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 TNB Allo Nationwide Open Fibre Expansion, CBJ,Malacca,Perak,Penang,Johor & Kedah

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dave99021
post Aug 7 2020, 01:46 PM

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Have been a long time lurker on both Unifi and this TNB Allo Thread, Thanks for Candy12 for sharing ton's of insight on how these
FTTH structures are plan out an operate on thumbup.gif

I saw a post in this thread mentioning they might be expanding to Botani/Ampang in Phase 2 (Which i assume it will be Taman Ampang Area?)
But i can't get any confirmation from official sources hope someone is able to correct me on that.

Really Frustrated on Unifi Taking their sweet ass time to expand to my house, Only this year they seem to get caught with their pants down
and speed up the enrollment behind my Taman.

Might be coincide with new development behind my housing area but i do hope that TNB are able to pull their fiber lines
here as it has been neglected for the past 10 years vmad.gif
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post Aug 7 2020, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(Jasilu90 @ Aug 7 2020, 02:53 PM)
Thanks for the news, Although I have doubt that TNB will expand to those area as the news didn't explicitly mention TNB but by using the Umbrella term HSBB (which could
meant either Unifi or TNB). But their Website Tender Notice do mention on Fiber Infra in Sg Rapat (Fiber Hut?) which located right around Botani And Ampang Area. So all hope is not lost? sweat.gif

I know Candy12 mention that TNB will not overlap TM Unifi location, But from my perspective it's weird that TNB does not utilize their competitive pricing as their advantage,
Unless there's some underhand table agreement that's not Visible to us Consumer.


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post Aug 8 2020, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(Candy12 @ Aug 7 2020, 06:30 PM)
If TM continues to expand its HSBB coverage sparsely by just placing minimal ports and to reserve their foothold in these areas, TNB will eventually will blocked from expanding to potential key areas where demand really exists.

My suggestion is that TNB Allo should go head on and expand directly into rich existing community areas to shake TM up. Go right into Ipoh city such as Jalan Pasir Putih/Tebing Tinggi/Jalan Bendahara where TM is still slowly expanding to serve businesses there and target new/old gated community bangalow/Semi-D home gardens around Pasir Putih off Tiger Lane(off Jalan Sultan Azlan Shah) all the way to Ipoh Gardens and Bercham.

If they don't do that, TM is already taking the dirty moves to prevent TNB from entering popular areas where real demand exists and force them to enter leftover unwanted areas where people don't bother getting home fibre internet.

Healthy competition can only exists when there are more than 2 fixed line operators in an area with different infrastructure.If there's only 1 FTTH fixed provider in your area/building, the wholesale company will likely favor their own ISP(Unifi) and force other ISPs to eat the leftovers with their unfair wholesale port pricing structure.

For TM, it is already too late for them now to play dirty and start dominating areas where you once neglected for so many years. Even if you were to start providing new ports for the waiting lists, people will NOT subscribe to your packages anymore because of it's overpriced plans.

The reference price now offered by Allo CBB/Time Home Fibre for symmetrical 100M is RM99/mth.

Even if you managed to pull your lines earlier than TNB Allo to those who were on the Unifi waiting list for years unable to subscribe to it, will they subscribe once they find out that CBB/Time Home Fibre pricing is so much cheaper?

I'm currently on Maxis Home Fibre paying RM99/mth for symmetrical 30M for the same price other people are getting 3X more the speed I'm getting at 100Mbps. The competing ISPs other than Unifi on TM HSBB network cannot do anything because of the wholesale port pricing TM imposes on them despite being a monopoly player in Malaysia.

Why smaller fibre networks such as TNB Allo and Time Fibre can offer cheaper wholesale ports but TM can't?
Not only that, their customer installations continue to cut costs and removing essential parts that was supposed to be provided to the customer such as wall sockets and proper fusion splicing for their drop fibres.
Also they're now starting to supply cheap unknown brand routers such as AZ-Tech to recent installations but forcing them to sign 2 years contract with remaining months penalty if the customer wants early termination.

Do you think existing and future customers want to tolerate this nonsense scam like practices?
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I supposed TNB have the resources to do that if they want to? As they seems to be in a much better financial state then TM.

I think TNB is trying to swiftly move into Area without Unifi to establish presence. As Ipoh having an aging population. They could only rely on brand name and pricing to attract people over as most are not tech
literate and will take anything that are present at the moment. sweat.gif
No body i talk to seem to be aware of their presence and the differences between Unifi HSBB and TNB Allo Network

Perhaps TNB Allo will have big enough resources in the future to take a gamble and expand into Unifi area and take their dominance away icon_idea.gif

For me It seems like TM don't know it's priority, First to be in the FTTH market still can screw up. Acquire Webe still doesn't provide enough coverage nor the capacity for rurals area
and their willingness to support aging Copper Infra rather than move everyone to Fiber which are potentially much cheaper in the long run doh.gif



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post Aug 8 2020, 09:01 PM

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QUOTE(Jasilu90 @ Aug 8 2020, 08:16 PM)
actually I hv facing a problem, when use lan
Cable to test the speed, it only show me 30-50mbps ... dun know why 😂
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Perhaps QOS Setting in the router abit messed up? hmm.gif
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post Aug 8 2020, 09:18 PM

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QUOTE(Candy12 @ Aug 8 2020, 09:05 PM)
His mobile speedtest results seem fine. More like the PC's operating system not optimized.

Have to see his setup first.

Jasilu90,
Can you try doing a speedtest to Newmedia Express (Singapore) using your mobile phone? Interested to know what are the pings and speed like.

Try doing it during peak hours and to ensure optimum speed, close all background apps before running the test.
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True, but i would expect a sufficiently modern PC to be able to be able to handle 100Mbps no problem. Need more Information to diagnose.
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post Aug 10 2020, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(jcws87 @ Aug 10 2020, 09:43 AM)
Candy12, can i know where is your area maxis exchange station? And have you check before whether maxis have provide certain area fiber access to their network?

Though your recommend Allo to send out pamphlets quickly, in my opinion will not help much as you should know that a person will hardly believe it or the knowledge existence of the company. For example, if u tell ppl TNB have internet the first reaction "TNB got provide internet meh, they not only provide electricity kah" or "aiya, I trust TM only".
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I think People are willing to try if the prices seems attractive enough, Perhaps Rm50 for 50Mbps plan? tongue.gif
Way Cheaper then the RM69 That Streamyx are charging for 4Mbps
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post Aug 10 2020, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(Xelnagakail @ Aug 10 2020, 12:50 PM)
Wow! It was very cheap, if Allo follow this pricing TM will be shitting themselves. How Thailand able to come up with such low price while Malaysia can't?
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I think you have to consider the Cost of Living in Thailand Rather than just straight convert to RM.

But yes why other Fiber provider are able to price their internet connection low when TM are not able to do that.
I think you know the Answer to that. dry.gif
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post Aug 10 2020, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(Candy12 @ Aug 10 2020, 12:58 PM)
Bangkok costs of living already surpassed KL now with Chaing Mai also catching up.

Their MNCs over there are paying more than Malaysian MNCs now.
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Perhaps that's why their HSBB are much cheaper compared to Malaysia, The high cost of living cause people to be much more price conscious
on Services that they subscribe to.

I'm not sure "Fiber as a Utility" concept as a whole are known in Malaysia. Saw these Interesting Video from Snazzy Labs
where they peak into a Active Optical Network as supposed to Passive Optical Network that we are using. IMHO Fiber infra should be handle by 3rd/Goverment
that don't have interest in monopolize the area as a whole but make it accessible like water/electric.

Could be Cheaper in the long run eh?


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post Aug 15 2020, 08:21 PM

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QUOTE(izhamsatria @ Aug 15 2020, 02:32 PM)
TM Perak FDPs as 15/08/2020

Just tick the boxes to reveal the markers. As usual, ASB is as built, PPF is planned, MOD and PAD same as ASB I think.
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According to TmGeomatics Legend, PAD = Implemented (whether it's active or not i'm not sure)
Just curious izhamsatria, Where do you get this FDP info thingy?

I notice Some of the FDP placement around my place is a bit weird. Like literally FDP on building that are literally abandon or <5 shops in it. doh.gif
It could be that it's just not being updated as i'm pretty sure they are way more FDP around Gunung View and Rapat Permai area.

Taman Ampang area and Taman Cempaka are literally void of any FDP at the moment. Hopefully TNB Allo would make their move quick and settle into these 2 area devil.gif

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post Aug 15 2020, 08:27 PM

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QUOTE(izhamsatria @ Aug 15 2020, 08:23 PM)
All from TMGeomatics, I just took the coordinates and map it.
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Oh, Can you share the link where you get the Coordinates? I can only find the Legend page.

I saw some TM Contractors are puling Fiber through the Underground Ducting. Not sure they are setting up another FDC in my area or just
FDP.
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QUOTE(izhamsatria @ Aug 15 2020, 08:28 PM)
Network Search

Inside the list have the coordinates.
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Thanks for the Info Izhamsatria, Just need to figure out a way to map all these coordinates to the Maps. Not sure how you do it so quick and efficiently
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post Aug 16 2020, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(HariszKilz @ Aug 15 2020, 10:59 PM)
TM remove the access for users faster than they could install the Fibre
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Something shady are definitely happening, It's like TM are monitoring this thread bangwall.gif
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post Aug 17 2020, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(Candy12 @ Aug 17 2020, 01:14 PM)
Merdeka promo only RM89/mth for 100M/100M.

Shame on TM and the other big 3 telcos in Malaysia for still charging RM129 for 100M/50M today considering they monopolize most of Malaysian FTTH marketshare and still cannot beat a smaller telco.

Worst they can't even provide proper standard installation and now resort to provide cheap CPE equipment to their customers while imposing REMAINING MONTHS early termination penalty on Malaysians.
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Doubt that will stop the Raging Customer from leaving.
Although i don't understand the remaining months penalty, does that apply for the first 2 year? or means i have to be very specific on what day i terminate or they will charge me early termination fees?

Depending how fast Allo gets to my area, i might have to sign up for Unifi first as there's no other option available.
Once Allo arrived i will ditch TM for good.
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post Aug 17 2020, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(Candy12 @ Aug 17 2020, 02:02 PM)
If you have no choice but to sign up with TM HSBB network, always keep a hardcopy of your registration confirmation and installation date letter SAFELY for self protection to avoid FUTURE disputes.

2 Years by DEFAULT from account creation/service commencement.
I'm paying RM99/mth now for a 30M/30M plan which is already way outdated with regional pricing.

My Maxis Home Fibre on TM HSBB network contract will in a few months time.

I won't even THINK TWICE to switch to an alternative fibre FTTH provider when the contract ends should they continue to keep such incompetent wholesale port pricing structure hindering all partner ISPs on TM HSBB from adjusting their current pricing structure for their home consumer broadband plans.

Shame on TM Wholesale for squeezing Malaysians with overpriced plans all these years when a smaller and lesser known ISP newcomer can take the lead first before them.

Thailand as we know are already selling 100M/100M plans for less than RM55/mth. Gigabit plans(with slower upload speeds) are already common for mid tier home user plans.

Despite Merdeka Day approaching,non of the ISPs on TM HSBB network is coming out with any price reduction promotion.
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It think i saw in TM Unifi Thread where the Contractor discourages Customer from switching to 300/500 Mbps Plan, Said that you won't see differences dry.gif
Probably as their way to not overloade their GPON network.

That also begs the question, Is Allo fiber network based on it's newer 10GPON Specification? As seeing them providing 1Gbps without any hesitation at all.
If there's 3-5 family subscribing for 1Gbps plan, won't it pretty much take up all the capacity that the FDP is providing? if i'm not mistaken each FDP have roughly
2Gbps of capacity?
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QUOTE(Candy12 @ Aug 17 2020, 03:04 PM)
Each port at the OLT is capable of 2.4Gbps download/1.2Gbps upload theoretically by standard to be shared upto 32 ONTs using passive splitters in a PON network.

It is not using 10GPON(XG-PON) standard because it is it, you will need to use a XG-PON fibre modem(ONT) in your setup which will costs significantly more and the latency will be much improved.

The decision to subscribe 500M/1Gbps plans is really up to the subscriber needs. Usually the 100M/100M is more than enough for most small families. There are some special cases who can effectively utilize such speeds such as running servers, then it's worth subscribing. But if you're just a regular user who surfs, streams and download mostly 100M will saturate your international connections to US and Europe even to the Far East Asian countries such as TW, SK or Japan.
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Then that begs the question, If TM are capable of delivering those speed per OLT port, Why are they not offering 500/1Gbps plan and cut the price of 100Mbps to Counter Allo? hmm.gif
For most users 100Mbps will be enough and would go for whatever ISP offering that speed for cheaper.

But for Users like me/Tech Savvy People who download/uploads lots, 500M for 139 Is very Attractive. I don't need to store games as could just download again.
Save me the headache of making backups + money for storage as well. whistling.gif

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post Aug 18 2020, 03:16 PM

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You could tell that TM is definitely in Panic Mode,
Just got a Message that my area will start deploying new FDC and FDP in my area this month end and complete on early October.
Will they be so proactive if Allo didn't come to this area? Don't think so bangwall.gif
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QUOTE(HariszKilz @ Aug 18 2020, 05:06 PM)
You reported to MCMC before ? cause whenever I asked TM regarding to my area, they always said depends on infra, demand and how fast they can pulled the Fibre. The thing is, it's already in their system. Why would they even bother seeking demand ? Plus, the agents said that fastest I could get is by the end of this year but judging on how TM is working in my area, I don't think it will reach my area by the end of this year. Progress in not consistent and sometimes the contractors are there and then gone for like weeks before showing up again. Meh. I don't think TM is even serious here because there's no competitors.
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Yes, I reported to MCMC on March this year. As very fed up as still stuck on Streamyx for Eternity when TM literally go and cover the Area behind my house where 80% of the Taman have access to Unifi.
Initially they said will be completed on December due to MCO, then push to October and now Early October. Supposedly to prevent Allo from taking over

If you look at the FDP distribution posted earlier on you will Notice Taman Cempaka and Taman Area are totally neglected. But if you step outside that area for one or 2 streets you will see Fiber lines everywhere.
Closest will be around 300-500 Meters way from my house. But they can't do it as no FDC for my Taman.

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Even till now they still want to screw with Streamyx Users vmad.gif
Neighbours behind me could get 8Mbps once they leave TM and Rejoin back.
But they Refuse to upgrade my speed despite being capable of delivering that speed and want's me to Resubscribe with higher price (89) just for 8Mbps.

As for Unifi Air, I don't use Landline telephone anymore so i miss their call on the trial period, When I ask them can i have the trial they just said the trial period habis ranting.gif
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Speed test shows that i can only get 2Mbps and very high jitters which indicate a congested network tower. rclxub.gif


Most of the time the Customer Service and Technical team have no idea what they are doing. So they can't verify my queries at all.
Once TNB Allo Arrive (which i hope it will be in the future) Will definitely jump ship as I have lost all confidences on TM.
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QUOTE(HariszKilz @ Aug 18 2020, 08:43 PM)
I see. I might consider reporting to MCMC just to know the current time frame for my area. Seriously, their CS is very lazy or maybe don't know anything. I already asked Twitter, email and etc and still gave me the same answer like that's the only answer they have. TM already monopoly landed residential for years now and I think it's better to give other ISP take over. At least got some competitors, maybe they will push their progress faster.

Yeah. I saw your area and that's how TM works tho. They always 'pilih bulu' to put their Fibre line which useless in 2020. Why not just fibrenize the whole taman ? I mean if you look closely, nearby area already got connection and some now, It's unfair treatment for us, customers. People pay for you service.  ranting.gif

About Unifi Air, it sucks really really bad. Their line is much more horrible then U Mobile for me. Plus, it depends on cellular network and tower and you know how 4G line in Malaysia works ? Very bad especially if there's too much users in there and they won't even bother upgrading the line. Smh

I don't mind waiting for TM or Allo or any other ISP, I'm just sad that TM shows no progress in my area. Always make people wait for what ? It's not like we're waiting and not paying for the service. It's 2020 and they still with their old attitude  bangwall.gif
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I will say just Report to MCMC, Make sure to take screenshot of neighboring area that have Fiber lines. I had a friend also saw progress once he complain it to MCMC as well.
I requested their staff to contact me via Whatsapp so i can ask them and they will relay the information from the network team.

I was very close to terminating Streamyx and just move to Digi Infinite.But i get confirmation from the staff from TM which said "Screamyx" Users will be prioritize to upgrade to
Unifi so i decided to held on for now

I could get 60Mbps Max with proper setup, 30Mbps on average with Digi Infinite, But i can't justify the upfront cost for a short term solution
as 5G is just around the corner.

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QUOTE(HariszKilz @ Aug 18 2020, 11:40 PM)
Thanks for the tips! I will report to MCMC soon. And I'm like your friend. My area Exchange is KKB and my neighboring area RA already installing Fibre on residential area. Before this, TM said they will prioritized on Government Premises only but turns out RA is already pulling to residential area. What sorcery is this ? Can they just install all area at the same time. Bruh.

Yep. I prefer relying on ground connection for now (Copper/Fibre) than Cellular. That thing is pretty unstable in my area. Digi also can reach around 40Mbps then dropped to 1Mbps, xD

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I do saw some of the roads in my area are marked with a circular X, which i think is those guys survey on where to put the FDC.
Time will tell if that's true or not. They are pretty hidden about their work in progress.
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QUOTE(coolguy_0925 @ Aug 19 2020, 12:02 AM)
wah the cable loop dropped until touching on the ground liao

Wonder why they spare so huge amount of extra there
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My Neighboring Area one the loop until the fiber line ends drop to the drain shakehead.gif
Hope they clean up before joining in to the FDP

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