Sep 30 2020, 06:55 PM
QUOTE(Mrsaitama @ Sep 30 2020, 01:02 AM)
Get x50 better la. Highway sure get at least 600km la. If u so worry about fuel just buy axia. Good no cheap, cheap no good. U cant have both.
Booked the X50 as well, waiting for the price to come out, but if flagship cross 100k mark then i dont see the point, not that i look down on proton, i had a lot of fun using my mother's persona, it changed my view for proton. Just that if a B segment car is 100k+, i might as well go for a 135k top spec civic. Granted that civic looks like stone age car compared to X50, but, it's a different segment altogether. Meanwhile im also keeping my options open to new and used car. QUOTE(constant_weight @ Sep 30 2020, 10:10 AM)
With this mentality, forever stick to Myvi/Axia/City/Vios/Almera, eventually only used car because new models are going high tech as well.
4 types of replacement parts usually.
- Genuine,
- 3rd Party "Genuine" (supplier not selected in this model AVL, but is supplier for other parts)
- Reconditioned or Dismantled from total loss or half-cut
- 3rd Party Replica
The reason older generations think Toyota is reliable is not because things don't break, but cheap to replace with recond/3rd party replica parts when they break.
Their definition of repair is "able to run", not "restore to pristine condition".
Try to replace every single components with genuine at 4S, tell me if they are cheap again.
Once I had to replace 3x master brake pump within 2 years in an old corolla, and almost crashed. Sum up the cost is more than buying a brand new genuine at the first place. Buy a genuine then it has no cost advantage vs other "so call non reliable and no resell value" brand. Since then, why risk it? Just get any car I like, enjoy it, don't bound by society "reliability" and "resell value" perception, and do a proper repair, minimize the hack to make things "just able to run".
Continentals and for this case Camry Hybrids included have less reconds/replicas option due to modern electronics (components -> PCBA -> firmware, not as easy as copy the plastic mold).
But for some that always go back to 4S even for 10 years old car, car lovers that keep it at tiptop pristine conditions, do preventive maintenance, don't wait for things to break. Hybrid or not, it makes no difference to the service cost.
Battery price is going down consistently. From early 2010 it went down 20% year over year. Now it still over 10% year over year. Also circular economy is getting good traction, you don't throw away old batteries, they get second life in renewable energy power plant as buffer where power density is less of a concern.
You like it or not, this in inevitable. Car makers are trying to extract most values from the automotive industries, in the future more and more people would be going back to 4S. Bawah pokok mechanic is sunset business, the future 3rd party workshop would be run by proper proper engineers and the technicians have taken certification exam of a (if not multiple) car brands.
The world need progress, and is making progress. Bro, don't limit yourself, embrace the future.
I generally felt that Malaysian quite skeptical about new tech or in fact, old tech but new in Malaysia. But again, considering all factors, I think used camry hybrid is no go for me since my main concern is just saving on long distance drive on highway. I hope that Malaysia market can embrace new tech better. But cheap petrol + lack of government incentives + lack of infrastructure means that we are 3rd world in terms of vehicle technology. 4 types of replacement parts usually.
- Genuine,
- 3rd Party "Genuine" (supplier not selected in this model AVL, but is supplier for other parts)
- Reconditioned or Dismantled from total loss or half-cut
- 3rd Party Replica
The reason older generations think Toyota is reliable is not because things don't break, but cheap to replace with recond/3rd party replica parts when they break.
Their definition of repair is "able to run", not "restore to pristine condition".
Try to replace every single components with genuine at 4S, tell me if they are cheap again.
Once I had to replace 3x master brake pump within 2 years in an old corolla, and almost crashed. Sum up the cost is more than buying a brand new genuine at the first place. Buy a genuine then it has no cost advantage vs other "so call non reliable and no resell value" brand. Since then, why risk it? Just get any car I like, enjoy it, don't bound by society "reliability" and "resell value" perception, and do a proper repair, minimize the hack to make things "just able to run".
Continentals and for this case Camry Hybrids included have less reconds/replicas option due to modern electronics (components -> PCBA -> firmware, not as easy as copy the plastic mold).
But for some that always go back to 4S even for 10 years old car, car lovers that keep it at tiptop pristine conditions, do preventive maintenance, don't wait for things to break. Hybrid or not, it makes no difference to the service cost.
Battery price is going down consistently. From early 2010 it went down 20% year over year. Now it still over 10% year over year. Also circular economy is getting good traction, you don't throw away old batteries, they get second life in renewable energy power plant as buffer where power density is less of a concern.
You like it or not, this in inevitable. Car makers are trying to extract most values from the automotive industries, in the future more and more people would be going back to 4S. Bawah pokok mechanic is sunset business, the future 3rd party workshop would be run by proper proper engineers and the technicians have taken certification exam of a (if not multiple) car brands.
The world need progress, and is making progress. Bro, don't limit yourself, embrace the future.
QUOTE(SleeplessEyes @ Sep 30 2020, 01:14 PM)
I like your statement.
Its our Malaysian mentality.
Everything want covered 100% warranty. Both labour and parts.
No warranty or warranty over, then don't want fork out money repair or maintenance. Sell car.
Then complain "aiya resale value"..
Thats why you see many say - Buy new car, have 100 years warranty , car spoil also never mind. Anything fault, bring back to SC, etc. Never change oil , blame back manufacturer.
Warranty doesn't come free from car manufacturers, dear Malaysians. Your car works fine, SC essentially makes profit from you, both high cost of parts and labour. Period. Wanna claim warranty? Good luck arguing with SCs.
By right, electric cars should be a joy for many Malaysians, which dont like maintenance phobia. No need for oil change whatsoever. However I dont see it taking traction. Yes, I agree that our charging stations is not that many , so yeah Malaysians still prefer to use ICE and do the regular ICE maintenance.
Now waiting for Nissan Kicks to come to Malaysia. That will be awesome.
Conclusion: No need to argue with those wanna drive Myvis but wanna demotivate others to avoid futuristic cars.
I'm assuming that all $ spend on car is down the drain la, not too worried about the resale value thingy, good to have higher resale value, but resale value should not rob me off the fun of driving and owning a car. If money is really a problem, then I should look at a more affordable car, or other transport options. No point buying above the means and worry about resales. Its our Malaysian mentality.
Everything want covered 100% warranty. Both labour and parts.
No warranty or warranty over, then don't want fork out money repair or maintenance. Sell car.
Then complain "aiya resale value"..
Thats why you see many say - Buy new car, have 100 years warranty , car spoil also never mind. Anything fault, bring back to SC, etc. Never change oil , blame back manufacturer.
Warranty doesn't come free from car manufacturers, dear Malaysians. Your car works fine, SC essentially makes profit from you, both high cost of parts and labour. Period. Wanna claim warranty? Good luck arguing with SCs.
By right, electric cars should be a joy for many Malaysians, which dont like maintenance phobia. No need for oil change whatsoever. However I dont see it taking traction. Yes, I agree that our charging stations is not that many , so yeah Malaysians still prefer to use ICE and do the regular ICE maintenance.
Now waiting for Nissan Kicks to come to Malaysia. That will be awesome.
Conclusion: No need to argue with those wanna drive Myvis but wanna demotivate others to avoid futuristic cars.
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