I'm wondering what matters the most for you hardcore gamers out there.
How're you even surviving with some of the crappy connectivity we hit when playing some serious games!?!?
Gamer's network most important thing is...
Gamer's network most important thing is...
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Jul 10 2020, 12:18 AM, updated 6y ago
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I'm wondering what matters the most for you hardcore gamers out there.
How're you even surviving with some of the crappy connectivity we hit when playing some serious games!?!? |
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Jul 12 2020, 04:57 PM
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The most important is: Bufferbloat. ISP that have Anti Bufferbloat is TIME and Viewqwest Malaysia. Unifi to Telekom Malaysia speed test server: ~7ms Viewqwest to Telekom Malaysia speed test server: ~5ms Having no 0ms Bufferbloat is heaven, you can run Download or Upload all the time but latency not effected! rivacordex and Alpha_Tay liked this post
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Jul 12 2020, 08:18 PM
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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Jul 12 2020, 04:57 PM) The most important is: Bufferbloat. you got trace route result from viewqwest malaysia? is it viewqwest own fibre area or viewqwest TM HSBB area? as i know maxis fibre TM HSBB area has almost double ping to sgp-1.valve.net compare to unifi fibre.ISP that have Anti Bufferbloat is TIME and Viewqwest Malaysia. Unifi to Telekom Malaysia speed test server: ~7ms Viewqwest to Telekom Malaysia speed test server: ~5ms Having no 0ms Bufferbloat is heaven, you can run Download or Upload all the time but latency not effected! |
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Jul 12 2020, 08:28 PM
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strange that unifi fibre lowest ping to any web services is around 6ms, while other FTTH has around 1ms lowest ping? but unifi fibre end user still can get 1ms to other unifi fibre end user connected to the same BRAS.
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Jul 12 2020, 09:28 PM
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QUOTE(Alpha_Tay @ Jul 12 2020, 08:18 PM) you got trace route result from viewqwest malaysia? is it viewqwest own fibre area or viewqwest TM HSBB area? as i know maxis fibre TM HSBB area has almost double ping to sgp-1.valve.net compare to unifi fibre. I went to Customer House for some IT services at Setia Eco Glades (2.937678, 101.633800)I didn't run Trace Route, I run many Speed Test, Viewqwest is the lowest ping I ever encountered for Home, IP: 103.232.29.4 8ms to StarHub Mobile Pte Ltd (SG) 9ms to Viewqwest Pte Ltd (SG) 5ms to Telekom Malaysia Berhad (MY) 4ms to IP Core Sdn Bhd (MY) 9ms to Maxis (MY) and get A+ for Bufferbloat at http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest Viewqwest Network very clean, what they claim is true! |
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Jul 13 2020, 02:33 AM
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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Jul 12 2020, 09:28 PM) I went to Customer House for some IT services at Setia Eco Glades (2.937678, 101.633800) Setia Eco Glades was the first area of ViewQwest Malaysia Fibre Residential, not using TM HSBB.I didn't run Trace Route, I run many Speed Test, Viewqwest is the lowest ping I ever encountered for Home, IP: 103.232.29.4 8ms to StarHub Mobile Pte Ltd (SG) 9ms to Viewqwest Pte Ltd (SG) 5ms to Telekom Malaysia Berhad (MY) 4ms to IP Core Sdn Bhd (MY) 9ms to Maxis (MY) and get A+ for Bufferbloat at http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest Viewqwest Network very clean, what they claim is true! https://www.lowyat.net/2017/147651/viewqwes...idential-plans/ trace route from unifi fibre to 103.232.29.4 go through viewqwest.myix.my with 7.2ms lowest ping. clean could also mean small network. |
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Jul 13 2020, 05:27 PM
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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Jul 12 2020, 09:28 PM) I went to Customer House for some IT services at Setia Eco Glades (2.937678, 101.633800) Sabah and Sarawak users get 30~50ms on unifi. So how did you compare?I didn't run Trace Route, I run many Speed Test, Viewqwest is the lowest ping I ever encountered for Home, IP: 103.232.29.4 8ms to StarHub Mobile Pte Ltd (SG) 9ms to Viewqwest Pte Ltd (SG) 5ms to Telekom Malaysia Berhad (MY) 4ms to IP Core Sdn Bhd (MY) 9ms to Maxis (MY) and get A+ for Bufferbloat at http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest Viewqwest Network very clean, what they claim is true! |
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Jul 14 2020, 08:41 AM
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Jul 15 2020, 12:23 AM
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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Jul 12 2020, 04:57 PM) The most important is: Bufferbloat. First time I've heard about bufferbloat. ISP that have Anti Bufferbloat is TIME and Viewqwest Malaysia. Unifi to Telekom Malaysia speed test server: ~7ms Viewqwest to Telekom Malaysia speed test server: ~5ms Having no 0ms Bufferbloat is heaven, you can run Download or Upload all the time but latency not effected! Did a quick read up about that - and trying to understand what it is vs what you're saying. Just reading off https://www.bufferbloat.ne seems to indicate this is device issue? And when you mention that TIME and Viewqwest is anti bufferbloat - can i assume you're referring to the device still or some other setup within their network? |
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QUOTE(rivacordex @ Jul 15 2020, 12:23 AM) And when you mention that TIME and Viewqwest is anti bufferbloat - can i assume you're referring to the device still or some other setup within their network? TIME and Viewquest dont have speed cap at ONT side (Hardware defined), the speed cap happen at PPPoE or Account (Software defined).This is how TM making Maxis Fiber looks bad, cap on ONT cause Router received more buffer, more latency. |
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QUOTE(prokiller1199 @ Jul 16 2020, 03:30 PM) That looks really impressive! I've quite a bit worse than yours: http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/64859238Bufferbloat is a massive big D This post has been edited by rivacordex: Jul 16 2020, 05:46 PM prokiller1199 liked this post
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Jul 18 2020, 03:56 PM
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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Jul 15 2020, 01:31 PM) TIME and Viewquest dont have speed cap at ONT side (Hardware defined), the speed cap happen at PPPoE or Account (Software defined). TNB Allo and Celcom Timur Sabah networks also doesn't practice bufferfloat. Accounts are capped acordingly leaving full speed on each subscriber's ONT.This is how TM making Maxis Fiber looks bad, cap on ONT cause Router received more buffer, more latency. You'll know this when running speedtests, the result is always slighly higher than your subscribed plan due to some leakages. I don't see the need to double cap users on both ends accounts and ONT profiles. Really stupid TM decision, they only making their network more inefficient and slower. |
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QUOTE(Candy12 @ Jul 18 2020, 03:56 PM) TNB Allo and Celcom Timur Sabah networks also doesn't practice bufferfloat. Accounts are capped acordingly leaving full speed on each subscriber's ONT. Yes, Account cap is better! make network much cleaner!QUOTE(Candy12 @ Jul 18 2020, 03:56 PM) TM always back, fake speed test results, horrible Bufferbloat |
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Jul 19 2020, 11:35 AM
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Consistent performance and no ping spike.
Good routing is a huge plus. I notice TIME have a better routing to SG Steam server than TM. |
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Jul 23 2020, 12:03 AM
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QUOTE(rivacordex @ Jul 16 2020, 05:45 PM) That looks really impressive! I've quite a bit worse than yours: http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/64859238 So silly - i figured out recently, probably due to the heavy thunderstorms late - my ONT unit was turned off for some reason, and the wifi router's connection fallback to the USB 4G dongle unit Bufferbloat is a massive big D Latest test - looks good! Check it out: http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/64951007 |
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Jul 23 2020, 12:06 AM
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QUOTE(blacktubi @ Jul 19 2020, 11:35 AM) Consistent performance and no ping spike. How do you see whether TIME or TM has better routing etc.?Good routing is a huge plus. I notice TIME have a better routing to SG Steam server than TM. My PSN connection quite unstable - but that maybe my poor wifi coverage towards the wifi router |
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Jul 23 2020, 07:07 PM
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its no point for low latency, if you get regular packet loss / lag spikes. i often get 15ms to singapore server, ping low, but spike happen that cause a mini freeze and enemies just warp around. ping latency may not show or it shows a jump to say 50ms for example. eventho 50ms is low but the jumping of up and down is worse. rather you stay 80ms consistent than low ping and jump up, not reliable.
stable connectivity is most important. low latency comes second. |
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QUOTE(rivacordex @ Jul 23 2020, 12:06 AM) How do you see whether TIME or TM has better routing etc.? Totally no issue with Unifi in Sabah here, I'm playing Monster Hunter World Iceborne in PS4 and never get disconnecting. Line is very stable because I'm using LAN connection. I link one Cat6 cable from upstairs to living because my main router is placed at upstairs with a 16-port gigabit switch. Then my second router is an aimesh node then link one LAN cable to another second 16-port gigabit switch. So the switch get connected my tvbox, ps4, smart tv, living room desktop pc. Line very fast and stable, even tvbox can get 510mbps full speed on speedtest. Just the ping a bit high in Sabah here, 30~40ms. That's why, line stability is very important. Far more important than ping latency. That's why I vote for line stability. My PSN connection quite unstable - but that maybe my poor wifi coverage towards the wifi router Low ping then how? I don't play PUBG, Battlefield and Dota2 sorry, I don't like to play that kind of games. I only play MHW Iceborne because I only like PVE not PVP. Game is playing for fun but not for mad when we get killed by other players especially by bot. Low latency is really useless for me, I really can't feel what is the different between 10ms and 100ms. I admit that results in Sabah here is worse than West Malaysia. http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/64969738 This post has been edited by junclj: Jul 24 2020, 10:35 AM |
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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Jul 15 2020, 01:31 PM) TIME and Viewquest dont have speed cap at ONT side (Hardware defined), the speed cap happen at PPPoE or Account (Software defined). I don't think Unifi is capped speed base on ONT, my Unifi upgrade from 30mbps -> 50mbps -> 500mbps. Last time during 30mbps, TM capped my speed to 27mbps only. After they offer 50mbps free upgrade, my speed can get 52mbps but they never come to my home to replace new ONT. Later that, TM free upgrade my Unifi to 500mbps again, I just need to restart my ONT to get 500mbps. No technicians come to replace my ONT, still remain the same old ONT.This is how TM making Maxis Fiber looks bad, cap on ONT cause Router received more buffer, more latency. |
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QUOTE(junclj @ Jul 24 2020, 10:54 AM) I don't think Unifi is capped speed base on ONT, my Unifi upgrade from 30mbps -> 50mbps -> 500mbps. Last time during 30mbps, TM capped my speed to 27mbps only. After they offer 50mbps free upgrade, my speed can get 52mbps but they never come to my home to replace new ONT. Later that, TM free upgrade my Unifi to 500mbps again, I just need to restart my ONT to get 500mbps. No technicians come to replace my ONT, still remain the same old ONT. ONT can be configured and provision by OLT to enforce speed limit, for Unifi User on Unifi Network seen has no speed limit, the speed limit was on Account, that's is why you get extra speed, software defined is not hard as Hardware Level.because of this, TM can exactly speed cap on other competitors riding on Unifi Network. ONT speed limit is like physical link speed, so can't get real speed since TCP/IP Overhead! Way Unifi Provisioning Maxis for example, they cap exactly 300mbps (Internet + VoIP + Management), this very reason when having heavy traffic, VoIP calls can't get through. during MCO, my VoIP have issue, Maxis login into my Router and they can't get in, so I need stop internet for a while. I trying to hack Unifi ONT via TTL to RS232, it can be done, just need time to find out. Candy12 liked this post
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Jul 24 2020, 01:20 PM
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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Jul 24 2020, 01:05 PM) ONT can be configured and provision by OLT to enforce speed limit, for Unifi User on Unifi Network seen has no speed limit, the speed limit was on Account, that's is why you get extra speed, software defined is not hard as Hardware Level. True, Maxis and the other ISPs riding on TM Wholesale HSBB should bring this up and sue TM Wholesale for this double level capping(bufferfloat) making competitors look bad.because of this, TM can exactly speed cap on other competitors riding on Unifi Network. ONT speed limit is like physical link speed, so can't get real speed since TCP/IP Overhead! Way Unifi Provisioning Maxis for example, they cap exactly 300mbps (Internet + VoIP + Management), this very reason when having heavy traffic, VoIP calls can't get through. during MCO, my VoIP have issue, Maxis login into my Router and they can't get in, so I need stop internet for a while. I trying to hack Unifi ONT via TTL to RS232, it can be done, just need time to find out. On the account side already capped accordingly, why must cap the ONT as well and make it exactly the same speed as the soft side? (Example cap the ONT exactly at 30M, 50M, 100M, 300M,500M..etc). That way the customer will always made to absorb the extra TCP/IP overhead getting less. (Example subscribe 30M only get 28M max, 100M get only 95M, etc.) They do this on their competitors but they don't do it on their own ISP? That is DOUBLE standard! It's time Maxis, DiGi and even Celcom who ride on the HSBB network to sue TM for this anti-competition dirty move. |
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QUOTE(Candy12 @ Jul 24 2020, 01:20 PM) True, Maxis and the other ISPs riding on TM Wholesale HSBB should bring this up and sue TM Wholesale for this double level capping(bufferfloat) making competitors look bad. I do wonder - from an end user's perspective, does it matter so much that for e.g. this overhead may be reducing the "full" speed of the network?On the account side already capped accordingly, why must cap the ONT as well and make it exactly the same speed as the soft side? (Example cap the ONT exactly at 30M, 50M, 100M, 300M,500M..etc). That way the customer will always made to absorb the extra TCP/IP overhead getting less. (Example subscribe 30M only get 28M max, 100M get only 95M, etc.) They do this on their competitors but they don't do it on their own ISP? That is DOUBLE standard! It's time Maxis, DiGi and even Celcom who ride on the HSBB network to sue TM for this anti-competition dirty move. I'm just questioning, because, generally, under most scenarios, whether downloading, or streaming stuffs - we generally can't utilize the full speed anyways, and often times, are hampered by the server side who most often times cannot deliver such performances also? This post has been edited by rivacordex: Jul 28 2020, 12:23 PM |
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I'm curious to know if anyone knows about "Gamers Private Network" - e.g. wtfast and if anyone is using the service.
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Jul 28 2020, 01:52 PM
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unifi home install at end of 2017 for unifi Bonanza RM139 30Mbps, FiberHome ONU, tested with other account confirmed that ONU was Capped at 100Mbps, SpeedTest 96Mbps. Receive 10x free speed upgrade at October 2018, Speedtest around 310Mbps, SpeedTest with other account would get abit more. recently, SpeedTest with both accounts would get same SpeedTest result, not abit more anymore. there is single port out of 1-65535 port open at the FiberHome ONU, but not sure when, all ports was closed out of 1-65535 port. unifi installer Didn't provide unifi fibre port password, unifi username, unifi password, unifi phone number, unifi phone number password.
unifi biz install at September 2019, right before 2019 free 3 Months 2 Years Contracts Year End Promo, did subscribe and received YEP after install, Huawei HG8240H5 Universal ONU, Modem Webpages can login with Default Admin and User Password, unifi installer even write down unifi fibre port password, unifi username, unifi password, unifi phone number, unifi phone number password at the fibre modem box. Huawei HG8240H5 Universal ONU is uncapped or maxcapped, confirmed by testing with other account. remember that alot of, huge percentage of, but not every streamyx 1Mbps account is capped 1.5Mbps at account level? QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Jul 24 2020, 01:05 PM) ONT can be configured and provision by OLT to enforce speed limit, for Unifi User on Unifi Network seen has no speed limit, the speed limit was on Account, that's is why you get extra speed, software defined is not hard as Hardware Level. because of this, TM can exactly speed cap on other competitors riding on Unifi Network. ONT speed limit is like physical link speed, so can't get real speed since TCP/IP Overhead! Way Unifi Provisioning Maxis for example, they cap exactly 300mbps (Internet + VoIP + Management), this very reason when having heavy traffic, VoIP calls can't get through. during MCO, my VoIP have issue, Maxis login into my Router and they can't get in, so I need stop internet for a while. I trying to hack Unifi ONT via TTL to RS232, it can be done, just need time to find out. QUOTE(Alpha_Tay @ Oct 29 2019, 05:04 AM) unifi installation around 2 years ago, the installer cut the fibre and connect the fibre connector by hand, without install Fibre Wall Socket, there's no Soft Yellow Fibre Cable, Black Fibre Cable Straight into FIBERHOME ONU, it's still working today, without any issue. unifi installation last month, at the same taman, before connect the Fibre Cable to the Distribution Point On TM Pole, unifi installer Fusion splicing the Fibre Cable with a Factory Packaged few Meter Fibre Cable with Fibre Connector Pre-installed, after pulling the Fibre Cable to the Destination, unifi installer Fusion splicing again the Fibre Cable with a Factory Packaged few Meter Fibre Cable with Fibre Connector Pre-installed, both cable are Black, have Steel wire Support, without install Fibre Wall Socket, there's no Soft Yellow Fibre Cable, Black Fibre Cable Straight into Huawei HG8240H5 claim to be Universal ONU Fibre modem, while the whole city unifi and other HSBB Provider was using FIBERHOME ONU. same taman few months ago new unifi installation still receive FIBERHOME ONU, just the new unifi branding at the plastic cover instead of older TM branding. this taman still has plenty of port left during 1st installation of unifi Distribution Point, not yet receive 2nd installation of unifi Distribution Point, while some other area of this city has receive it recently some months ago. unifi installer write down unifi fibre port password, unifi username, unifi password, unifi phone number, unifi phone number password at the fibre modem box. Huawei HG8240H5 can login with Default Username Password, Web GUI still Enabled. at the same city, just saw a maxis fibre 30Mbps customer at Shop Lot Biz Area with Huawei HG8240H ONU Fibre modem that has TM Logo. he claim install it around Years ago. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/ma...odem-1072796903 there is at least 2 case i have seen with my own eye, that unifi installation at different Shop Lot Biz Area, Black fibre cable was coming from front Entrance through wall, but before the fibre cable through the wall, there's 2 fibre cable Connector to connect both fibre cable, i would provide the photo later if i found it. Photo Uploaded [attachmentid=10343807] |
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Jul 28 2020, 02:05 PM
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QUOTE(rivacordex @ Jul 28 2020, 12:21 PM) I do wonder - from an end user's perspective, does it matter so much that for e.g. this overhead may be reducing the "full" speed of the network? Depends on the speed plan you're purchasing. Of course for 1Gbps plan, even many 3rd party local servers won't be able to reach anything near but it depends on the user needs and requirements. I'm just questioning, because, generally, under most scenarios, whether downloading, or streaming stuffs - we generally can't utilize the full speed anyways, and often times, are hampered by the server side who most often times cannot deliver such performances also? The overheads might not be significant, 1Mbps-5Mbps in accounted for but why isn't the ISP/wholesale provider TM being the generous one to absorb it instead using a false adverts which in the end the customer has to give in to the reality that TCP overheads that is preventing them from getting the full advertised speed they were lied to. It's all about ethics and honesty. My 30Mbps certainly has no issues getting full speed around the world since it's just peanuts to what fibre is capable of in excess of gigabits, for those with packages above 100Mbps that one we can't guarantee lah. |
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Jul 28 2020, 02:15 PM
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QUOTE(Alpha_Tay @ Jul 28 2020, 01:52 PM) unifi home install at end of 2017 for unifi Bonanza RM139 30Mbps, FiberHome ONU, tested with other account confirmed that ONU was Capped at 100Mbps, SpeedTest 96Mbps. Receive 10x free speed upgrade at October 2018, Speedtest around 310Mbps, SpeedTest with other account would get abit more. recently, SpeedTest with both accounts would get same SpeedTest result, not abit more anymore. there is single port out of 1-65535 port open at the FiberHome ONU, but not sure when, all ports was closed out of 1-65535 port. unifi installer Didn't provide unifi fibre port password, unifi username, unifi password, unifi phone number, unifi phone number password. About the bolded part, "same result not a bit more anymore". unifi biz install at September 2019, right before 2019 free 3 Months 2 Years Contracts Year End Promo, did subscribe and received YEP after install, Huawei HG8240H5 Universal ONU, Modem Webpages can login with Default Admin and User Password, unifi installer even write down unifi fibre port password, unifi username, unifi password, unifi phone number, unifi phone number password at the fibre modem box. Huawei HG8240H5 Universal ONU is uncapped or maxcapped, confirmed by testing with other account. remember that alot of, huge percentage of, but not every streamyx 1Mbps account is capped 1.5Mbps at account level? The problem is other ISPs on TM HSBB such as Maxis is getting "LESS" even on telco's own speed test servers even on the lowest tiered plans. 30M plan you get max 28Mbps(6.7% loss) 100M plan you only get max 95Mbps(5% loss) Should we get 6% and 5% discounts on our bill because of getting lesser than as advertised? Such low tiered plan is no excuse when doing in house speed servers considering fibre can provide speeds in excess of >2Gbps. You want to sell best effort and no guarantee 1Gbps plans it's fine by me, but even 30M/100M plans you want to shortchange your customers? |
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QUOTE(Candy12 @ Jul 28 2020, 02:15 PM) About the bolded part, "same result not a bit more anymore". i do know such situation, just that i am reporting another situation.The problem is other ISPs on TM HSBB such as Maxis is getting "LESS" even on telco's own speed test servers even on the lowest tiered plans. 30M plan you get max 28Mbps(6.7% loss) 100M plan you only get max 95Mbps(5% loss) Should we get 6% and 5% discounts on our bill because of getting lesser than as advertised? Such low tiered plan is no excuse when doing in house speed servers considering fibre can provide speeds in excess of >2Gbps. You want to sell best effort and no guarantee 1Gbps plans it's fine by me, but even 30M/100M plans you want to shortchange your customers? |
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Just wondering if anybody's using wtfast (GPN - Gamer's Private Network)?
Does it do wonders? Seems like ASUS uses it in their solution with their gaming routers |
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