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 Gamer's network most important thing is...

What matters most for you gamers?
 
Super low latency! The lower the better!! [ 53 ] ** [49.53%]
High speed - for all the streaming and twitching. [ 2 ] ** [1.87%]
Stable connectivity [ 28 ] ** [26.17%]
Awesome device (e.g. Netgear Nighthawk, etc.) [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
All of the above - and I'm willing to pay! pay!! pay!!! [ 24 ] ** [22.43%]
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TSrivacordex
post Jul 10 2020, 12:18 AM, updated 6y ago

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I'm wondering what matters the most for you hardcore gamers out there.

How're you even surviving with some of the crappy connectivity we hit when playing some serious games!?!?


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post Jul 12 2020, 04:57 PM

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The most important is: Bufferbloat.
ISP that have Anti Bufferbloat is TIME and Viewqwest Malaysia.

Unifi to Telekom Malaysia speed test server: ~7ms
Viewqwest to Telekom Malaysia speed test server: ~5ms
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Having no 0ms Bufferbloat is heaven, you can run Download or Upload all the time but latency not effected!
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post Jul 12 2020, 08:18 PM

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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Jul 12 2020, 04:57 PM)
The most important is: Bufferbloat.
ISP that have Anti Bufferbloat is TIME and Viewqwest Malaysia.

Unifi to Telekom Malaysia speed test server: ~7ms
Viewqwest to Telekom Malaysia speed test server: ~5ms
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Having no 0ms Bufferbloat is heaven, you can run Download or Upload all the time but latency not effected!
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you got trace route result from viewqwest malaysia? is it viewqwest own fibre area or viewqwest TM HSBB area? as i know maxis fibre TM HSBB area has almost double ping to sgp-1.valve.net compare to unifi fibre.
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post Jul 12 2020, 08:28 PM

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strange that unifi fibre lowest ping to any web services is around 6ms, while other FTTH has around 1ms lowest ping? but unifi fibre end user still can get 1ms to other unifi fibre end user connected to the same BRAS.
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post Jul 12 2020, 09:28 PM

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QUOTE(Alpha_Tay @ Jul 12 2020, 08:18 PM)
you got trace route result from viewqwest malaysia? is it viewqwest own fibre area or viewqwest TM HSBB area? as i know maxis fibre TM HSBB area has almost double ping to sgp-1.valve.net compare to unifi fibre.
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I went to Customer House for some IT services at Setia Eco Glades (2.937678, 101.633800)
I didn't run Trace Route, I run many Speed Test, Viewqwest is the lowest ping I ever encountered for Home,

IP: 103.232.29.4
8ms to StarHub Mobile Pte Ltd (SG)
9ms to Viewqwest Pte Ltd (SG)
5ms to Telekom Malaysia Berhad (MY)
4ms to IP Core Sdn Bhd (MY)
9ms to Maxis (MY)

and get A+ for Bufferbloat at http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest
Viewqwest Network very clean, what they claim is true!
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post Jul 13 2020, 02:33 AM

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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Jul 12 2020, 09:28 PM)
I went to Customer House for some IT services at Setia Eco Glades (2.937678, 101.633800)
I didn't run Trace Route, I run many Speed Test, Viewqwest is the lowest ping I ever encountered for Home,

IP: 103.232.29.4
8ms to StarHub Mobile Pte Ltd (SG)
9ms to Viewqwest Pte Ltd (SG)
5ms to Telekom Malaysia Berhad (MY)
4ms to IP Core Sdn Bhd (MY)
9ms to Maxis (MY)

and get A+ for Bufferbloat at http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest
Viewqwest Network very clean, what they claim is true!
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Setia Eco Glades was the first area of ViewQwest Malaysia Fibre Residential, not using TM HSBB.

https://www.lowyat.net/2017/147651/viewqwes...idential-plans/

trace route from unifi fibre to 103.232.29.4 go through viewqwest.myix.my with 7.2ms lowest ping.

clean could also mean small network.
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post Jul 13 2020, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Jul 12 2020, 09:28 PM)
I went to Customer House for some IT services at Setia Eco Glades (2.937678, 101.633800)
I didn't run Trace Route, I run many Speed Test, Viewqwest is the lowest ping I ever encountered for Home,

IP: 103.232.29.4
8ms to StarHub Mobile Pte Ltd (SG)
9ms to Viewqwest Pte Ltd (SG)
5ms to Telekom Malaysia Berhad (MY)
4ms to IP Core Sdn Bhd (MY)
9ms to Maxis (MY)

and get A+ for Bufferbloat at http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest
Viewqwest Network very clean, what they claim is true!
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Sabah and Sarawak users get 30~50ms on unifi. So how did you compare?
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post Jul 14 2020, 08:41 AM

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QUOTE(junclj @ Jul 13 2020, 05:27 PM)
Sabah and Sarawak users get 30~50ms on unifi. So how did you compare?
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it's comparing performance, not fairness.
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post Jul 15 2020, 12:23 AM

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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Jul 12 2020, 04:57 PM)
The most important is: Bufferbloat.
ISP that have Anti Bufferbloat is TIME and Viewqwest Malaysia.

Unifi to Telekom Malaysia speed test server: ~7ms
Viewqwest to Telekom Malaysia speed test server: ~5ms
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Having no 0ms Bufferbloat is heaven, you can run Download or Upload all the time but latency not effected!
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First time I've heard about bufferbloat.

Did a quick read up about that - and trying to understand what it is vs what you're saying.

Just reading off https://www.bufferbloat.ne seems to indicate this is device issue?

And when you mention that TIME and Viewqwest is anti bufferbloat - can i assume you're referring to the device still or some other setup within their network?



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post Jul 15 2020, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(rivacordex @ Jul 15 2020, 12:23 AM)
And when you mention that TIME and Viewqwest is anti bufferbloat - can i assume you're referring to the device still or some other setup within their network?
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TIME and Viewquest dont have speed cap at ONT side (Hardware defined), the speed cap happen at PPPoE or Account (Software defined).
This is how TM making Maxis Fiber looks bad, cap on ONT cause Router received more buffer, more latency.

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post Jul 16 2020, 03:30 PM

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I got this
http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/64878335
don't know is it okay or not.
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post Jul 16 2020, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(prokiller1199 @ Jul 16 2020, 03:30 PM)
I got this
http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/64878335
don't know is it okay or not.
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That looks really impressive! I've quite a bit worse than yours: http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/64859238

Bufferbloat is a massive big D

This post has been edited by rivacordex: Jul 16 2020, 05:46 PM
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post Jul 18 2020, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Jul 15 2020, 01:31 PM)
TIME and Viewquest dont have speed cap at ONT side (Hardware defined), the speed cap happen at PPPoE or Account (Software defined).
This is how TM making Maxis Fiber looks bad, cap on ONT cause Router received more buffer, more latency.
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TNB Allo and Celcom Timur Sabah networks also doesn't practice bufferfloat. Accounts are capped acordingly leaving full speed on each subscriber's ONT.
You'll know this when running speedtests, the result is always slighly higher than your subscribed plan due to some leakages.

I don't see the need to double cap users on both ends accounts and ONT profiles.

Really stupid TM decision, they only making their network more inefficient and slower.
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QUOTE(Candy12 @ Jul 18 2020, 03:56 PM)
TNB Allo and Celcom Timur Sabah networks also doesn't practice bufferfloat. Accounts are capped acordingly leaving full speed on each subscriber's ONT.
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Yes, Account cap is better! make network much cleaner!

QUOTE(Candy12 @ Jul 18 2020, 03:56 PM)
Really stupid TM decision, they only making their network more inefficient and slower.
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TM always back, fake speed test results, horrible Bufferbloat
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Consistent performance and no ping spike.

Good routing is a huge plus. I notice TIME have a better routing to SG Steam server than TM.
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post Jul 23 2020, 12:03 AM

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QUOTE(rivacordex @ Jul 16 2020, 05:45 PM)
That looks really impressive! I've quite a bit worse than yours: http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/64859238

Bufferbloat is a massive big D
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So silly - i figured out recently, probably due to the heavy thunderstorms late - my ONT unit was turned off for some reason, and the wifi router's connection fallback to the USB 4G dongle unit

Latest test - looks good! Check it out:
http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/64951007
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post Jul 23 2020, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(blacktubi @ Jul 19 2020, 11:35 AM)
Consistent performance and no ping spike.

Good routing is a huge plus. I notice TIME have a better routing to SG Steam server than TM.
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How do you see whether TIME or TM has better routing etc.?

My PSN connection quite unstable - but that maybe my poor wifi coverage towards the wifi router sad.gif cry.gif
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its no point for low latency, if you get regular packet loss / lag spikes. i often get 15ms to singapore server, ping low, but spike happen that cause a mini freeze and enemies just warp around. ping latency may not show or it shows a jump to say 50ms for example. eventho 50ms is low but the jumping of up and down is worse. rather you stay 80ms consistent than low ping and jump up, not reliable.

stable connectivity is most important. low latency comes second.
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post Jul 24 2020, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(rivacordex @ Jul 23 2020, 12:06 AM)
How do you see whether TIME or TM has better routing etc.?

My PSN connection quite unstable - but that maybe my poor wifi coverage towards the wifi router  sad.gif  cry.gif
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Totally no issue with Unifi in Sabah here, I'm playing Monster Hunter World Iceborne in PS4 and never get disconnecting. Line is very stable because I'm using LAN connection. I link one Cat6 cable from upstairs to living because my main router is placed at upstairs with a 16-port gigabit switch. Then my second router is an aimesh node then link one LAN cable to another second 16-port gigabit switch. So the switch get connected my tvbox, ps4, smart tv, living room desktop pc. Line very fast and stable, even tvbox can get 510mbps full speed on speedtest. Just the ping a bit high in Sabah here, 30~40ms. That's why, line stability is very important. Far more important than ping latency. That's why I vote for line stability.

Low ping then how? I don't play PUBG, Battlefield and Dota2 sorry, I don't like to play that kind of games. I only play MHW Iceborne because I only like PVE not PVP. Game is playing for fun but not for mad when we get killed by other players especially by bot. Low latency is really useless for me, I really can't feel what is the different between 10ms and 100ms.

I admit that results in Sabah here is worse than West Malaysia.
http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/64969738

This post has been edited by junclj: Jul 24 2020, 10:35 AM
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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Jul 15 2020, 01:31 PM)
TIME and Viewquest dont have speed cap at ONT side (Hardware defined), the speed cap happen at PPPoE or Account (Software defined).
This is how TM making Maxis Fiber looks bad, cap on ONT cause Router received more buffer, more latency.
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I don't think Unifi is capped speed base on ONT, my Unifi upgrade from 30mbps -> 50mbps -> 500mbps. Last time during 30mbps, TM capped my speed to 27mbps only. After they offer 50mbps free upgrade, my speed can get 52mbps but they never come to my home to replace new ONT. Later that, TM free upgrade my Unifi to 500mbps again, I just need to restart my ONT to get 500mbps. No technicians come to replace my ONT, still remain the same old ONT.

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