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post Jun 6 2021, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(WalidAnakBulus @ May 10 2021, 02:12 PM)
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Dear Cat Dads & Moms,

I have something to share and i hope someone would be able to explain this. I am an experienced cat owners, but this issue never happened to me before, which makes me sad, angry & curious.

I have a cat, named Salem. He was 3 years old. I have him since he was born (i rescued a pregnant cat). He have 4 other siblings and all of them are vaccinated, spayed/neutered, eats super premium food & stays indoor all the time. Salem (including the mother and all of his siblings) were very active, very healthy & well-fed. Even when any of them shows any sign of illness like Flu, scratch wound etc i would directly brought them to Vet. Everything went good so far.

Until last week, i've noticed Salem starts limping on his right arm, thinking of that would be a minor injury, i observed for another 1 day. Day-2, the limping area starts swelling, also he starts losing fat/muscle mass around his cheek & chest, and his body was hot, then i brought him to Vet. I've explained everything to the doctor on how serious i think the condition of Salem, and the doctor be like "no need worry lah nothing serious, no wounds no fractures, maybe he just jump & landed wrongly", the doctor even said i should stop worrying & overreacting over a small issue. And the doctor only gave Anti-Inflammatory meds. JUST THAT, and the doctor not even allow me to buy the supplement/booster or applied anything on the limping areas, they just want me to trust them as they were the Doctors.

Fine with that, i gave Salem the med, of course.. no improvements. Salem starts getting worse, he starts avoiding everyone, and lying head down most of the time. Even when i carry him, or put him on the table, he will put his head down, and he lose appetite too (i have to manually feed him). Remember, this is just 3rd day of him being sick.

Day-4, i go to the Vet again and angrily explained of what have happened, they all were shocked & scared seeing the condition of my cat since it were just yesterday i came to the clinic, and the condition was rapidly worsen. Then they shaved Salem's limping arm, they seemingly found out something, starts discussing with each other with very worrying face. And they never really told me what happened, they just "we think this might be a bacterial infection, but we're not so sure since we cannot spotted any wound". They gave me Antibiotics (FINALLY eventho its too late), and they gave me a referral letter to Specialist Hospital saying that in-case of emergency (its like they know something but they never really told me, maybe they scared of me blaming them for not doing it right the first time). And they said its a really really rare case of a cat went from very healthy to seriously ill for just 3 days.

After went back from clinic, gave the meds, nothing good. And this time he walk around everywhere pointlessly. Several hours later, he went to kitty heaven.  bye.gif  All that happens so fast, from very healthy to getting sick for just 3 days & died the next day. And he is just 3 years old.  sad.gif Yes i am angry with the doctors as they were not taking my point seriously, if they do, that would have saved Salem's life. But i am more of wanting to know what actually happened, what disease that can killed a healthy house cat in just 3 days.. If its a bacterial infections, how or where do he get such bacteria? Or he might allergic to something (since i changed the food recently)? Or any fatal insect bites that does not leave any wound (i live in a level 4 apartment btw)? Or any possible natural diseases like diabetes, nerves disorder or anything?

I need to know as i have to protect my other cats at all cost.  sad.gif  I hope anyone here can explain or share their experiences too. Thank you.
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I think it's cultural. Malaysian tend to ask cheaper option or like "boleh kurang lagi x boss?". So it's become of habit for the seller not to promote or ask you to spend more money. Vet service is expensive though. So I think they tend to avoid asking the customer to spend more money for tests without having strong reason. Just doing physical check, they won't know the severity of the illness. The swelling could be nothing, so they thought. I don't know if they have enough equipment to test the fluid in the swelling if they want to.

I'm so sorry for your loss! I have loss cats before just under 24-48 hours, just like that without knowing what is the cause of their death.

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post Jun 7 2021, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(JVLIEW @ Jun 6 2021, 08:34 PM)
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I have found these 5 kittens and I am in no capable to take care of them. Appreciate if anyone is interested could reach out to me. Thank you.

My location is PJ area.

Hope to hear from you guys soon
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Please post this in Facebook as well. Message Malaysia Independent Animal Rescue or MIAR at Facebook. Provide them contact information.
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post Jun 11 2021, 01:02 PM

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True. It always good idea to wait for a while.
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post Jun 16 2021, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(leah235 @ Jun 16 2021, 09:24 AM)
may i know why my female cat, 1.5 y.o (not neutered), starting to pee not at her litter box?

sometimes, on her bed, on certain clothes on the floor....
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Female cat when on heat do spray urine like male cats do. Please neuter your cat.
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post Jun 16 2021, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(leah235 @ Jun 16 2021, 01:43 PM)
oh really??? ok i just know this...
hmm. how long does the recovery? 1 week?
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After neutered? Between one to two weeks.

Also, bring your cat to vet in case like Basilisk said, uti. If your cat trying to pee too frequent but nothing or too little come out, that uti. If UTI, need to go to vet ASAP.

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post Jun 22 2021, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(latterbuoy @ Jun 22 2021, 02:57 AM)
Is it safe to leave my cat indoors in my house? She doesn't like to be caged. She doesn't like to be kept in a room. I'm afraid she'll damage the furniture when I'm not around or I'm not supervising her. Kindly advise please thank you.

Also my cat once peed at the corner of my room. She's around 1.5 years old, not neutered yet. Kindly advise please thank you.
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It is better not caged. As pet owner, you shouldn't have fragile deco. biggrin.gif If you have fragile deco, you'll need to mentally prepared. biggrin.gif Try give your cat a lot of toys & also a scratch pad. Cats also have different personalities from one to another. Neutered cat generally more calmer than non-neutered. If you need to, cat-proof your house. Don't let your cat not neutered too long because peeing outside litterbox may become a habit to her. That is why it is advised to neutered your cat below 1 year old. This is why sometime you heard people complaining their cat still spraying after already neutered. This is because it already become a habit to the cat.
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post Jun 26 2021, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(neome @ Jun 25 2021, 11:42 PM)
ya2 i think the piece of plastic I found in the litter box is also from the vomit not the poo  hmm.gif coz the color is much lighter huhu but luckily he nvr ate a whole plastic bag before, only small pieces of plastic he sometimes found on the floor of the kitchen, even the small raffia string tht ppl use to tie plastic bag also he ate n vomit once  doh.gif but he is almost 1 year old now hope he grow out of the habit soon  biggrin.gif
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I always put away plastic bags. Be careful with strings. It can become tangle & block inside your cat & this can lead to death. It was long time ago, one time I saw something like string protruding from my cat anus. I carefully pull it out slowly. I didn't force it out. Fortunately it didn't stuck & easily came out.

If this ever happen to your cat, if it feels stuck, don't force it, just cut the string that are protruding & hope the rest come out by itself but probably very good idea to go to the vet ASAP.
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post Jul 16 2021, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(Alert_RaZO @ Jul 15 2021, 09:08 PM)
I move the toilet to downstair.
But my cat didn;t like to use it although many times i force my cat to enter.
3 weeks already my cat keep shitting at carpet.

why ah
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Some cats don't like change. Why moved may I ask?
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post Jul 17 2021, 09:53 AM

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QUOTE(Alert_RaZO @ Jul 16 2021, 05:22 PM)
Last time i put in a room. Now the room need to convert.
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If the carpet where your cat keep shitting located at different place than the toilet, try move the toilet near the carpet.
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post Jul 17 2021, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(yashin @ Jul 17 2021, 11:54 AM)
My cats have grown up on a mix of wet and dry foods. Wet food prices been going up a lot for a decent brand. Costs a lot each month.

Any suggestions of wet cat food brands your cats enjoy that are not too expensive?
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Imported food have been going up & up a lot. They take advantage of our weak currency & some also take advantage to fill their belly.

I don't know any local brand that is good. You could try homemade recipe. All meat recipe may cost more depending on how many cats you have. There are other recipes that contain a lot of fillers but use chicken liver+heart & any meat to cover protein & vitamins. This is cheaper I think.
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post Jul 18 2021, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(Kelly_Sim @ Jul 17 2021, 01:48 PM)
Unless these home made can apply the manufacturer's HACCP + guaranteed Analysis under ISO. I wouldn't mind buying them

Many gimmicks homemade are exploiting these so-called "natural cooking" methods. it is a ticking time bomb DVS will crack them down.

I did buy homemade before, but when I asked them, they can't even produce a standardized feeding nutrition value, meaning each cooking portion will have a different % of protein, fats and fibre. And each cooking will have different Vitamins. Which is dangerous for pets, because they can't speak if any health symptoms occur.

So before you talking about weak currency and conspiracy. it is very rare to find a Malaysian Manufacturer who could produce high-quality kibbles because the ISO and HACCP are so difficult to get and very tedious.

Research:
“Avoidance of conventional pet foods in favour of (home-made) and (raw food products) may put the health of dogs and cats at risk, ” warn the researchers, citing published analyses indicating insufficient levels of nutrients or imbalances in these diets and associated health conditions."
https://www.thestar.com.my/lifestyle/living...r-dogs-and-cats

Example of Analysis I found in Google

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Homemade recipes as in make yourself food for cats. Buy ingredients one by one & make it yourself.

There are so many people feed their cats with homemade cat food (make yourself) & raw meat without any problem. Be careful with articles you read because there are so many articles or websites that was setup by pet food company.


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post Jul 21 2021, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(Red_rustyjelly @ Jul 19 2021, 10:37 PM)
indirectly saying Veterinarian invented food are shits?  hmm.gif

so if your cat has loose stool or gastro problem, eat homemade made medicine?
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lol you miss the point.

As long as the food is nutritious to the pet & prepared properly, it is good food regardless it was homemade or commercial. What we don't agree is that article, directly saying homemade & raw food are bad. I think it is good idea to not read between the lines but read what explicitly stated.

Cats & dogs have live for thousand of years with homemade food. Back then there is no ISO or regulation. If we want to use the same logic that article use, commercial food is equally poses some risks too. Even pet food company outside Malaysia have recall their pet foods before because of some problem.

I don't know about veterinarian invented food but I guess some commercial pet food started with someone in veterinary field created special food for pets. But I think the ingredients have changed in modern commercial food. Right now, any pet food recommended by vet, they get paid for that. Private clinic is expensive, machines are expensive, so any sponsorship would be beneficial to them.
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post Jul 21 2021, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(Red_rustyjelly @ Jul 21 2021, 03:00 PM)
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No one force you to use homemade food. It is free country, almost.

And who buy homemade food? If that "homemade" food was prepared by a company & was sold as their product, that is commercial pet food.

"Homemade" food is food that you cook or prepared yourself. Everything is under your control; buy/prepared the ingredients yourself, you cook it yourself, you refrigerated it yourself, etc. Microwave oven nowadays very cheap. Easy to handle frozen raw meat without contaminated it.

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post Jul 22 2021, 01:27 PM

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anti-vax? lol that most stupid thing I have ever heard. I feed my cats both commercial & homemade food.

I have to agree that if you don't know 1000% what you're doing, don't do it. For example someone who buying "homemade" pet food, clearly did not do any research at all.

home-made
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adjective: homemade
made at home, rather than in a shop or factory.
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post Jul 23 2021, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(Adrian_Alastair @ Jul 23 2021, 02:10 PM)
Just adopted 2 4 month old kittens. Can recommend some budget friendly kibbles that are good in terms of nutrition? Currently I only know Whiskas.

I'm feeding them Purina One kibble at the moment a bit pricy.
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If Purina One is pricey, I think Greens a bit cheaper. There's another brand called Morando. It have same protein & fat content with Greens. I'm feeding this one to my cat. Her poops are nice. That's all I can say. biggrin.gif
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post Jul 29 2021, 02:40 PM

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Unfortunately some customer get mad when there's no repack. Favourite excuse is "I only have one cat".

Also the supplier control the price even the repack one. I mean supplier dictate the minimum price for repack. For example, if there is a shop sell 1kg repack way cheaper than the other shops, if other shops complaint to the supplier, that shop can get red flagged. Next time when that shop tried to order more, the supplier will refused to send to that shop. I was told this practice is to defeat money laundering. Some people open shop just to "clean" the money, so they don't really think about profit. I tried to research if this have anything to do with latest law that was introduced not long time ago but all I got is headache. lol Another reason is that supplier want all shops can sell their products. Not fair for other shops if one shop can sell way cheaper than others. All shops will follow supplier anyway. If some products they can't sell or near expiration date, they can send back to the supplier. This way shop don't loose money. If you see products in Shoppe or Lazada that are way cheaper than physicals shop, that usually because the seller bought in large quantity & they cannot send back if they cannot sell (or near expiration date).

As for recommendation, I did read before, a good cat food have content of animal protein above 40%. So the list of top recommendation cat food in Malaysia will be short.

Top Recommendation Cat Food in Malaysia:-
Taste of the Wild

There are other brands that contain protein above 40% but I only remember TOTW. Usual problem is availability. Not all shop sell these brands though.

Popular Brands (protein around 30%):-
Royal Canine
Purina One
Greens
IAMS

New kid on the block (protein around 30%):-
Tornado (priced slightly higher than Greens but I'm a bit skeptical with this brand though. I was told this is to fight Royal Canine.)
Morando (not really new. The "parent" brand is Migliorgatto whish is not new brand as far as I know.)

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post Aug 3 2021, 01:42 PM

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I top up everyday, after throwing the poop (flushed in the toilet) & the clumped litter. I don't throw away clean litter & I don't clean litter box every 3 weeks.
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post Aug 4 2021, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(Breaktru @ Aug 4 2021, 03:46 AM)
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I'm so sorry to hear that. Difficulty breathing sound very serious. Unless vet can do something like surgery, it doesn't look promising. I pray & hope your cat survive this.
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post Aug 10 2021, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(laucn @ Aug 6 2021, 01:29 PM)
so i adopted 3 cats, the previous owner says she fed them Royal Canin Hair and skin.
the first 5 days i fed them with cheap normal as RC H&S no stock.
then since 3 days ago i fed them RC H&S, and i begin to notice they vomit ( can see RC  H&S kibble from vomited matter)
The first 5 days they finished 3 bowls of kibble per day, now only half bowl of RC H&S kibble. sad.gif
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Sudden change & eat a lot in short span, can cause vomit too. RC is tasty. I have not found any cats that don't like RC. Cats when they get to eat tasty food, they'll eat too fast. Try reduce the portion. Try half portion for every meal.

QUOTE(gunpla student @ Aug 6 2021, 04:23 PM)
how about Everclean litter? Anyone can feedback on this brand please? Currently using Tofu but planning to move Pine/ever clean
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I have not try that. All litter in nearby shop are all made in china or local. No famous brands available. I use clumping sand litter & pine wood litter. For clumping sand litter, brand that I use varied because during covid imported stuff can stuck at custom. So I just buy any 10L bag that available.

QUOTE(peachpeach @ Aug 8 2021, 07:29 AM)
Im in Putra Heights area sad.gif The nearby vet quote me Rm200 for the mom alone 😭 Doubt can travel to kl any soon now.

😱😨 wth... Thanks for the tips. Will do a proper screening for their forever home. Is petfinder a good place to start?
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You can try ask permission from police. Or you can try gov veterinary clinic. Gov one very affordable.

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post Sep 7 2021, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(basilisk @ Sep 6 2021, 12:18 PM)
if i can afford i will go for acana all the way, got new flavour oredi, so can tukar tukar often.

first mate i got bli, i think pricey compare to the ingredient they put in, i consider it good, but not worth the price.

cindy- din buy, i say it's oem food.

totw- cheap consider it is grain free, made in usa direct import., but animal protein is not enuff. aroma not good enuff.

so i vote for acana- yes expensive...
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ACANA have how much protein?

FYI, we didn't get TOTW directly imported from US. We got the supply from Singapore. If directly, maybe the price can lower more but depend on if somebody decided to "fill his belly" first, then the price will still expensive.

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