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 PS5 Chat tread ver2, 11th December 2020 - MALAYSIA LAUNCH DAY

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SSJBen
post Nov 23 2020, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(lavie87 @ Nov 23 2020, 04:14 PM)
been climbs this tread for a while, but it seems so little discussion about audio setup. My ps4 is currently using an old receiver which the hdmi input is broken, given by my uncle. I connect my ps4-receiver with optical, hence removal of optical output on ps5 is a critical hit on me. Any recommendation? What are you guys using or planning to use?
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Best for you to get a more modern receiver.

If you absolutely do not want, then your best bet is to get a SHARC - https://www.amazon.com/Thenaudio-SHARC-Conv...uct_top?ie=UTF8

The SHARC would allow for you to split the audio back to optical and still maintain video output for HDMI 2.1 compliance with your TV.
It is however a bit pricey and is often out of stock due to its popularity.
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post Nov 23 2020, 06:13 PM

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Not surprising. Been an issue that was spotted when Sony first release their own teardown video. But blind fanboys would just say "how do you know?".

Lol.

EDIT - that said, a GDDR6's Tjunction Max is 100c and its recommended operating temp is 0-95c. Sony is theoretically still within spec, but what Steve couldn't tell is that if the memory on the surface of the chip is hitting that 100c limit or not.

So what will happen? Well, in the short term - nothing.
Long term? It has been proven in the PC side that over the last decade that high temperatures in memory can lead to degradation. Memory could start producing errors and glitches, the common one being broken pixels like green lines in place of an object. But long term degradation will also lead to more frequent throttling of the memory clockspeeds, which would lead to reduced performance obviously.

Keep in mind that memory can degrade at a much lower temperature too, which is what the PC side has observed. The PS5 running in the 90s is quite extreme and don't be surprised you see plenty of memory related issues in a year from now.

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QUOTE(wkn @ Nov 23 2020, 06:57 PM)
so give me your analysis.

is ps5 going to die from over heating like that video that was released a few weeks ago or is it going to sound like a god damn jet engine like ps4?
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Copy pasta from my above edit -
A GDDR6's Tjunction Max is 100c and its recommended operating temp is 0-95c. Sony is theoretically still within spec, but what Steve couldn't tell is that if the memory on the surface of the chip is hitting that 100c limit or not.

So what will happen? Well, in the short term - nothing.
Long term? It has been proven in the PC side that over the last decade that high temperatures in memory can lead to degradation. Memory could start producing errors and glitches, the common one being broken pixels like green lines in place of an object. But long term degradation will also lead to more frequent throttling of the memory clockspeeds, which would lead to reduced performance obviously.

Keep in mind that memory can degrade at a much lower temperature too, which is what the PC side has observed. The PS5 running in the 90s is quite extreme and don't be surprised you see plenty of memory related issues in a year from now.

To add to your question:

No, the console won't sound as loud as it did with the PS4 and PS4 Pro. The fan is locked to an RPM range, well below of what it can achieve. But I do not think that even if Sony launches a firmware to push the fan to max speed (which trust me would sound louder than both the PS4 and Pro combined), it'd do very much to lower the temps of the memory. The crux of the issue is that the memory has no surface area to dissipate its temperatures to.

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post Nov 23 2020, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(Currylaksa @ Nov 23 2020, 07:59 PM)
Steve also floated the possibility of Sony getting letter of exception/exemption from memory manufacturer for running at the spec limit

Hoping the near-term revision can have some thermal pad on the memory modules, or connectivity to the VRM heat pipe
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It doesn't matter if there's bigger thermal pads for the memory if there is no heatsink area for the chips to dissipate heat to, which is the case currently. It would require an entirely revised heatsink solution and that simply isn't possible in the near future considering they can't even keep up with supply right now.
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QUOTE(gokucorp @ Nov 23 2020, 09:22 PM)
All these breaking situation is it hardware or software causing it?
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Both.


QUOTE(lavie87 @ Nov 23 2020, 09:35 PM)
oh my, my wallet will bleed alot if I have to upgrade my receiver. Before this, I'm thinking of getting a sony x90h, which already hurt alot.

Is x90H ok to use as monitor? aside of its large 55" size. I'm currently using old 27" Samsung P2770H for both pc and ps4.

And what do you guys think about soundbar? I love the audio from my old receiver, it is amazing, but it is taken up way too many spaces of my room. Any soundbar that on par with receiver?
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You'll have to find a way to accept a 55" screen 3ft from your eyes. If you can, then sure the x90H is suitable as a monitor.

Soundbars are trash. End of story.
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post Nov 23 2020, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(lavie87 @ Nov 23 2020, 10:46 PM)
lol, never thought soundbars are that sucks.

3ft distance for a 55" tv? wow, I thought I need at least 6ft away.
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If it's 6ft away, that no longer is a monitor lol?
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post Nov 24 2020, 01:33 PM

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It's simply business, nothing personal.

History and data has shown that Singaporeans are more likely to adopt new technology than Malaysians. Mind I remind you guys that everyone here on this thread is but a speck of a minority that is vocal about the PS5.

Also unfortunately for Malaysians, the average Singaporean has higher buying power thus they are also more likely to pick up more software (games) than the average Malaysian gamer. It would make sense for SIE to concentrate on the market with the biggest sale potential first then instead of spreading their profits thin throughout every country.
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post Nov 24 2020, 03:36 PM

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Please don't start bullshit rumors about the PS5 "lite".

It's not even a rumor. It's some bullshit a no name thought of when he was taking a shit in the morning.

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post Nov 24 2020, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(MasterConfucion @ Nov 24 2020, 04:56 PM)
Evrytime I scroll through FB will have some bad news that happen to ps5. Just few minutes ago I read it very frustrating to turn off the ps5 console.

Is ps5 really thatbbad!? Like that but Xbox better
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Bad apples exists in every electronic product. That's just the nature of how it is.

What people have to understand is why the problems are being caused and how it is happening. I keep posting flaws about the PS5 because people should understand the system they own, even if playing games is all that matters on it. That doesn't mean you should shy away from the console if it interests you, nothing lasts forever anyways.
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post Nov 24 2020, 09:54 PM

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FB posts are just idiots talking shit.

If you guys really want to read issues, check here - https://redd.it/jspoh7
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post Nov 24 2020, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(izzudrecoba @ Nov 24 2020, 10:48 PM)
Bro, chill. Why so many shit?  cool2.gif
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I am chill, very chill. Why do you think I'm not?

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post Nov 26 2020, 12:33 PM

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Haiyo. PSN launch 13 years liao, people still asking if US PSN can work in Msia.

You can buy the PS+ code from cdkeys (or anywhere else) and then redeem the code on your US PSN account, which can be accessed anywhere in the world including, yes - MALAYSIA.
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post Nov 26 2020, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(whatnametoput? @ Nov 26 2020, 12:37 PM)
you need to explain more..its buy ps plus US and claim on US PSN account only ,then set US PSN account as main in the console . then make new malaysia PSN account and can get the online service ...but every month free game need to be claim on US account only
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This has been explained a billion times.

It's time people learn the hard way.
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post Nov 26 2020, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(TOMEI-R @ Nov 26 2020, 12:54 PM)
Thanks for the explanation. But wouldn't be having a MY account be much easier since its only Rm119 now? Or US PSN account has more games for download/ features?
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It used to be that MY PSN gets trash monthly games and the sales were a joke - almost like Sony was having a laughing bet each month seeing how many idiots actually buy games off their store. This was during the PS3 and early PS4 days.

They're about equal now.
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post Nov 27 2020, 01:23 PM

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Theoretically it's cheaper to buy PS4 Miles Morales on sale, get the free upgrade then pay $20 for the Remastered Spider-Man.

Just sayin'.

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post Nov 27 2020, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(wkn @ Nov 27 2020, 04:26 PM)
i will just wait for 2nd gen dualsense with more powerful battery before i buy a second controller.
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Won't happen.
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post Nov 27 2020, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(wkn @ Nov 27 2020, 04:57 PM)
why not? DS4 got 2nd gen with more powerful battery.
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Don't know which planet you get a DS4 v2 with more powerful battery. But on this Earth, both v1 and v2 DS4 uses the same battery. Only difference is the connector.

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post Nov 27 2020, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(wkn @ Nov 27 2020, 05:13 PM)
really ah? my latest ds4v2 can last 4 times longer then my og ds4. what bullshit?
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That's because your older DS4's battery doesn't hold the same charge anymore. That's logic, not bullshit. doh.gif
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post Nov 27 2020, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(wkn @ Nov 27 2020, 05:22 PM)
what logic? when i my og ds4 was brand new, the battery life was around only 4 hours.

with my ds4v2, battery life is around 3 or 4 times longer then that.
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The vibration motors uses a different design, is more efficient hence lower power usage. Sony also introduced the feature to reduce battery usage by lowering brightness of the light bar. The v2 also reduced the polling rate between controller and console, again reducing battery usage.
You are mistaken over your v1 DS4 when it was new vs the v2 DS4. You don't have a time comparison between them both side by side when both are new, so yes - it's logic.


Here, do a test since you are so confident that both v1 and v2 DS4 uses different battery, if you can point out which one is v1 and v2 battery in the picture below correctly, I buy you a new DualSense. If you guess wrong, you buy me one.

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How bout it? Berani take the challenge?

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post Nov 27 2020, 05:44 PM

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QUOTE(Lynixx @ Nov 27 2020, 05:42 PM)
The battery is not better, the components equipped to use the same battery is more efficient. That's the difference in battery life.

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