Thinking about Australia, Canada, UAE, Netherlands...

Anyone have any recommendations for agencies I can speak to about this? Too many scammy ones out there...

Approach the individual High Comm for advise. They will have their criterias stated.....unless you want 'shortcut'

Is there a way to simplify these things perhaps? Do shortcuts even exist actually? Because most requirements seem to be the need to have relatives there, certain amounts of $ in your bank accounts, job secured etc etc

Or maybe I'm just being too damn lazy and I should just try it out myself lol (sorry if this is the case, been too busy with work)

I believe an Australian business visa can be bought for AUD5 million.

Unker win liao

That one is investor visa today bank in next week visa out dy. Business visa need 500k aud capital je

Why want to migrate. Malaysia not good enough?

Parking, also curious.

Say we cant afford AUD 5mil or AUD 5k, but got some money, how best to migrate out of Malaysia?

Why not USA? I hear their population is declining everyday, probably would appreciate foreigner wanting to migrate there.

If you got no money, you need to have skills.

If your skills are required in say Australia (check their government website for the skills required), then you have a chance.

Else, you will have to do it illegally.

Do it yourself, it's easy. Your application does not get any preferential treatment just because you use an agent. In fact it can be riskier to use an agent as agents can either be scams or they just do a shitty job....i.e. lose your documents, send wrong thing, give wrong advice, keep on changing rep that follows your case. All these can delay your application...so why would you open yourself to that. Again, no preferential treatments when your application is examined.

Of the 4 countries that you mentioned, Canada and Australia have structured intake processes to bring in immigrants and you do not really need any connection to those countries to move there. For Australia and Canada, all information that you need can be obtained from the relevant government websites. Those are your only true source, all documents and guidance that you ever need are there.

There are many classes, some require you to have job offers, some do not, some will bind your to a province/state, some do not. Some will require you to invest in a local business, some will not. So it's best to see which class is the most advantageous to you.

No such thing as shortcuts....anyone who claims that there's a way in other than the standard process is just BS, penipu scammer.

Once you are done here and actually do make the move, that's the just phase one completed.

You have then need to worry about settling in, if you have a job offer that takes off a big load but if you do not...........then that is tougher, you may end up doing shitty jobs for a few years before a breakthrough.....for many it will be never at all. Just because you were a manager or above in msia doesn't mean you will get something similar abroad, you may need to start from below again sometimes in a totally different field. This can be quite stressful and can be a push factor back to msia. T

That's why a lot of people try to make the move with an internal transfer at hand...therefore they enter laterally, avoid the whole local experience requirement. For example lah, you work for Shell Msia for a few years and have relevant and pertinent core business skills.....not some back office invoicing or admin BS, there's always opportunities to transfer to australia or Canada or Netherlands or UAE if there's a market need.



This post has been edited by feynman: Dec 7 2020, 12:40 PM

First things first... an agent is merely a “runner”, they cannot guarantee you a PR in whichever country you are applying in...

If you do not do your homework by visiting the official immigration website of the country you are interested in and understand the application process, you are still unwilling to leave Malaysia

Well spoken like a migrated person

If you are below 45 you can usually apply for skills migration instead of business migration which require you to plonk down a large sum of money.

Migration agencies can't "pull cable" for you but they can identify govt schemes where you can apply under to make it easier to qualify. My cousin paid RM10K for agency fees to apply to Australia and he got in under a little known Queensland engineering scheme.

Canada is your best bet as it is easier to get in. Forget about UAE. It is almost impossible.

lol.....RM10k for public information that can be googled simply, your cousin is a rich idiot........each state in australia has its own bespoke program. All that is required is one sunday afternoon to do this research.

A single application to immigrate to Canada today only about C$1.3k.......used to be cheaper. So to pay RM10k for information.....woah

why not NZ...

Parking first

Lovin' the answers everyone. Thanks especially to feynman for the inputs!

My current company has business arms in a few number of different countries, but managing support services at Group level...i'm not sure how easy it is for me to angle my exit to those other countries even though i've seen it being done before (favoritism). My job is something more...progressive. It's sustainability-related (think putting the green in green bonds, sustainability statements), so I don't think its as 'valuable' as the engineering guys and all. But of course never try never know.

It's just always advertised from these agencies that they can help you substantially etc etc so I thought that may very well be a real thing. Tbh I don't mind working shitty jobs at the start, honestly. I just need a solid foot in first...

This post has been edited by Endeavour: Dec 7 2020, 03:29 PM

Is it alright if I spoke to your cousin further to understand his process etc? Just to get more information from the ones that have successfully done so.

Not that Malaysia's not good enough, but rather I wanna escape from my family. And friends, too, actually. And just everything lol. Want a fresh start.

Long complicated story for mental health subforum, not for serious /k haha

Malaysia not good enough?

Brother, I came back from the US, you might wanna rethink about "grass is always greener on the other side".

sekian.

Why did you return?

I'm under no illusion that grass is greener on the other side, my friend...
I've been staying out of Malaysia since 17 actually, for a good number of years, but I made the conscious decision to come back for work. And I thought that with my friends/family we could do a lot together. And here we are now lol.

Why did you return to Malaysia, if you don't mind me asking?

Which part of US? I’m planning too but not US definitely

But you still need English certificate to proof language proficiency, right? Everywhere I read demands toefl/ielts/etc for those English speaking countries. But I also seen people migrating there without any English cert. How is that possible?

I studied in the US (California) for a good amount of years. To really "make it" over there, not much opportunities for "fresh off the boats" unless you just want to be a professional/employee who is very comfortable with an M-F job. Not to say that that's a crime, but I'm not that kind of person.

Once back in Malaysia, man...the opportunities are endless, especially if you have some daddykasi resources. And I'm really grateful that, I have lots of daddykasi resources, and even a backing of a public-listed company to do what I love.

Sekian.

Well, I got back because I have lots of daddykasi resources (legal), and recently got the full support from a listed company to do what I love.

I don't think with the identity I have in the US, I could've reached what I'm reaching now.

If you're wondering what you saw in the US, like immigrants making it big, well maybe they got lucky and they're just one of the very very few who made it.

My father always tells me: what you see is just the 1 out of 100, behind the scenes, maybe 90 or more died.
(not literally died, but failed and vanished into thin air).

Don’t you miss the cali weather, lifestyle and even food?

singapork

Yeah the only thing I'm missing is the weather..hmm it's dry and windy.

Lifestyle - not so...not much different from Subang Jaya showoffs

Food - Lots of good food here bro.

Nice. Similar rationale that led me to come back - just tapping on my own connections here. With the boost coming from family, seriously, the lifestyle difference is staggering. That's also why I returned. But then things have been disappointing here, or not good enough, so this is once again among my considerations.

What are you doing now then, if you don't mind me asking? Or if its private we can just chat through PMs too. Genuinely curious about your journey thus far.

Let's discuss further, maybe if we consolidate our information we can get a clearer view of things?

This is also a good question.
On English requirements, even for me exchanging over to EU, I needed to take the IELTS test. So for migration..it seems like it's a basic requirement.

Or actually they went there illegally?

You PM me bro

Why not consider the UK? They have a clear cut process for people who want to stay in the uk. You secure a job under tier 2 general visa sponsorship, after 5 years you can apply for ILR (PR)..

grass not always greener on the other side

i studied in aussie then worked there few years, bought houses (2 in fact) and thought i was successful

but something is still missing, ur old friends, family, the fact u can hang out at mamak etc made me came back to kl for good...

Are you planning to stay there for good? Or just afew year stint?
Easiest ways are to study and find a job there after,
investor/business owner which would require high capital.

In the current situation of covid, finding a job is slightly harder due to the travel restrictions and what not.. however I believe Singapore would be the easiest to get off you are looking to pack up and leave asap while thinking on what your next move is

Probably staying there permanently..
Yup I've considered taking up masters to do so, but the thing is that money can be more well spent (RM200K for a masters in UK, seriously?) and there's the preparatory stage as well (I did GMAT a few years ago, score of 700 can only get you so far to a good masters programme if you're asian+male unfortunately).

SG has been among my considerations before as well, but tbh SG is too close to home, still.

Currency difference is one of the key reasons too, but that's secondary in comparison to lifestyle/freedom of heart and mind.

Taiwan lah

Well if you can of it that way, if you really want to.

Start from 0?

Or use existing springboard to achieve higher?

Your choice, both are not crimes.

Well Singapore could be a first step in moving to other countries if those don't work out at first.
Tech companies in singapore are miles ahead in comparison to malaysian companies. Opening you up to companies like fb, google, aws and etc. Also financial wise, can be used as a stable financial base for you to before you venture to us, uk and etc due to the strong currency rate.

Cause 200k myr is just 70k sgd.. which is very reachable compared to 200k myr

Lived in Taipei before for a few years lol shitty place.
Feels good if you're traveling there for sight seeing though.

Get an approved permanent job and marry the local people from the country you want to migrate into but i believe it's not an easy step either.

Btw, i read that Canada is very open to migration, maybe you can try your luck there. Probably is the easiest one to migrate into.

I would like to but I’m too young for this right now

In a couple of years ---I hope there will be a thread where ELDERLY FOLKS can MIGRATE for say a few months per year to a different country

Whatever you want to call it ( holiday / migration / whatever )

Yes it is possible and I have to train some of them At my place of work, finally back in April, HQ told the manager to start hiring more people cause HQ wanted to switch from the 2 shift to 4 shift by spring next year.. Many of the new hires are Pinoys and Punjabis. What do they do back in Pinoyland. Most are laborer, office/retail workers. One is a farm worker. How did they migrated? It's under the family class ....some came TFWs while others had to take a number and wait for their turn. The ex farm worker....he told me he had to wait for 10 yrs
To those who are procrastinating whether to leave or stay, one thing for sure, the immigration bar is going to be raise higher and higher. The days where one can emigrate with JCE or MCE certificates are long gone. The govt is tightening up the family class category. The waiting time is getting longer When Feynman was a student if Iam not mistaken the wait time was under 1 year. Now it is 4 to 5 years for those with nothing to offer. Govt only willing to fast track those with special skills the country badly needed.

Migration is a very serious matter. It involves a drastic change in lifestyle, occupation, food, culture, relationships and your entire future. It requires great motivation and determination to make a success of a migration. You are basically pulling up your roots and transplanting elsewhere. Your reason for migrating to escape from family and friends is not good enough. It may result in regrets and a failed migration.

Why let others determine the trajectory of your life? Face up to them instead of running away. Migrate only if you really want to settle in a different country, not to escape from some people.

First thing first. Are you willing to put up with cold winter?
Secondly.... it all depends on the economy. Yes the govt want to bring in more people. But unemployment is high. As unemployment rise people get hostile to high immigration rate. Just like Spore...any surprise as locals get hostile towards new migrants? Govt stimulus spending is not working to get the economy going. What will happen when the fat lady sings?

Seriously, it is really important to get a job before relocating. If you’re in tech, much better. Having funds is also nice but may not provide the best value as most people take the masters route then try to seek job while their visa is still valid but a lot of them ended up going back to Malaysia. The competition is high because in Uk and Netherlands, you’ll be competing with Europeans who don’t require a visa and with brexit coming next year, much harder. There are even less opportunities in Aussie land and if you don’t make enough, your quality of life would not be good. Travelling and living in a country is very different. You don’t want to be eating shitty food and live in a crappy unfamiliar neighbourhood just for the sake of getting out. If you’re young and willing to risk a few years to navigate your luck, I wish you all the best but my best advise is first upskill yourself (probably in tech) then look for jobs

I’m luckily enough to be able to migrate to the EU having same and better job prospects than in Msia but I don’t consider myself rich, just very comfortable. I know money and career is not your priority but it’s important to consider in order to live enjoy like a local and not a bangla (unless you got nothing to lose now)

Then you need to start to jilat the right people to see if opportunities open up. As you know, these jobs are not advertised, it's through conversations of your bosses. Start talking to you boss and see if there's an appetite to help you. If you sense that the company has no desire to do such a thing, then you gotta decide what the plan is as you'll be heading in cold. Speak to friends and network in the target country see what they say and what they can do for you.

I know it's odd, there are people with years of experience and somehow they are told to do unpaid internships at their new countries.......its just a form of discrimination.


Again depends on class of immigration, all legal. Some do, some do not. When I say some do, some even require that a British citizen to submit IELTS, that's how stupid it is.

Are you financially solid?

why was it shitty?

Nah not now. With all the Covid and political gamesmanship happening, IRCC has been either slow due to reduced workforce or just intentional.

My colleagues waited like 6 months to get their work permit renewed. Visa is still pending.

I just submitted my renewal 2 weeks ago. Fk knows how long it will take lol. Maybe its gonna be faster in the new year.

This is the law firm which my company uses for immigration dealings

https://embarkation.ca/

This post has been edited by Aztec: Dec 7 2020, 10:35 PM

You think just because you come from a commonwealth country, so you can get a free pass to these English speaking countries? The english standard of your birth country is getting worse with each passing day after all.
And what's so hard with taking these tests? I did it twice for diff purposes. I know some eastern european girl did it four times just to get enough points to get accepted into the system.
And an English test is just a starting point. More to come.
How would you know people who got in without an English cert? They told you personally or it was just hearsay?

This post has been edited by klein: Dec 7 2020, 10:39 PM

Want shortcuts? You think everywhere is like Malaysia, shortcuts here and there?
Lazy and full of excuses? Better stay where you are.
Pinoys are coming in droves and they aren't even the most educated bunch around. One day when our future generation is desperate enough, then they would also take up home care positions to care for these overseas Pinoys

They told me personally. FYI, it's not your typical white collar job.

My oh my. I vaguely recall you said you dislike working in Canada some 2 years ago and couldnt wait to GTFO of Vancouver. Now you want to come back?? Better delete what you wrote lest you want someone to dig out those threads and call you a hypocrite

actually he is right. It depends on case to case basis.

For example, do you know that you need to submit all payslips if you have worked for the last 10 years. ( every last slips) AND letter from ur ex company that you have worked with them. If you fail to submit this, your job specific agency that verify ur valid experience, may reject your experiences.

if IT, Then its ACS ( Australia Computer Society). Not all info you can get from just web, you need agents to draft and advise you. thats what you are paying them for.

This post has been edited by bananajoe: Dec 8 2020, 10:02 AM

Lying, bluffing are the method to get ahead. How can a company assess a person work experience from some 3 rd world country? Once hired very difficult to fired the person I said it before and I will say it again. Have you seen people with nothing to lose play the race/racism card? Even worse by going to the media with unfound allegations So the options left internship or local work experience for those who have no internal transfer

British citizen requiring IELTS and you thing its stupid? Wake and smell the coffee. Look at those riff raffs that are gate crashing trying to get into the island. Those who succeeded Do you thing they will be content with refugee status or try to get citizenship after a few years on the island. Will these people English standard be the same as those who are born and educated on the island??
p/s...do you know Canada allows language exemption? People no longer need to show proficient i either English or French when applying for citizenship. All thanks to the current idiot residing at 24 Sussex Drive

This post has been edited by segamatboy: Dec 8 2020, 10:19 AM

Demand for blue collar job outstrips demand for white collar jobs. Some low skill blue collar jobs are in such demand that Canada are willing to fast track their application. I am sure after a few years those who work in those low skill buy high in demand jobs will apply for PR and Canada will give it to them I know of one particular job that is high in demand and no need for English or French language skill. These workers are consider essential workers. Got covid case. No need for 14 days shutdown. Clean up and sanitize the place and get back to work ASAP. Read it in the papers months ago

This post has been edited by segamatboy: Dec 8 2020, 10:29 AM

Unpaid internship is illegal in countries which have a minimum wage which is most Western countries. There may be cases of people being exploited illegally but I don't think this is common for legal migrants.


This post has been edited by KennyKB: Dec 8 2020, 11:12 AM

I still do lol..COVID has delayed my departure. The renewal is just in case I need to go back into Canada beyond my current validity period.

I have a job offer elsewhere. Just waiting on the contract and visa to get sorted at the moment.

This post has been edited by Aztec: Dec 8 2020, 11:45 AM

I see migration is still a hot topic, despite the pandemic...albeit less than before....

And the usual suspects still around.... Feynman, Kenji etc....

Specific to Australia, migration is almost at a standstill for most of this year....those granted visas cannot enter anyway....

take beer

I heard similar things for Canada tbh, I've gotta take a closer look at it over the weekend...

And lol I did get a permanent job back in Taipei, I also had a Taiwanese girlfriend, but man oh man it just wasn't the place for me. I don't regret any of it though. Because Taiwan is way too controlled; the people there are fake as hell; the news is a joke; the political environment is hyper unsteady with the threats of China becoming ever present; Taiwanese companies not growing much anymore aside from the financial services sector; etc.

Yes, there are a lot of things to be loved, but it's really not that great. Same goes to a lot of places I guess, just that specifically, that country ain't for me.