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> Bought nice Digi number for RM105 but scammed!, line cannot use and seller not refunding

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post Aug 13 2007, 04:39 AM

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QUOTE(blinky @ Aug 13 2007, 03:39 AM)
I don't need to wait for you to come back to Malaysia. Why not just tell me where are you located at? I can get some people or someone to meet you if I have people from that place. How about that?

Stay out of Malaysia, your IQ level and imbecility will be a disgrace to this already sad country.
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Oh can. Why don't you tell me also where to find you and oppss.. i can gather that information from your blog and send someone to meet you too. How bout that?

Haha.. And who are you to have the right to get me to stay out wor? Minister ah? And what a disgracing sight malaysian forumer has turn into. Simply accuse and talk only. Can't prove nothing then don't say anything. And yeah, your IQ so high until you only know how to accuse people only yeah?


Added on August 13, 2007, 4:44 am
QUOTE(LeonTan @ Aug 13 2007, 03:40 AM)
Eh? I thought u still dun understand what all ppl talking about... Actually u understand already... Luckily...  whistling.gif

U see, actually ur case is very easy to settle just because of ur attitude, u make us quite angry the way u do business here... If u really care bout the case, many ppls in LYN will help althought they dunno u....
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Eh.. so you didnt read before you comment? U see.. why are all of you angry? Coz i said my refund is subject to condition? Its wrong to have different business conduct, is it? Yeah, all just wanna press me into refunding or something. When can't all the nasty things come out. Yeah they dunno me hence its fair for them to throw the kitchen sink at me and bro eh?

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post Aug 13 2007, 04:51 AM

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QUOTE(kingmaker_20 @ Aug 13 2007, 04:26 AM)
You go to court to just show the prove or to settle the case/dispute?Court will look at the case first and how to solve it and then only ask for prove and the prove you're asking is not realistic.It's already proven that you sold the item not digi or anyone else sold the item.If digi cheated you,you should refer to digi.The buyer who bought the item from you should refer you.Again,i don't think you going to understand either. smile.gif

Another round of blaming game?LOL...you are the one twisting the situation eventho many forumers explained to you in good manner and bad manner.Again,you're not going to understand this either.
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Erm.. have you attended a court case before? Court will look at the claim, defence, evidence and then decide. outcome all depends on evidence, on whether you ca prove your claim. prove first before settle. Bro sold the card but no authority to validate the number. Only digi has the right. can bro be held liable when the validity is terminated prematurely by digi? Did i or bro denying selling the card? again? If you have nothing more to add, then don't.
yeah its just another round of blaming. lol.. how did i twist? lay it down one by one..


Added on August 13, 2007, 4:53 am
QUOTE(LeonTan @ Aug 13 2007, 04:50 AM)
ya... i scare until so many pages she still dunno what we talking about... i think she thought her brother also a victim and
her brother din ask for refund so she also dun want refund lo... maybe only...
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And if you haven't read the thread from the start and just comment for the sack of commenting then save it coz you are not saying anything new.

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post Aug 13 2007, 05:03 AM

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QUOTE(LeonTan @ Aug 13 2007, 05:01 AM)
sorry lo... scared u still dunno what are we try to tell u...
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And again you are not saying anything new.
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post Aug 13 2007, 05:25 AM

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QUOTE(Malaysian @ Aug 13 2007, 05:08 AM)
just call her brother everyday and deal with the brother.
.no need deal with her...
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Yeah call away if you want. you are very rich.


Added on August 13, 2007, 5:26 am
QUOTE(LeonTan @ Aug 13 2007, 05:13 AM)
of course same la... in lyn we are brothers, so of course we talk  the same thing...
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Yeah "band of brothers" eh? team up and start throwing some 'nice' words around...


Added on August 13, 2007, 5:28 am
QUOTE(Karberator-x @ Aug 13 2007, 05:24 AM)
aiyah just refund ts money or maybe u go refer to digi about the number.........
make the number can be use again....
no need to fight2.......

u sell ts those item so u should responsible about the problem......
haiz nowdays world like this also can....
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Join the crowd...

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post Aug 13 2007, 06:18 AM

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QUOTE(sub_noob @ Aug 13 2007, 06:13 AM)
why dont u all try to meet up and discuss it.. Go to digi together and settle it up.. this case should be simple..

If they right about it then u should refund it.. u have to clean your name right..?
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Bro wouldn't pursue, i'm not in malaysia. They are right about what? I have lay down my condition for refund. Clean my name? After all this? Possible?
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post Aug 13 2007, 07:23 AM

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QUOTE(LeonTan @ Aug 13 2007, 07:14 AM)
Haiz... We tried to help her but she keep saying us... Mayb really have to wait her come back malaysia... If not her name in LYN will be very famous already...
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Please read all before you say 'she keep saying us'...
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post Aug 13 2007, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(temptation1314 @ Aug 13 2007, 08:30 AM)
God, this thread still alive?

Haiz.... Btw, rene, just want to reconfirm, you selling New Sim card or used Sim card.

Just answer new or used.


Added on August 13, 2007, 8:45 am

Opps, just notice this post.

sorry coz i'm too lazy to read all babbling.

Btw, if you could said that you're selling "New" Sim card from a shop, could you just provide every details here?

Including the shop name, phone, address. I just want to do some report to Digi to investigate this matter.

I suspect that there's a illegal syndicate happening between these matter.

Just the matter you could provide or not. (This is a turning point where you could prove that you doesn't cheat.)
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OK will ask bro on the shop name. And if you can't say thing nicely then might ask well don't say anything. If wanna say me babbling, then I can say you babbling as well. Can we just stop who is babbling and bull and all that?


Added on August 13, 2007, 2:45 pm
QUOTE(mcchin @ Aug 13 2007, 09:41 AM)
sorry... one more to go....tongue.gif

rene
your brother took up a seller responsibility when he started selling stuff
you just cant say "dunno" .....

no one saying your brother intention to con ppl
it is just the afterwards when the business go south.. then your attittude shows up

there is a provision to protect seller of a product
there also provision in protecting buyer when the product is defective or even substandard.

when your brother took up the task to sell the Digi cards
he must have the least knowledge of the product he is selling

eg: I was selling some popular "Vitamins" pills to the pub go-er. then the police detain me cause selling x-tasy. I say "I dunno maaa, I thought it is vitamins maa" and ask to police " to prove my intention of selling drugs, cause i am just the middle man maa." If you yhink this is lame, same goes to your so called "reasoning"

In the current civilised world, repercussion from our every action is what keeping humans in check. By dismissing responsibility where ever you deem fit just show how "civilised" you are

oh and cheers
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And again, if you do not have anything new to add then please don't/ And for example. Just stop giving any ok? And the example given by you is your creation. I can also give example. Different product just different way to handle it. If you wanna talk civilised, then start being civilized in how you all speak. No swearing etc.


Added on August 13, 2007, 2:51 pm
QUOTE(temptation1314 @ Aug 13 2007, 10:12 AM)
There's no ethic or responsible inside herself and her's brother. They will keep on deny whatever the reason with lame excuses.

What I want to investigate now is whether is it the shop that rene's brother bought from is dealing with some illegal syndicate or no.

If yes, legal action will be taken as I already liased with a CS and their Business Managers from Digi. Only the matter that rene want to co-operate or not. If not, Digi will sue you down for selling a tampered sim card. That's all.
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Its new. And have you said enough on the ethical part and lame? how can digi sue bro and me for selling tampered sim card as the cards were obtained together with other simcards that work perfectly fine.


Added on August 13, 2007, 2:57 pm
QUOTE(bdl @ Aug 13 2007, 10:45 AM)
-- what for givenso much and  all those type of answer ,, and explaination .. doh.gif

-- 1.   are you going to refund the buyer ...?
-- 2.   are you taking the respondsiblity to go  DiGi centre  settle the activation problem ..?

-- just give the answer .. YES ..or NO ..  icon_idea.gif
-- you don't dare just to answer Yes ... or NO ...

-- the seller try to avoid answer .. just a simple yes .. or no ...  laugh.gif  rclxm9.gif ....
-- if yes ... case settle ...

-- if no ... case also settle ...
-- seller not going to hold resposiblity of the item sold .. right ..?  thumbup.gif

-- then no need to argue and answer any more question already -liao-mah ..  whistling.gif
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And are you saying anything new?

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post Aug 14 2007, 12:08 AM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Aug 13 2007, 05:24 PM)
this one has been suggested but she kept on skip it.. her eyes got problem...kor sai
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Seriously your own eyes have problerm man. You are free to reply here every single minutes and hour I don't. This issue is not the center of my life.

If your eyes doesnt have any problem then you will see that i have said i'll will ask my brother about the name of the shop.

Skip what?

The shop name is Lanang Communication. I can't find the name in the yellow pages. So if you want the contact number then have to wait for my bro to go and find it out, if the shop is still around.


Added on August 14, 2007, 12:13 am
QUOTE(bdl @ Aug 13 2007, 06:10 PM)
-- nothing will be new ...

-- as long as you dare not just answer .. simple .. YES .. or NO ...

-- seller is avoding answer the question direct ...

-- cantonese say ... *got shit on the body* .. *shen yau shi*... laugh.gif
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Another one with eye problem is it? you can keep your shi.


Added on August 14, 2007, 12:17 am
QUOTE(mzhai @ Aug 13 2007, 08:11 PM)
sure avoid la....
ans liao means she / or her brother is guilty therefore nid to refund
which they are not planin to do
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Yeah accuse away... didnt reply immediately mean we are liar etc... didnt answer immidetely means we are cheater.. yeah accuse away..


Added on August 14, 2007, 12:28 am
QUOTE(idiotidiot @ Aug 13 2007, 08:28 PM)
Sigh. Rene. If you could be a little bit more cooperating we wouldnt be so worked up about this. You need not refund at the time being but just give your full cooperation to us in getting to the bottom of this. Both parties are victims here. Bro decided to just let it go? What explanation is this. Just, for god sake, check with the shop you obtained the numbers from about the numbers. There is no need to point anybody of who is wrong.

When someone defends themselves as innocent but without solid proof, it sure wont be convincing wouldnt it. Prove yourself not guilty by actions, not words. @.@

edit : and Rene i suggest you just calm down before replying here.. your anger is only igniting others'. Proper anger management  blush.gif
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Man... Delay in answering not avoiding. I'm working. I know there some no need to work or off work already can la reply and comment.
Anger management? Tried being call.. in the first place, a cheater, then a scammer, then irresponsible, then ignorant, then bullshitter, then f***er, then uncooperative, then liar, then being an avoider, then then blabbler, then stupid, then small/no brainer, then body have shit, then eyes got problem, then cover-up, then parents got drag in, then immatured, then what else malaysian? one insult after another. so what did i miss or what i have not being called? And who got angry and start swearing first? Being a girl has nothing to do with it. Go and swear at a guy and see what happen? Will you still calm down? Not enough provocation is it?

Its the accuser that has to prove. Thats why they call it innocent until proven guilty. No case wouldnt call for defence. No case i can just say no case to answer. Then let the mod decide.


Added on August 14, 2007, 12:33 am[quote=rene,Aug 14 2007, 12:08 AM]
Seriously your own eyes have problerm man. You are free to reply here every single minutes and hour I don't. This issue is not the center of my life.

If your eyes doesnt have any problem then you will see that i have said i'll will ask my brother about the name of the shop.

Skip what?

The shop name is Lanang Communication. I can't find the name in the yellow pages. So if you want the contact number then have to wait for my bro to go and find it out, if the shop is still around.


Added on August 14, 2007, 12:13 am

Another one with eye problem is it? you can keep your shi.


Added on August 14, 2007, 12:17 am

Yeah accuse away... didnt reply immediately mean we are liar etc... didnt answer immidetely means we are cheater.. yeah accuse away..


Added on August 14, 2007, 12:28 am

Man... Delay in answering not avoiding. I'm working. I know there some no need to work or off work already can la reply and comment.
Anger management? Tried being call.. in the first place, a cheater, then a scammer, then irresponsible, then ignorant, then bullshitter, then f***er, then uncooperative, then liar, then being an avoider, then then blabbler, then stupid, then small/no brainer, then body have shit, then eyes got problem, then cover-up, then parents got drag in, then immatured, then langsi, then arrogant, then smart ass, then what else 'good' fellow malaysian? one insult after another. so what did i miss or what i have not being called? And who got angry and start swearing first? Being a girl has nothing to do with it. Go and swear at a guy and see what happen? Will you still calm down? Not enough provocation is it?

Its the accuser that has to prove. Thats why they call it innocent until proven guilty. No case wouldnt call for defence. No case i can just say no case to answer. Then let the mod decide.


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post Aug 14 2007, 02:16 AM

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QUOTE(idiotidiot @ Aug 14 2007, 12:54 AM)
You seem to have a different view of what case we are talking about. Yes, it falls upon the accuser to prove whether you are at fault or not. And they have. By being the seller, you sold them a faulty item. That is quite solid enough proof isnt it?

But now.. if the number are terminated without your knowledge and is not you nor your bro's wrongdoings, YOU ARE NOT AT FAULT AT ALL. I REPEAT, YOU ARE NOT TO BE BLAMED. UNDERSTAND? Just that before clearing your name, you gotta go and do your homework : get to the bottom of all these. You have to go to DiGi and tell them your dilemma. Solve the problem by cooperating with babana and little min.. Dont just keep your stand that losses occurs only on your bro and that babana and little min loses much more less than your bro, and you need not do anything. As a seller, you should be responsible, and if refund is not an option, at least find out what happened to the numbers since it is not tampered with, and not surpassing its expiry date, and give them a satisfying answer.

Sheesh. If you wanted to solve it peacefully before, flame would not happen.
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You can have a different view and I can't? Have they proven that bro has knowledge that the item is faulty when he sold it? And that he has intention to cheat? Have they? Solid proof with what? That bro sold the card? have bro or me ever deny that?

And is my bro at fault that the sim card is new but service terminated by digi before its time? You understand this too right? I dont have to bold it right?

What dilemma? That i have been called a stupid f***er and stupid irresponsible seller for not wanting to pursue against digi?

Digi has told the buyers what happen. So any different will it make if bro go and find out? Sheesh... Did I ever curse and swear at people in the first place?
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post Aug 14 2007, 03:14 AM

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QUOTE(LeonTan @ Aug 14 2007, 03:02 AM)
So wheres littlemin and banana them...? So long din see them post here already... Still no solution?

My fren, not all ppl over here, swear or curse u.... They just want to help u.... I think if u control ur anger, there will many ppls willing to help u... Agree anyone?
Business is not always will get profit, sometimes also will loss.... I'm a seller too but this is business... U cant say sorry and just say thats not my problem... U see,even thought I give my customers 3 days warranty but I always call them if got anything, fell free to contact me and I will help them...
Do u know what is the business slogan? Customer is always right... If the simple slogan U also cant remember then U should think many times before u u sell things here...
To be honeatly I rather loss my money then loss my customers... Understand what I mean....? I hope u understand what I mean...
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And who didnt control the anger in the first place. You wanna track back? I can track back. If i said sorry not my problam i'll say already long time ago. I'll just say sorry not my problem no refund whatsoever. My refund is subject to condition. Is that wrong too? Customer always right even though its not the seller's fault? Think about it too the next time someone claim from you when its not your fault. Losing the money is not the word here. I dont mind refunding but just show to me its my bro's fault that the number cannot be use. Understand that?
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QUOTE(jack2 @ Aug 14 2007, 03:03 AM)
I have PM Babana pertaining to the serial number of the SIM  but the card is not with him.

The littemin, today whole day tak tahu pergi mana..

Otherwise, with the serial number, I can prove the whole story!
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Yeah, can't wait!


Added on August 14, 2007, 3:59 am
QUOTE(lovepassion @ Aug 14 2007, 03:25 AM)
my dear... just remember what goes around come around...

Try to think, if you are the TS... what will you do... I bet you will be just like him... Please be understanding too...
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Yeah what goes around do come around. And me n bro didnt do anything wrong so if it do come it wouldnt come to us.


Added on August 14, 2007, 4:17 am
QUOTE(sopen2003 @ Aug 14 2007, 03:33 AM)
ya.. put ur self in other people place, then u know.. hard or what..
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and this has been said in here for how many times?
and my bro paid money to get the sim card as well. he's not a victim because he buy to sell again? only the 2 buyers are the victims? yes my bro is not pursuing against digi, the two buyers are persuing against him. and gotten accuse for dunno what. yeah his bad for not wanting to pursuing against digi. He accept his bad luck and not the two buyers. is that wrong?


Added on August 14, 2007, 4:28 am
QUOTE(LeonTan @ Aug 14 2007, 03:40 AM)
No matter customer is wrong, the seller is right, in business world, Customer Always Right... Thats we always practise... Yes even thought is not my fault, but this is business... Like I sell a hard disk to my customers and my customer found that is faulty, of course the 1st thing we should do is check whats the problem... If really not the customer broke it, then we should refund... Then only we discuss with our supplier... Do not ever ever drag our customers with our problems....
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And hard disk example has been given for how many times? Different product different. And both buyers has been told of the same thing. Would digi tell my bro a different thing? you are an agent and you can discuss with supplier, bro is not an agent so how to iscuss when digi already told what they told to the buyers?

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post Aug 14 2007, 05:32 AM

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QUOTE(LeonTan @ Aug 14 2007, 04:49 AM)
Because I really sell hard disk ma.... I also selling digi and hotlink sim card, so I understand ur situation...Haiz....
Btw who call ur bro din check the sim card before he sell... As a seller before we sell things we MUST make sure the thing is working... Is this the 1st time u sell things or do business here? All sellers over here knows that... We must double check the things we sell before we sell it to customers....
Sometimes dun always think of profits only... Service is also very important, my fren.....
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Your comments above has been said dunno how many times already and i have replied also dunno how many times already. And after this someone else will say, ya coz you dont understand you stupid that why have to repeat over and over again. And i'll reply saying what ever i have said earlier. It'll just go round and round and round...

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