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mini orchard
post Jul 27 2020, 08:36 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jul 27 2020, 08:22 AM)
In criminal trial, bank may need to send staffs to court as witness.

'confirmed received' without actual transaction is a FRAUD.
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Bank staffs accomplice in marked up ?

When did lawyers ever asked for proof of deposit payment other than the booking letter ?
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post Jul 27 2020, 08:54 AM

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TBH it is very easy to understand,

If buyer and developer, then it's legal coz buyer have no chance to "pakat" with developer; the same, if buyer buying with owner or subsale, it is confirm illegal as they can "pakat" with them to have a discount or fast cash.
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post Jul 27 2020, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(khoocheekit @ Jul 27 2020, 08:54 AM)
TBH it is very easy to understand,

If buyer and developer, then it's legal coz buyer have no chance to "pakat" with developer; the same, if buyer buying with owner or subsale, it is confirm illegal as they can "pakat" with them to have a discount or fast cash.
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Cashback from developer 'legal'?
Free MOT 'legal' ?
Free lawyer fee 'legal' ?

Then why marked up in subsale cannot be cashback, free mot and legal fees ?
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post Jul 27 2020, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Jul 27 2020, 08:36 AM)
Bank staffs accomplice in marked up ?

When did lawyers ever asked for proof of deposit payment other than the booking letter ?
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Suggest you to ask your lawyer 'confirmed received' without actual transaction is a fraud or not.

This post has been edited by icemanfx: Jul 27 2020, 09:17 AM
mini orchard
post Jul 27 2020, 09:18 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jul 27 2020, 09:16 AM)
Suggest you to ask your lawyer 'confirmed received' without actual transaction is a fraud or not.
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My lawyer say no wor ! That is not his business. He see documents only.

Signed means confirmed received !

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post Jul 27 2020, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Jul 27 2020, 09:18 AM)
My lawyer say no wor ! That is not his business. He see documents only.

Signed means confirmed received !
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mini orchard
post Jul 27 2020, 09:30 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jul 27 2020, 09:16 AM)
Suggest you to ask your lawyer 'confirmed received' without actual transaction is a fraud or not.
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Need live video recording of cash changing hand ? Can be done also .

Infront of lawyers ? Can be done also !
mini orchard
post Jul 27 2020, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jul 24 2020, 08:20 AM)
As long as loan is repaid on time is fine.
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Have a firmed stand in your discussion !
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post Jul 27 2020, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Jul 27 2020, 09:15 AM)
Cashback from developer 'legal'?
Free MOT 'legal' ?
Free lawyer fee 'legal' ?

Then why marked up in subsale cannot be cashback, free mot and legal fees ?
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Why not? as long as bank admit it.

Actually there is a grey area for buyer to buy a house with affordable situation, bank can earn more interest from the loan and also developer can sell their unit more easy, it's actually a triple win situation. As long as not misuse by some party to earn cash flow or any other "bad" things.

If you are rich enough, of coz u can pay reject for the cash back, pay the MOT and lawyer fees, you even can pay the downpayment tho.

No offence. smile.gif
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post Jul 27 2020, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Jul 27 2020, 09:30 AM)
Need live video recording of cash changing hand ? Can be done also .

Infront of lawyers ? Can be done also !
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Bank in slip should be sufficient. those wanted to mark up loan are unlikely to have cash.

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post Jul 27 2020, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jul 27 2020, 10:26 AM)
Bank in slip should be sufficient. those wanted to mark up loan are unlikely to have cash.
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Seller bank in own money and pass slip to buyer and show lawyer ? Can aah ?

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post Jul 27 2020, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Jul 27 2020, 10:28 AM)
Seller bank in own money and pass slip to buyer and show lawyer ? Can aah ?
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In leasing, proof of deposit paid (i.e bank in slip) is required before loan disbursement.

it is a matter of time, housing loan will follow their leasing colleagues sop.

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post Jul 27 2020, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jul 27 2020, 10:46 AM)
In leasing, proof of deposit paid (i.e bank in slip) is required before loan disbursement.

it is a matter of time, housing loan will follow their leasing colleagues sop.
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We talk marked up. Not leasing lah. Ada lain meh ? Seller still can bank in.

Why talk future ?

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post Jul 27 2020, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Jul 27 2020, 10:51 AM)
We talk marked up. Not leasing lah. Ada lain meh ? Seller still can bank in.

Why talk future ?
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Borrowers need to marked up are mostly subprime, a reason why npl on housing loan is rising.
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post Jul 27 2020, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jul 27 2020, 11:23 AM)
Borrowers need to marked up are mostly subprime, a reason why npl on housing loan is rising.
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Dont speculate. That is not the point for discussion.

Repeat .. default by borrower is lain cerita

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post Jul 27 2020, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Jul 27 2020, 11:25 AM)
Dont speculate. That is not the point for discussion.

Repeat .. default by borrower is lain cerita
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Marked up loan is fraudulent.

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post Jul 27 2020, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jul 27 2020, 11:32 AM)
Marked up loan is fraudulent.
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Is not marked up loan !

Is marked up snp price !


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post Jul 27 2020, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jul 24 2020, 08:20 AM)
As long as loan is repaid on time is fine.
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post Jul 31 2020, 03:09 PM

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When talk abt mark up, so long bank valuation can meet the value. Why not.
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So markup spa price is legal or illegal,?

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