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eagle7
post Jan 5 2024, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jan 4 2024, 11:23 AM)
So to really ensure my ev is powered by solar and off grid my set up is this?

Solar panels (DC) > battery > wall mounted charger (ac) > ev?

If I don't wanna spend on a battery

Solar panels (DC) > converter > wall mounted charger (ac) > ev?

Second set up only allows me to charge during day time only right?
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Do a Google search on Smart EV charger and you will find an EV charger where it will monitor your grid export and charge your car accordingly.
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post Jan 6 2024, 02:59 PM

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below is what the ST Standard for EV charger. It need go out after the main RCCB

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Below the ST standard for Solar, you could see solar arrived at the DB and supply into the house before involved the TNB meter (import / export).
For safety reasn when house current is cut, solar need to cut as well. else may risk on peoples who do the work


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Here another explaination from TNB

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Hope this help.
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post Jan 6 2024, 03:47 PM

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A good YouTube for ease of understanding

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VlxzDXtKuM

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post Jan 6 2024, 08:29 PM

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Hi sifus. I was proposed bifacial solar panel for a tiled rooftop installation. However, based on my understanding, to maximize bifacial gains, you would need to install the panels on an elevated racking system to allow the back panels to capture light. Would I be better off installing non bifacial panels?
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post Jan 7 2024, 01:04 PM

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QUOTE(Bigboyz @ Jan 6 2024, 08:29 PM)
Hi sifus. I was proposed bifacial solar panel for a tiled rooftop installation. However, based on my understanding, to maximize bifacial gains, you would need to install the panels on an elevated racking system to allow the back panels to capture light. Would I be better off installing non bifacial panels?
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If not mistaken, this is the current panels that they are trying to push. What is more important is your setup and the kwp.
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post Jan 7 2024, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(etan26 @ Jan 3 2024, 11:13 AM)
No, during daytime we also get from the Grid, our solar energy is exported and we import the Grid energy. Hence they offset during daytime but not the night time when we have surplus from daytime generation.
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The 1500kwhr, if you get it from the grid you will be charged extra. They don't calculate nett Export -Import , they just calculate what you get from the grid.




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post Jan 7 2024, 01:43 PM

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QUOTE(bee88 @ Jan 4 2024, 10:39 AM)
The solar db is connected to our house db. It’s not connected to the Tnb grid directly. 

So it will be self consumption first, then extra will be sent out. This is confirmed.

Yes, u need to have Tnb supply to start generation. But that only to start. Once ur system produce enough, u don’t draw from Tnb anymore.

Also, one thing to consider. Ur system could be producing 1-2kw in the morning, before it peak, and at that time if u on aircond, maybe ur usage is more than 1-2kw, so the balance they draw from Tnb.

But when u peak at 10-12kw during afternoon, and ur appliances only run about 1-2kw, u will send the extra to them. 
So the net import figure from the bill is from this kind of usage.
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No , you have to consider whether your inverter is a 3 phase inverter or a single phase inverter.

Most installer want to sell cheap , and consumers do not know , so they only use single phase inverter. If it is single phase inverter, the inverter will only offset one of the phases. It does not offset all phases.
The other 2 phases will not be offset during the day time and continue to consume from the grid.

That's why when the1500kwhr ruling came out , some of the solar owners were charged because they were still using 1500kwhr from the grid.






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QUOTE(etan26 @ Jan 4 2024, 10:43 AM)
If our inverted can do it, why can't during blackout period? Simply because our inverter cannot cater for direct usage.

Show me where its said this "Yes, u need to have Tnb supply to start generation. But that only to start. Once ur system produce enough, u don’t draw from Tnb anymore. "

I connect them to my 2nd floor DB ... So my ground floor not using solar energy? They do travel backward to the meter?
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it's for safety , your inverter is connected directly to grid .

https://www.solar-electric.com/learning-cen...to%20the%20grid.
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jan 4 2024, 10:48 AM)
Can't I just connect solar panels to the ev charger without informing tnb/sesco? By my calculation to charge an ev I need 32 solar panels?
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Can , setup an offgrid system but it is kind of sily to do this.


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post Jan 7 2024, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(Drian @ Jan 7 2024, 01:43 PM)
No , you have to consider whether your inverter is a 3 phase inverter or a single phase inverter.

Most installer want to sell cheap , and consumers do not know , so they only use single phase inverter. If it is single phase inverter, the inverter will only offset one of the phases. It does not offset all phases.
The other 2 phases will not be offset during the day time and continue to consume from the grid.

That's why when the1500kwhr ruling came out , some of the solar owners were charged because they were still using 1500kwhr from the grid.
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Actuallu it’s possible to offset all 3 phase with single phase inverter.

Not sure if this is possible with string inverter. Micro is possible.
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post Jan 7 2024, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(Drian @ Jan 7 2024, 01:39 PM)
The 1500kwhr, if you get it from the grid you will be charged extra. They don't calculate nett Export -Import , they just calculate what you get from the grid.
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That's why we are appealing now, cause got surplus during daytime.
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QUOTE(eagle7 @ Jan 5 2024, 03:23 PM)
To the solar owner, in case you would like to monitor your solar generation, grid, and load in realtime (mobile app only), you can consider installing this bidirectional energy monitor (https://expo.tuya.com/product/1105297 , from Shopee or Lazada).  NOTE: This is for a single-phase house.

I will recommend an energy monitor with 2 CT, where the 1st CT (current transformer) monitors the TNB input (as Channel A), while the 2nd CT (as Channel B) can either monitor your load or solar wire (subject to the complexity of your wiring). For simplicity, monitor the solar AC input. Channel C is derived from Channel A and Channel B.

For example:-
Channel A: TNB input
Channel B: Solar input
Channel C: Channel A + Channel B = Load/Consumption

NOTE: The above works well if both TNB and solar input meet in the same DB box; otherwise, you will need 2 units of energy monitors, for example, one for the TNB on the ground floor and a second monitor unit on the 2nd or 3rd floor where your solar inverter is connected.

For smart home users using Home Assistant, this energy meter does not give valuable (limited) data for plotting graphical energy flow between grid, solar, and load.
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I use shelley, works as well.
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QUOTE(bee88 @ Jan 7 2024, 01:49 PM)
Actuallu it’s possible to offset all 3 phase with single phase inverter. 

Not sure if this is possible with string inverter. Micro is possible.
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a micro inverter does not offset all 3 phases at the same time.

but you can assign different microinverter to different phases , but a single microinverter DO NOT offset all 3 phases a the same time.

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QUOTE(Drian @ Jan 7 2024, 01:52 PM)
a micro inverter does not offset all 3 phases at the same time.

but you can assign different microinverter to different phases , but a single microinverter DO NOT offset all 3 phases a the same time.
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Yes. Correct. But usually nobody use one micro inverter only. One micro inverter max only 2kw. Usually smallest setup need two microinverter.


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post Jan 7 2024, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(Drian @ Jan 7 2024, 01:43 PM)
No , you have to consider whether your inverter is a 3 phase inverter or a single phase inverter.

Most installer want to sell cheap , and consumers do not know , so they only use single phase inverter. If it is single phase inverter, the inverter will only offset one of the phases. It does not offset all phases.
The other 2 phases will not be offset during the day time and continue to consume from the grid.

That's why when the1500kwhr ruling came out , some of the solar owners were charged because they were still using 1500kwhr from the grid.
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Then you go and whack your solar vendor/installer, they are the expert and not advising you properly.
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post Jan 7 2024, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(etan26 @ Jan 7 2024, 01:56 PM)
Then you go and whack your solar vendor/installer, they are the expert and not advising you properly.
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Usually they will use the correct inverter according to the phases. Later no saving kena diao from customer ler.
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QUOTE(etan26 @ Jan 7 2024, 01:56 PM)
Then you go and whack your solar vendor/installer, they are the expert and not advising you properly.
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Probably 95% of the solar system is using single phase inverter now . I had to deliberately ask for 3 phase inverter. They did not advise me.





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QUOTE(bee88 @ Jan 7 2024, 02:00 PM)
Usually they will use the correct inverter according to the phases. Later no saving kena diao from customer ler.
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Nope. Most inverter sold now is single phase inverter connected to only a single phase in a 3 phase system.
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QUOTE(Drian @ Jan 7 2024, 02:12 PM)
Nope.  Most inverter sold now is single phase inverter connected to only a single phase in a 3 phase system.
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Like that one ar? Then more reason to go micro inverter then. String inverter if get single phase but house 3 phase mmg jialat
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QUOTE(Drian @ Jan 7 2024, 02:12 PM)
Nope.  Most inverter sold now is single phase inverter connected to only a single phase in a 3 phase system.
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