? If that "homemade" food was prepared by a company & was sold as their product, that is commercial pet food.

"Homemade" food is food that you cook or prepared yourself. Everything is under your control; buy/prepared the ingredients yourself, you cook it yourself, you refrigerated it yourself, etc. Microwave oven nowadays very cheap. Easy to handle frozen raw meat without contaminated it.

This post has been edited by kizwan: Jul 21 2021, 11:53 PM

there are many causes of anemia

https://www.lakecross.com/site/blog-hunters...ent-anemia-dogs

and if you say aft you switch to commercial food, the dog is not anemic anymore...
sounds like magic?

you feed plain white rice to the dog everyday?

is true. after switching to commercial food, the vet gave some tablets and supplements for few weeks

Now he lives happily ever after, 2 years of health check get a good result.

Suggestion as TS said, if u do not know 1000% about homemade, dont do it.
Unless u are anti-vax

This post has been edited by Red_rustyjelly: Jul 22 2021, 11:58 AM

yea right.. nice story..

no further detail info that can caya..

if u rc distributor.. try to lower price..

ppl switching to other better food alread..

LOL!! i ketawa kuat kuat

anti-vax? lol that most stupid thing I have ever heard. I feed my cats both commercial & homemade food.

I have to agree that if you don't know 1000% what you're doing, don't do it. For example someone who buying "homemade" pet food, clearly did not do any research at all.

home-made
/ˌhə�mˈmeɪd/
adjective
adjective: homemade
made at home, rather than in a shop or factory.

Just adopted 2 4 month old kittens. Can recommend some budget friendly kibbles that are good in terms of nutrition? Currently I only know Whiskas.

I'm feeding them Purina One kibble at the moment a bit pricy.

If Purina One is pricey, I think Greens a bit cheaper. There's another brand called Morando. It have same protein & fat content with Greens. I'm feeding this one to my cat. Her poops are nice. That's all I can say.

Hi Admin could you pin on top cat food recommendation? that would be helpful reference.

Sure. Do you have a list? I'm not local so I don't know what is available locally.

I would also like to point out that the best food for your cat is the food it will eat.

One way they make more money ,
the smaller bag is always more expensive than large bag, lol..

cos many will jz buy smaller bag..
cos it is easy for the human to handle..
and many can afford it.

those that seriously wana save $$ will know how to handle large bag, like 8kg - 10kg, even tho they only feed one cat..




This post has been edited by basilisk: Jul 29 2021, 01:38 PM

Unfortunately some customer get mad when there's no repack. Favourite excuse is "I only have one cat".

Also the supplier control the price even the repack one. I mean supplier dictate the minimum price for repack. For example, if there is a shop sell 1kg repack way cheaper than the other shops, if other shops complaint to the supplier, that shop can get red flagged. Next time when that shop tried to order more, the supplier will refused to send to that shop. I was told this practice is to defeat money laundering. Some people open shop just to "clean" the money, so they don't really think about profit. I tried to research if this have anything to do with latest law that was introduced not long time ago but all I got is headache. lol Another reason is that supplier want all shops can sell their products. Not fair for other shops if one shop can sell way cheaper than others. All shops will follow supplier anyway. If some products they can't sell or near expiration date, they can send back to the supplier. This way shop don't loose money. If you see products in Shoppe or Lazada that are way cheaper than physicals shop, that usually because the seller bought in large quantity & they cannot send back if they cannot sell (or near expiration date).

As for recommendation, I did read before, a good cat food have content of animal protein above 40%. So the list of top recommendation cat food in Malaysia will be short.

Top Recommendation Cat Food in Malaysia:-
Taste of the Wild

There are other brands that contain protein above 40% but I only remember TOTW. Usual problem is availability. Not all shop sell these brands though.

Popular Brands (protein around 30%):-
Royal Canine
Purina One
Greens
IAMS

New kid on the block (protein around 30%):-
Tornado (priced slightly higher than Greens but I'm a bit skeptical with this brand though. I was told this is to fight Royal Canine.)
Morando (not really new. The "parent" brand is Migliorgatto whish is not new brand as far as I know.)

This post has been edited by kizwan: Jul 29 2021, 03:01 PM