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etan26
post Jan 4 2024, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(bee88 @ Jan 4 2024, 10:39 AM)
The solar db is connected to our house db. It’s not connected to the Tnb grid directly. 

So it will be self consumption first, then extra will be sent out. This is confirmed.

Yes, u need to have Tnb supply to start generation. But that only to start. Once ur system produce enough, u don’t draw from Tnb anymore.

Also, one thing to consider. Ur system could be producing 1-2kw in the morning, before it peak, and at that time if u on aircond, maybe ur usage is more than 1-2kw, so the balance they draw from Tnb.

But when u peak at 10-12kw during afternoon, and ur appliances only run about 1-2kw, u will send the extra to them. 
So the net import figure from the bill is from this kind of usage.
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If our inverted can do it, why can't during blackout period? Simply because our inverter cannot cater for direct usage.

Show me where its said this "Yes, u need to have Tnb supply to start generation. But that only to start. Once ur system produce enough, u don’t draw from Tnb anymore. "

I connect them to my 2nd floor DB ... So my ground floor not using solar energy? They do travel backward to the meter?

This post has been edited by etan26: Jan 4 2024, 10:50 AM
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post Jan 4 2024, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(etan26 @ Jan 4 2024, 10:37 AM)
I did asked my solar supplier before, we can't used our solar energy directly at this moment because the inverter can't cater for it.

Maybe in the future .... hopefully we can used it during blackout in the day time.
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No. As long as you don’t have the battery solution, u can’t straight use solar energy. Coz ur inverter need minimal power to start. And it is not stable to direct use anyway.

That’s why the solar db is connected to home db. And Tnb also connect to home db.

Then power come from two ways to your db.

If ur solar produce enough, the Tnb just a standby. If not it will top up. Especially in morning.
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post Jan 4 2024, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(etan26 @ Jan 4 2024, 10:43 AM)
If our inverted can do it, why can't during blackout period? Simply because our inverter cannot cater for direct usage.

Show me where its said this "Yes, u need to have Tnb supply to start generation. But that only to start. Once ur system produce enough, u don’t draw from Tnb anymore. "
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To be honest , sometimes solar supplier aren’t straight forward to explain everything to the consumer.

Last time, I was told ac dc conversion loss when it was clipping.
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post Jan 4 2024, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(etan26 @ Jan 4 2024, 10:43 AM)
If our inverted can do it, why can't during blackout period? Simply because our inverter cannot cater for direct usage.

Show me where its said this "Yes, u need to have Tnb supply to start generation. But that only to start. Once ur system produce enough, u don’t draw from Tnb anymore. "
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If you have a battery solution, the inverter will get the power from battery to continue the generation or else it will stop.

U try check ur home system.

If u switch off your home db, does your solar work?

For me, I switch off my home db, solar still work.

Coz I connect to incoming, not outgoing. Most setup connect to outgoing, not incoming.
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post Jan 4 2024, 10:48 AM

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Can't I just connect solar panels to the ev charger without informing tnb/sesco? By my calculation to charge an ev I need 32 solar panels?
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jan 4 2024, 10:48 AM)
Can't I just connect solar panels to the ev charger without informing tnb/sesco? By my calculation to charge an ev I need 32 solar panels?
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U can try doing an offgrid system.

That means u need a battery solution. So thst u have a stable supply of electricity.
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post Jan 4 2024, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(bee88 @ Jan 4 2024, 10:42 AM)
U can try do this.

Check your inverter app for the total generation for December.

Let’s say 1200kwh

Then u compare with your export figure from Tnb bill for December.

It will be less than 1200kwh. For my case, it will be around 900-1000kwh

Where did the 200-300kwh go?

This means we have used the 200-300 units.

Analogy.
Ur farm produce 100 apples. U eat 30. So u can only sell 70.
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Your solar is under which NEM? If NEM 3.0 then definitely your understanding is totally wrong, the extra 200-300kwh is accumulated in your NEM BAKI ACCOUNT balance until 31 Dec of the year, if you don't consume it within the period, TNB will write off the extra balance in next year January bill.

Mine is TNB 3.0 like the other guy explained to you

Checked your TNB bill, think your December 2023 Bill now appear with "NIL" amount of NEM BAKI, maybe you check your November 2023 TNB bill then you will understand

This post has been edited by Jingle91: Jan 4 2024, 10:54 AM
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post Jan 4 2024, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(Jingle91 @ Jan 4 2024, 10:51 AM)
Your solar is under which NEM? If NEM 3.0 then definitely your understanding is totally wrong, the extra 200-300kwh is accumulated in your NEM BAKI ACCOUNT balance until 31 Dec of the year, if you don't consume it within the period, TNB will write off the extra balance in next year January bill.

Mine is TNB 3.0 like the other guy explained to you
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No lah. No nem Baki.
Nem Baki is when ur export more than import.


It under nem 3.0.
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post Jan 4 2024, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(Jingle91 @ Jan 4 2024, 10:51 AM)
Your solar is under which NEM? If NEM 3.0 then definitely your understanding is totally wrong, the extra 200-300kwh is accumulated in your NEM BAKI ACCOUNT balance until 31 Dec of the year, if you don't consume it within the period, TNB will write off the extra balance in next year January bill.

Mine is TNB 3.0 like the other guy explained to you

Checked your TNB bill, think your December 2023 Bill now appear with "NIL" amount of NEM BAKI, maybe you check your November 2023 TNB bill then you will understand
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Yes. Check dy.

My calculation is correct. The 200-300 of missing export isn’t going to nem Baki. The one went to nem Baki is when my export more than import like a few kWh

If you check out nem program , it is defined as below

Under this programme, any excess energy generated will be exported to the utility grid and will be credited based on the Average SMP. The priority is for self-consumption, however some premise which are not operating during the weekends or public holiday may have excess energy exported to the grid.

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post Jan 4 2024, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(bee88 @ Jan 4 2024, 10:42 AM)
U can try do this.

Check your inverter app for the total generation for December.

Let’s say 1200kwh

Then u compare with your export figure from Tnb bill for December.

It will be less than 1200kwh. For my case, it will be around 900-1000kwh

Where did the 200-300kwh go?

This means we have used the 200-300 units.

Analogy.
Ur farm produce 100 apples. U eat 30. So u can only sell 70.
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Yes we do used the generated kwh during day time but it's to offset TNB import in figures.

I am sure we can't used it directly because the TNB meter not that smart to balance the usage between import and export energy used by our home appliances fluctuation. . It can offset the number je.....


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post Jan 4 2024, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(Jingle91 @ Jan 4 2024, 10:51 AM)
Your solar is under which NEM? If NEM 3.0 then definitely your understanding is totally wrong, the extra 200-300kwh is accumulated in your NEM BAKI ACCOUNT balance until 31 Dec of the year, if you don't consume it within the period, TNB will write off the extra balance in next year January bill.

Mine is TNB 3.0 like the other guy explained to you

Checked your TNB bill, think your December 2023 Bill now appear with "NIL" amount of NEM BAKI, maybe you check your November 2023 TNB bill then you will understand
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You try this

December production from inverter app: ________
December export figure from Tnb bill : __________

Surely the difference will not be the same as ur nem Baki.
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post Jan 4 2024, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(etan26 @ Jan 4 2024, 10:58 AM)
Yes we do used the generated kwh during day time but it's to offset TNB import in figures.

I am sure we can't used it directly because the TNB meter not that smart to balance the usage between import and export energy used by our home appliances fluctuation. . It can offset the number je.....
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Actually, our db get supply from both ac supplies. Tnb direct and solar db.

So once Both ac meets in the home db, it will be used together. But because solar db is one way. And Tnb is two way. So solar db electricity that lebih will flow out through Tnb meter and get recorded. And ur system won’t draw specifically from Tnb. It will just use whatever energy supply from the solar db and the Tnb. So when ur solar db electricity flood the system, the Tnb meter won’t send in anymore. Coz got extra flow out.
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post Jan 4 2024, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jan 4 2024, 10:48 AM)
Can't I just connect solar panels to the ev charger without informing tnb/sesco? By my calculation to charge an ev I need 32 solar panels?
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Power coming out from solar panels are DC.
Your EV charger is drawing power from AC.

1) you need something to convert DC to AC.
2) you also need extra energy source to stabilize the AC output in case the solar panel was block by cloud for a short time.

If you dont plan to use TNB's plan, a hybrid inverter with 48v 50ah lithium battery should be enough if you only do charging at morning.
btw, how big is your EV charger?
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post Jan 4 2024, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(yushin @ Jan 4 2024, 11:10 AM)
Power coming out from solar panels are DC.
Your EV charger is drawing power from AC.

1) you need something to convert DC to AC.
2) you also need extra energy source to stabilize the AC output in case the solar panel was block by cloud for a short time.

If you dont plan to use TNB's plan, a hybrid inverter with 48v 50ah lithium battery should be enough if you only do charging at morning.
btw, how big is your EV charger?
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Correct. Need a constant supply. So battery is another alternative. But since got nem, just use nem first. Battery can come later stage.
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post Jan 4 2024, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(etan26 @ Jan 4 2024, 10:43 AM)
If our inverted can do it, why can't during blackout period? Simply because our inverter cannot cater for direct usage.

Show me where its said this "Yes, u need to have Tnb supply to start generation. But that only to start. Once ur system produce enough, u don’t draw from Tnb anymore. "

I connect them to my 2nd floor DB ... So my ground floor not using solar energy? They do travel backward to the meter?
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U see. You connect to 2 floor db. So the energy source come from 2nd floor. It’s not even direct to Tnb.

So ur 2nd floor will use the energy first. Then extra go back to main db. And then get istributed to the appliance. Then extra flow back to Tnb.

But doesn’t mean ur ground floor will use Tnb energy first. You still use solar for self consumption first before any extra is send out.

When cloudy day, not enough producing , that’s when Tnb kicks in. That’s the way how on grid inverter works.
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post Jan 4 2024, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(yushin @ Jan 4 2024, 11:10 AM)
Power coming out from solar panels are DC.
Your EV charger is drawing power from AC.

1) you need something to convert DC to AC.
2) you also need extra energy source to stabilize the AC output in case the solar panel was block by cloud for a short time.

If you dont plan to use TNB's plan, a hybrid inverter with 48v 50ah lithium battery should be enough if you only do charging at morning.
btw, how big is your EV charger?
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I don't have an ev yet but the only factor in me getting it is to charge it solely on solar. It defeats the purpose of having a clean car if I'm using it via the grid so I want to get th facts right with solar panels
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post Jan 4 2024, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(yushin @ Jan 4 2024, 11:10 AM)
Power coming out from solar panels are DC.
Your EV charger is drawing power from AC.

1) you need something to convert DC to AC.
2) you also need extra energy source to stabilize the AC output in case the solar panel was block by cloud for a short time.

If you dont plan to use TNB's plan, a hybrid inverter with 48v 50ah lithium battery should be enough if you only do charging at morning.
btw, how big is your EV charger?
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most ev wallbox chargers are dc.
only those hybrid use AC plug like merc 350e and some bmw's 3 series hybrid.


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post Jan 4 2024, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(yushin @ Jan 4 2024, 11:10 AM)
Power coming out from solar panels are DC.
Your EV charger is drawing power from AC.

1) you need something to convert DC to AC.
2) you also need extra energy source to stabilize the AC output in case the solar panel was block by cloud for a short time.

If you dont plan to use TNB's plan, a hybrid inverter with 48v 50ah lithium battery should be enough if you only do charging at morning.
btw, how big is your EV charger?
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QUOTE(bee88 @ Jan 4 2024, 11:12 AM)
Correct. Need a constant supply. So battery is another alternative. But since got nem, just use nem first. Battery can come later stage.
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So to really ensure my ev is powered by solar and off grid my set up is this?

Solar panels (DC) > battery > wall mounted charger (ac) > ev?

If I don't wanna spend on a battery

Solar panels (DC) > converter > wall mounted charger (ac) > ev?

Second set up only allows me to charge during day time only right?
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post Jan 4 2024, 11:26 AM

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One more test you can try do.

7am import figure : ______
7am export figure:_______

7pm import figure : _______
7pm export figure::_______

Total of the production of the day :________

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post Jan 4 2024, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jan 4 2024, 11:20 AM)
I don't have an ev yet but the only factor in me getting it is to charge it solely on solar. It defeats the purpose of having a clean car if I'm using it via the grid so I want to get th facts right with solar panels
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Then you get solar first. Then ev. Not ev then solar.



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