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 [2020]iPhone 12 Pro/Pro Max Discussion Thread | V3, It’s a leap year.

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post Jan 30 2022, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(fruitie @ Jan 13 2022, 04:16 PM)
No such thing la.. I already stopped using wireless charger for a year, and my battery life is 84% now. laugh.gif 12 series is really having hopeless battery life. Got my 12PM on day 1 on MY launch date.
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QUOTE(shaniandras2787 @ Jan 30 2022, 07:50 PM)
bought my 12P on the first day of launch, am on 85% now. disappointing battery capacity aside, I figured that it's the heat from charging that's draining the health.

had been using the 5W (wired) for the first 7 - 8 months or so and only a slight drop in battery health but when I switched to the higher wattage (20W and also wired) for fast charging, that's when I noticed the battery health dropped dramatically (at least 5% within the first 3 months).

already switched back to the 5W and it appears to have stabilized itself at 85%.
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I can't find the video, but someone did some research to say the battery health algorithm is just that, not accurate.

Even both my sis and mum's iphone shows 70%, it shows battery health good, the phone just randomly shuts down. After changing battery all good. Apple reseller QCD was saying it could be some other problem. tongue.gif
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post Jan 30 2022, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(dreamthief @ Jan 30 2022, 10:15 PM)
I can't find the video, but someone did some research to say the battery health algorithm is just that, not accurate.

Even both my sis and mum's iphone shows 70%, it shows battery health good, the phone just randomly shuts down. After changing battery all good. Apple reseller QCD was saying it could be some other problem.  tongue.gif
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yeap, it's inaccurate. the numbers shown are just an "indication" of how long one full charge can last you. it's the chemical age of the battery and it is calculated based on the number of charge cycles divided by a myriad of factors within the iPhone itself which Apple will not disclose. this is why every user experiences different scenarios.

for me, I noticed that the battery health number dropped after I used a fast charger and it stabilizes after I reverted back to 5W so that works for me.

Apple has a funny way of making sure the iOS works properly so if the chip discovers that the battery is no longer at its peak, it will slow down computing power (eg: performance) in exchange for up time.

this is also why Apple was sued by users for deliberately slowing down older iPhones.
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post Jan 31 2022, 08:41 AM

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QUOTE(shaniandras2787 @ Jan 30 2022, 07:50 PM)
bought my 12P on the first day of launch, am on 85% now. disappointing battery capacity aside, I figured that it's the heat from charging that's draining the health.

had been using the 5W (wired) for the first 7 - 8 months or so and only a slight drop in battery health but when I switched to the higher wattage (20W and also wired) for fast charging, that's when I noticed the battery health dropped dramatically (at least 5% within the first 3 months).

already switched back to the 5W and it appears to have stabilized itself at 85%.
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To be fair, fast charging is known to degrade the battery faster comparing to Low voltage charging.
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post Jan 31 2022, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(shaniandras2787 @ Jan 30 2022, 11:36 PM)
yeap, it's inaccurate. the numbers shown are just an "indication" of how long one full charge can last you. it's the chemical age of the battery and it is calculated based on the number of charge cycles divided by a myriad of factors within the iPhone itself which Apple will not disclose. this is why every user experiences different scenarios.

for me, I noticed that the battery health number dropped after I used a fast charger and it stabilizes after I reverted back to 5W so that works for me.

Apple has a funny way of making sure the iOS works properly so if the chip discovers that the battery is no longer at its peak, it will slow down computing power (eg: performance) in exchange for up time.

this is also why Apple was sued by users for deliberately slowing down older iPhones.
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QUOTE(westlife @ Jan 31 2022, 08:41 AM)
To be fair, fast charging is known to degrade the battery faster comparing to Low voltage charging.
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I’m still in opinion.. higher charge typically means more heat. Chemically, making ions work harder. It’s a 100m race

Slow charge that you do overnight, while chipset and whatever controls it. It’s constantly getting ions to work non stop. Less heat but it’s like marathon.

Above is my pure opinion, no scientific basis. Just imagine you wanna do 100m race all the times or marathon. Bit of both is best I guess.

But again, the lesser you use your phone.. less notifications and background app refresh. That probably helps.

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post Feb 7 2022, 11:25 AM

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Reporting in for a 1-year-old unit (exactly 1-year-old)
Battery health dropped off from the 100% mark at month 11plus to 99%, and now it's standing at 97% battery health (dropped 2% within 1 month).

Not a very heavy user myself, only use for texting, some social media and media consumption.
I rarely charge up to 100% (probably done less than 10 times, where I forgot to unplug), I've never charged overnight too as I don't need to.
I've also tried not to let the charge slip below 20% (probably did it only a handful of times?)

Only use Navigation (Waze/Maps) IF I forgot to bring my IP7. Rarely play games too.

Yeah, so coming back to the iPhone from the droid side of things does make my mobile phone experience feel somewhat boring... but heck it's so functional and easy to use, which is what I actually need.
The lack of the fingerprint unlock feature really is a PITA at this pandemic time when we're out and about...

The best part is, it really took away much of my "battery about to die" fear and constantly looking for charging or the need of carrying a power bank... very much ease up some stress and my OCD on the battery % charge.

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post Feb 8 2022, 01:29 PM

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Yeap, heat and lithium ion battery aren't exactly a pair matchmade in heaven. There's always the issue of managing heat when it comes to charging and Apple went to the extent of introducing "optimizing charging" to make sure the phone doesn't charge past 80% until "it is time" to unplug. Just to probably extend the battery life for what, 2 weeks? confused.gif

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iOS 15.4 will introduce Face ID (with mask on). Reports from beta testers so far has been encouraging but unsure how much it will compromise on security though.

In respect of battery health percentages, I guess no users should actually be bothered with it, in fact, it shouldn't even be there in the first place if it weren't for lawsuits filed by consumers on other parts of the world. Apple put the numbers there because they "have to" not because they "need to". So just use the phone and charge it in any manner you like or how frequent you prefer because chances are, you'd switch to a new phone before the battery starts giving you problems.

Besides, battery replacements aren't exactly expensive so yeah, that's an option.

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post Feb 9 2022, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(shaniandras2787 @ Feb 8 2022, 01:29 PM)
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Yeap, heat and lithium ion battery aren't exactly a pair matchmade in heaven. There's always the issue of managing heat when it comes to charging and Apple went to the extent of introducing "optimizing charging" to make sure the phone doesn't charge past 80% until "it is time" to unplug. Just to probably extend the battery life for what, 2 weeks?  :confused:

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That’s one angle. If charging overnight no problem. 5w low blah blah. Then why Apple introduce optimize charging. But again.. generally don’t do overnight charging.


iOS 15.4 will introduce Face ID (with mask on). Reports from beta testers so far has been encouraging but unsure how much it will compromise on security though.

Good but not as good as full face scan. To me it’s good enough also.

In respect of battery health percentages, I guess no users should actually be bothered with it, in fact, it shouldn't even be there in the first place if it weren't for lawsuits filed by consumers on other parts of the world. Apple put the numbers there because they "have to" not because they "need to". So just use the phone and charge it in any manner you like or how frequent you prefer because chances are, you'd switch to a new phone before the battery starts giving you problems.

Besides, battery replacements aren't exactly expensive so yeah, that's an option.
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Battery replacement not expensive? Says you. But to me… if you can afford iPhone. Why can’t afford the components. Same as u can buy bmw or merc. U can’t afford do maintenance and change parts.

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post Feb 9 2022, 10:39 PM

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QUOTE(dreamthief @ Feb 9 2022, 10:12 PM)
Battery replacement not expensive? Says you. But to me… if you can afford iPhone. Why can’t afford the components. Same as u can buy bmw or merc. U can’t afford do maintenance and change parts.
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yeah, the last I checked the price for battery replacement ranges between RM300 - RM400 which is about 10% of the price of the original phone (when bought) and i would have the battery replaced rather than do an outright purchase of a new iPhone for no apparent reason (especially when the new iPhones is not a significant upgrade).


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QUOTE(shaniandras2787 @ Feb 9 2022, 10:39 PM)
yeah, the last I checked the price for battery replacement ranges between RM300 - RM400 which is about 10% of the price of the original phone (when bought) and i would have the battery replaced rather than do an outright purchase of a new iPhone for no apparent reason (especially when the new iPhones is not a significant upgrade).
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Hi. about the battery replacement quote, did you quote it at the machines service centre or other phone repair stores? I am planning to change my 12 pro's battery cause it has already depleted to 84% blink.gif
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post Feb 10 2022, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(jmwm @ Feb 10 2022, 09:46 AM)
Hi. about the battery replacement quote, did you quote it at the machines service centre or other phone repair stores? I am planning to change my 12 pro's battery cause it has already depleted to 84%  blink.gif
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I got my quote last November with Switch - didn't bother with unauthorized repair shops.

84% battery health is still a healthy figure, there is no need for a replacement unless you noticed a significant drop in on screen time and it has affected your user experience as a whole.

generally, iPhone is still be very usable above 70%.


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QUOTE(jmwm @ Feb 10 2022, 09:46 AM)
Hi. about the battery replacement quote, did you quote it at the machines service centre or other phone repair stores? I am planning to change my 12 pro's battery cause it has already depleted to 84%  blink.gif
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dun ever go for third party one. actually apple's original battery replacement price is quite reasonable.
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post Feb 12 2022, 03:47 AM

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QUOTE(shaniandras2787 @ Feb 9 2022, 10:39 PM)
yeah, the last I checked the price for battery replacement ranges between RM300 - RM400 which is about 10% of the price of the original phone (when bought) and i would have the battery replaced rather than do an outright purchase of a new iPhone for no apparent reason (especially when the new iPhones is not a significant upgrade).
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QUOTE(jmwm @ Feb 10 2022, 09:46 AM)
Hi. about the battery replacement quote, did you quote it at the machines service centre or other phone repair stores? I am planning to change my 12 pro's battery cause it has already depleted to 84%  blink.gif
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https://www.itworld.com.my/iPhone-Battery-R...acement-Program

Rm388.. same day replacement. ITworld recommended place.

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post Feb 23 2022, 01:44 PM

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Happy to report that seems like the battery health percentage has stopped deteriorating / stabilized in iOS 15.3.1 - i did not notice any crazy drops like how it was before prior to 15.3.1. Fault reporting previously?

Software fix i guess.

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QUOTE(shaniandras2787 @ Feb 23 2022, 01:44 PM)
[UPDATES]

Happy to report that seems like the battery health percentage has stopped deteriorating / stabilized in iOS 15.3.1 - i did not notice any crazy drops like how it was before prior to 15.3.1. Fault reporting previously?

Software fix i guess.
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Same. Mine had been stuck at 84% since 15.3 and till now. No more massive dropping. Looks stable now.
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post Apr 12 2022, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(alexleow81 @ Apr 11 2022, 10:46 PM)
Same. Mine had been stuck at 84% since 15.3 and till now. No more massive dropping. Looks stable now.
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Yeap, mine is maintained at 84% too.
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post Apr 16 2022, 06:12 AM

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Haha mine also stucked at 84% now somehow.

My battery health journey:

*Purchased phone 11/2020
14/5/2021 99%
18/5 98%
26/5 97%
30/5 96%
25/7 95%
1/8 94%
22/9 93%
27/9 92%
05/10 91%
28/10 90%
22/11 89%
07/01/2022 88%
10/01 87%
16/01 86%
29/01 85%
18/03 84%

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post Apr 17 2022, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(zuhaili87 @ Apr 16 2022, 06:12 AM)
Haha mine also stucked at 84% now somehow.

My battery health journey:

*Purchased phone 11/2020
14/5/2021 99%
18/5 98%
26/5 97%
30/5 96%
25/7 95%
1/8 94%
22/9 93%
27/9 92%
05/10 91%
28/10 90%
22/11 89%
07/01/2022 88%
10/01 87%
16/01 86%
29/01 85%
18/03 84%
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I commend and salute u for tracking this.
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QUOTE(zuhaili87 @ Apr 16 2022, 06:12 AM)
Haha mine also stucked at 84% now somehow.
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Oh wow, this is some next level commitment to tracking battery health thumbup.gif
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