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post Jun 13 2020, 10:33 AM

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Should be HLA plan,

https://www.hla.com.my/CMS/Product-Services...uct=73&Sub=1022
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post Jun 13 2020, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(victorian @ Jun 13 2020, 10:33 AM)
Yes. Just read the link and its accurate.
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post Jun 13 2020, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Jun 12 2020, 07:56 AM)
Since you had already decided to buy before you even write this thread, so what you want now?
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Not yet boss. Asking opinion in Lowyat.NET not unwise for most of the aspect.
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post Jun 13 2020, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jun 12 2020, 09:14 AM)
if i am not mistaken,...many months/years back...almost similar product from HLA...
can check from previous LYN threads for some valuable threads and posts....
https://www.google.com/search?q=hla+wealth+...iw=1366&bih=657

where they gives 20% pa.....
from only after 1st year after deposit
sort of like...
July 2020 you deposit RM10000
July 2021 you deposit RM10000, you get RM2000, thus 20% of your current deposit money, but your total deposit is RM20000, (2k of 18k is 11.1%)
July 2022 you deposit RM10000, you get RM2000, thus 20% of your current deposit money, but your total deposit is RM30000, (2k of 26k is 7.69%)
July 2023 you deposit RM10000, you get RM2000, thus 20% of your current deposit money, but your total deposit is RM40000, (2k of 34k is 5.88%)
July 2024 you deposit RM10000, you get RM2000, thus 20% of your current deposit money, but your total deposit is RM50000, (2k of 42k is 4.76%)
July 2025 you deposit RM10000, you get RM2000, thus 20% of your current deposit money, but your total deposit is RM60000, (2k of 50k is 4%)
and so on....
do take note....if you take that $$ out...your total cash value will be much affected later on
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 12 2020, 09:59 AM)
I don't know what plan you are posting.

But based on above limited info, it is more like a saving plan or endowment plan. It is not a fixed deposit with 30% or whatever % dividend/interest.

Saving plan guaranteed cash back is not your earned interest or dividend. It is not like you placed 100K with 30% cash back, then you you have 100K + 30K. It doesn't work that way.
Once you get the 30%, then surrender value drops.

A portion of cash back came from your own capital.

Normally saving plan return rate or IRR is more and less comparable to FD rate if held until maturity.
You need to count entire amount guaranteed cash back you are getting + maturity amount you are getting to determine the "real" dividend you are getting.
It is not like every year you get guaranteed 30% or 20%, then you still get back your own origin principal amount.

Saving plan is long term commitment, any premature withdraw may affect the principal amount, it is not a fixed deposit.

It is irresponsible for anyone to promote saving plan as fixed deposit.
It is also irresponsible to say guaranteed cash back is an interest or dividend earned.
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These two comments are very insightful for me.

Thank you

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post Jun 13 2020, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Jun 12 2020, 10:15 AM)
I calculated the IRR thereafter and it's somewhat like 4-5%. Even worse than your EPF return and can easily be on par with the current ASNB FP fund returns.
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Yes, they only highlighting the return for the first year, and not the overall return.
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post Jun 13 2020, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(Mr.Docter @ Jun 13 2020, 11:43 AM)
Not yet boss. Asking opinion in Lowyat.NET not unwise for most of the aspect.
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Dont rush. Wait first.

It's HLA product, it wont end at 12pm. It's an insurance savings plan typically (non guarantee) give you 4% to 6% per annum return over the long term.

Keep in mind 20 years is a long time. But insurance savings plan has it benefits as well. Just make sure you can accept the cons as well.

It's not fixed deposit and it's not for short term return.

QUOTE(Mr.Docter @ Jun 13 2020, 11:48 AM)
Yes, they only highlighting the return for the first year, and not the overall return.
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As long as you realise this, then wont kena tipu. Strictly speaking you dont get that return in 1st year because you cant get back your original premium, so strictly speaking 1st year is lose money also.

Haha. Anyway, there are other benefits cause if it is eligible for tax relief if you have not max especially the education insurance, you can receive financial gain.

Happy shopping for the right investment strategy for yourself and kids.


This post has been edited by adele123: Jun 13 2020, 11:55 AM
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post Jun 13 2020, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(victorian @ Jun 13 2020, 10:29 AM)
Bro pls refer to my reply above, 30% only for first year (60k/200k premium paid). After that as you put 200k each year, the guaranteed income percentage will drop. At the end you are only getting 5% interest on 1.2 million premium paid.

I’ll advise you not to take the offer and lock yourself for 20 years. Investment return are not guaranteed and it’s extremely illiquid that you will confirm lose out if you withdraw before 20 years.
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Yes. I do agree with your points. But anyway lock for 6 years, not 20 years as you put it.

Spent hour and half going through link that yklooi provide. Lucky stumbled upon you guys before commenting.
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QUOTE(adele123 @ Jun 13 2020, 11:50 AM)
Dont rush. Wait first.

It's HLA product, it wont end at 12pm. It's an insurance savings plan typically (non guarantee) give you 4% to 6% per annum return over the long term.

Keep in mind 20 years is a long time. But insurance savings plan has it benefits as well. Just make sure you can accept the cons as well.

It's not fixed deposit and it's not for short term return.
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6 years, rather than 20 years you guys mentioned.
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post Jun 13 2020, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(Mr.Docter @ Jun 13 2020, 11:53 AM)
6 years, rather than 20 years you guys mentioned.
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But you pay 6 years cant withdraw for 20 years. That's why 20 years lo. Fixed deposit normally 1 year ma.


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QUOTE(Mr.Docter @ Jun 13 2020, 11:53 AM)
6 years, rather than 20 years you guys mentioned.
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you just don't get it.

the payment is for 6 years, if you take out anywhere before 20 years, you'll lose money. Simple as that.
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post Jun 13 2020, 12:08 PM

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Putting aside this money with your mentioned 200k budget under investment could potentially get you RM3,343,351.36 - RM6,446,003.55 without being locked.

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post Jun 13 2020, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Jun 13 2020, 11:56 AM)
But you pay 6 years cant withdraw for 20 years. That's why 20 years lo. Fixed deposit normally 1 year ma.
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jun 13 2020, 11:56 AM)
you just don't get it.

the payment is for 6 years, if you take out anywhere before 20 years, you'll lose money. Simple as that.
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Ahhh. Just clarified, you guys are right. I misunderstood.

Just got the reply from agent regarding surrender value at 7th year is only RM 59,210 lol if 10k was initial capital.

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QUOTE(Mr.Docter @ Jun 13 2020, 12:11 PM)
Ahhh. Just clarified, you guys are right. I misunderstood.

Just got the reply from agent regarding surrender value at 7th year is only RM 59,210 lol if 10k was initial capital.

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this RM59210 value maybe "best" case scenario too

as stated in this HLA Wealth Booster Plus PDS, just hope your policy does NOT have this T&C

What are some of the key terms and conditions that I should be aware of?
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Cash value - the cash value of the investment-linked policy depends on the performance of the investment-linked funds selected.
The higher the level of insurance coverage selected, the more units will be absorbed to pay for the insurance charges and the fewer units will remain to accumulate cash values under your policy.
https://www.hla.com.my/CMS/CMSPages/GetFile...ce-5784770d1a61



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post Jun 13 2020, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(Mr.Docter @ Jun 13 2020, 10:22 AM)
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As pic attached above.

Sorry for the late reply. Was super busy during Covid phase.
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Please read and understand before committing to it
The 30% are only for 1st deposit
With 1.2m, 60k only 5% of it.
I recall black and white 30% is guaranteed but if I'm not mistaken the rest are not. Double check with your agent
Also how about fee? Charge monthly? Yearly? How much?

With market crashing, I rather study and brush up my knowledge to enter the market now. But that's just me.

Good luck

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post Jun 13 2020, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(Mr.Docter @ Jun 13 2020, 11:51 AM)
Yes. I do agree with your points. But anyway lock for 6 years, not 20 years as you put it.

Spent hour and half going through link that yklooi provide. Lucky stumbled upon you guys before commenting.
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Bro no one will buy this plan to withdraw on the sixth year. If you go in, you die die must hold it until 20 years, else you will get less than what you have paid for.

That’s why think carefully before you commit to this plan.

This post has been edited by victorian: Jun 13 2020, 02:19 PM
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post Jun 13 2020, 03:34 PM

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Just DIY invest in S&P 500 or stashaway. All these bancassurance plans have plenty of hidden fees to benefit the bank.
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post Jun 13 2020, 03:40 PM

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QUOTE(pigscanfly @ Jun 13 2020, 03:34 PM)
Just DIY invest in S&P 500 or stashaway. All these bancassurance plans have plenty of hidden fees to benefit the bank.
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Better still, just invest into bank stocks, they pay your dividend with customers money.

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post Jun 13 2020, 04:03 PM

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Just to add on, if you really need the insurance portion and don't want to be locked for such a long period of time, can consider buying a term life insurance plus creating your own portfolio of investment vehicle. That way, you can have the insurance part plus the ability to alter your own risk appetite and have the freedom to choose your investment target.

Have the best of both world.

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QUOTE(Mr.Docter @ Jun 13 2020, 12:11 PM)
Ahhh. Just clarified, you guys are right. I misunderstood.

Just got the reply from agent regarding surrender value at 7th year is only RM 59,210 lol if 10k was initial capital.

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to me this plan first boost insurance company and agent wealth before yours
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post Jun 13 2020, 11:59 PM

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Did you end up committing to the purchase?

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