Hey guys, I'm an 18y/o 'kid' trying to get my hands on some entry level pc. I've done some research and contact some seller but my parents are still wondering if the price can go anymore lower than rm2k. Do you guys have any budget build/ trusted seller recommendations for me? I look forward to hear all of you suggestions.

My pc is mainly for browsing, gaming, watching videos etc. Games I would usually play are dota2, LOL, CSGO, Destiny 2, Cod Warzone. Not looking for a pc with GPU because I'll leave it in future upgrades.

2nd question is which mobo are more useful for future upgrades? A320m or B450m, personally would choose b450m but if I can save a couple bucks it would help too.

3rd question is should I buy a psu or a case that comes with a psu? Because the case with psu do save me some money, but they look low quality and not safe 😅.

I look forward to all of your responds, please do give me some feedback!

IF you want your custom pc to run games consistently, I would suggest you consider a 2nd hand gpu into your budget, example a Sapphire RX580 8gb is running around MYR500 for 2nd hand if you are able to find one, 2nd regarding about motherboard, I personally dont care about what model is my motherboard as long as it comes from a reputable company and the motherboard is the size to your liking then it should be no problem, unless you want to overclock then a higer tier motherboard is recommended, NEVER EVER BUY A PSU THAT COMES WITH A CASE ! PSU is the most essential 1st stage for saving all your other custom pc compenent when there is unexpected power surge occur, we do not live in an ideal world where the power output is consistent and predictable, so NO never go cheap on your PSU, nowadays 550-650watt should be suffice to even play a AAA title games with no problem.

never buy shitty asus.

what is your budget?

Under 2000, including a monitor. Parents are strict with spending money 😅 a little over 2000 should be alright 😅

Thanks for clearing that out for me! Really needed the answers for 2nd and 3rd qeustions, much appreciated! However, where can I find 2nd hand components?

i m so touch by ur comment... so true

Why? What brand is good?

maybe account get hacked?

asus tax... slightly lower than apple tax

Super low budget makes it hard for a gaming rig. Quality comes at a price. Just go for these first

AMD Ryzen 3 2300X - 299
Asrock B450M Pro4 - 349
G.Skill Aegis 8GB DDR4-2666 X1 - 169
Sapphire RX 570 4GB ITX - 479
WD Blue or Seagate 1TB - 179
FSP Hyper K 500W - 169
Cooler Master Masterbox Lite 3.1 - 169
Acer EK220Q - 299

RM2112 total (Viewnet prices)

Yes, it plays games.

This post has been edited by TristanX: May 24 2020, 09:15 PM

think u dont get it.

they dont "tax" product uniformly. its like how to F asians incredibly.. blindfold.. press.

Hardcore?

Yup. Hardcore stuff on dark web.

I TL asus oso.. same level as illegear n level 51 those nia. But act tailou

Below I get from shopee, pricing should be cheaper but then you have to source it yourself.
You can go A320M or Asrock B450M-HDV which cost around RM264 if you want a cheaper MB.
I choose 2x RAM instead of 1 because Ryzen run faster with dual channel memory setup and you can add in another 2x4GB in future to become 16GB since the MB have 4 memory slot (B450M Pro4).
Add in a SSD for boot drive will make the system run more faster. You can store your data and game folder in the 1TB HDD.
I choose Tecware because it is more cheaper and come with 3/4 fan.
I did not include a GPU since a new mid range card with 4GB like GTX 1650 or RX 560 cost around RM600+ new. I would suggest get an used RX470/480/570/580 which can cost around RM300-RM400 but then it will come with it own risk.
Only the R3 2300X pricing I get from viewnet.

Items Price (RM)
Asrock B450M Pro4 318
Adata DDR4 2666 4Gb X2 163
Apacer AS340 SSD 120GB 99.88
Tecware Forge M 139
Seagate 1TB 169
FSP Hyper-K 500w 165
Acer EK220Q 285
AMD Ryzen 3 2300X 299
Total 1637.88

https://shopee.com.my/Asrock-B450M-Pro4-MAT...9687.2361540013
https://shopee.com.my/Seagate-BarraCuda-1TB...88920.341166116
https://shopee.com.my/TECWARE-FORGE-M-STEAL...6108.7830199806
https://shopee.com.my/ADATA-DDR4-(-4GB-8GB-...9687.4118767621
https://shopee.com.my/FSP-HYPER-K-500W-80-P...6936.1801048363
https://shopee.com.my/Acer-EK220Q-A-21.5-LE...4575.3226377350
https://shopee.com.my/APACER-AS340-2.5-SSD-...4975.1605528494
https://shopee.com.my/Asrock-B450M-HDV-R4.0...9687.2361604219

AS340 is DRAMless garbage. 4GB RAM today is nono. You have to buy a pair again for dual channel if you want 16GB.

1. get a 4C8T or 6C12T CPU if you plan to keep your pc for 5 years. get a Ryzen 5 3400G since u have no plan for a dedicated graphics card now. 8GBx2 ram will suit you for many years.
2. definitely B450M.
3. there are no good case that comes with good psu. that leaves you with only 1 choice: buy a case and psu separately. go for minimalistic with lots of vented front airflow. u want a timeless design.

Can go lower... A cheaper Mobo and a cheaper case.. but I'll swap SSD with the HDD.

A dram 120GB SSD cost more then RM200 compare to a dram-less SSD, more than double the price per performance. The only downside of dram-less is slower IO and lesser life-span, for only RM100.
Since TS have a RM2K budget, you get what you pay for. BTW, a dram-less SSD still faster than a normal HDD.
For the RAM, i suggest 2x4GB.

Yes, cheaper mobo with shitty VRM. Gonna have to upgrade motherboard again when TS decides to go 3700X or higher.

There is UV500 120GB. lol

https://shopee.com.my/search?keyword=uv500%20120gb

2X4GB? Then buy 2x8GB in future upgrade. You wanna pay extra?

UV500 still 43% more expensive compare to apacer as430. Like I say, you get what you pay for.

The B450M Pro4 have 4 slot, 2x4GB for now, can upgrade to 4x4GB in future if needed total 16GB. 8GB RAM is more than enough for daily usage and light gaming.

Note though, quad DIMMs can be very tricky to work with on AM4 platforms (especially if you factor something like XMP into the equation)

DRAMless drives can, in some cases perform even worse than a mechanical drive, so that's why TristanX has been advising users to go for a DRAM-equipped one

This post has been edited by chocobo7779: May 25 2020, 12:28 PM

Yet his budget have room to fit it.

2X4GB is garbage recommendation on 2020. Go for 1X8GB instead.

Can check the MB hardware compatibility list

https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/B450M%20Pro4/#Support

Already 2.1K...

Yes, if you want SSD a requirement from a low budget rig. Change the HDD to SSD.

Unless you want me to do the math for you.

R3 3300x 549
Gigabyte B450m 289
Kingston 2x4gb 2666mhz 198
Thermaltake 450w 129
Intel 760p NVMe 128GB 199
WD 1TB 189
Sapphire RX570 4GB 479

RM 2032.

Crap motherboard, still 2X4GB on year 2020 rubbish, no casing, low quality 450W for RX 570?

Below pricing without GPU. It is within budget and you can upgrade/change any component as you like.

Items Price (RM)
Asrock B450M Pro4 318
Adata DDR4 2666 4Gb X2 163
Apacer AS340 SSD 120GB 99.88
Tecware Forge M 139
Seagate 1TB 169
FSP Hyper-K 500w 165
Acer EK220Q 285
AMD Ryzen 5 3400G 629
Total 1967.88

I have another suggestion.. go buy 2nd hand dell/HP pc from 2nd hand pc shop... Rm1k for the higher end pc, then u add ram and add graphic card...
hope should be within 2k budget.

Yet still recommending crap. I don't even want DRAMless SSD garbage for free.

AMD Renoir APU is coming. I would not advise getting 3200G or 3400G now if thats the path he is going to take.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen...sktop-apu-specs

https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Ryzen-400...s.466311.0.html

Destiny 2 Performance:

https://www.techspot.com/review/1478-destin...-pc-benchmarks/

3400G built-in GPU has around the performance of GT 1030.

This post has been edited by TristanX: May 25 2020, 01:53 PM

Damn, that really gave me an idea of how shitty the integrated gpu is 😅 thanks tho, would consider your build, very efficient for everyday use, but I'm open for more suggestions!
Many thanks

Can't find many 2nd hand store in Ipoh 😅even if I did found some 2nd hand store they sell shitty stuff at shitty price. Went to IT Mall just now and many store closed down alr. Found one selling pc parts and they sold out of amd related products. Except a rm3200 pc with ryzen 5 3400g, Kingston 8gb ddr4, no gpu (because they actually sold that separately???? Lol what??) msi mobo(looks like one with gaming features) cooler master 650w psu (maybe 550w don't remember) 120gb ssd and 1tb seagate (forgot ssd brand because I never seen it b4) atx case.

They also have 2nd hand pc costing around 750 (intel setup) and the MOBO is old as fuckkkkk. Seller looked at me and said, this can run dota but I really recommend you to buy new pc.

Also forgot to mention I wasnt trying to play AAA games to be honest, and I am stuck with the daily reply quota so I can't answer everyone's questions.

Many thanks, Ryan

Buying everything from same shop may get you some discount as well.

Motherboard has better VRM than most of the rest. Only MSI B450 Tomahawk, B450-A Pro and B450M Mortar beats it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqQcgwz1hYA

Asrock B450 Gaming K4 is identical to B450M Pro4 when it comes to VRM. Can even handle 3950X (may still need to upgrade casing) in the future too.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d9_...t#gid=611478281

What AAA you want to play? How many FPS and resolution is your target?

Your so called "crap" tech exist for a reason.
If you want more performance you have to pay for it.

And there is room for Kingston UV500 120GB on your spec. Its laughable recommendation.

Ya...40% increase price...

Maybe COD Warzone? I don't really have interest in AAA titles yet, cuz I haven't game for a long time. I am aiming for 60+fps and maybe 1080p or 720p on average games (csgo, Dota, lol, destiny 2)

This is good enough for your usage. For GPU, get NVIDIA 1050ti or AMD RX470/480/570/580 around RM500+, should be able to play 1080p/720p 60 fps with low settings and it fit within your RM 2K+ budget.
If you want to play in higher details or more demanding AAA games, you need to get more expensive hardware. You get what you pay for.

Btw, I am using Kingston A400 dram-less "crap" SSD since last year and encounter no problem at all. It boot and load much more faster than normal HDD and I have no complaint of it's performance with what I pay for it.

Items Price (RM)
Asrock B450M Pro4 318
Adata DDR4 2666 4Gb X2 163
Apacer AS340 SSD 120GB 99.88
Tecware Forge M 139
Seagate 1TB 169
FSP Hyper-K 500w 165
Acer EK220Q 285
AMD Ryzen 3 2300X 299
Total 1637.88





This post has been edited by hata_ph: May 25 2020, 08:20 PM

Yup. Its trash.
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=4697732&hl=A400

Have fun with stutters (includes mouse) when it starts to lag. Less reliable and 3 years warranty too.

I don't cry about the price when the hardware is better.

It is ok since the money is not coming out from your pocket.

Let TS decide what to buy since it is his own money.

LOL. I got a lot of SSDs. Money already out.

Yes, the cons of DRAMless and user experience already pointed out. Its up to him.

1. I can't seem to find anyone selling 2300x, where can I find them? Do you have any recommendations?

2. What are you thoughts on 2nd hand/ refurbished parts? I've found some refurbished GPU on shoppee (mainly rx560 570 580) rx580 8gb ddr5 refurbished selling at rm500. 570 560 selling at around rm300+.

3. Which SSD do you recommend? Are the cheap ones mostly DRAMless?

4. This vid seems to show that 1600 is good, but it's an old cpu, the base clock is low, and it's only Zen, but it can still run most games smoothly. What do you think? https://youtu.be/n8_nFpPgkFQ

5. My parents question my decision on buying a desktop since I would be going to college, they asked me why wouldn't I buy a laptop instead? So do you have any laptop recommendations for daily use and light gaming?

Sorry if I asked too many questions 😅 many thanks

Side note : I am not planning to buy the pc ASAP because new ryzen are coming soon, I would wait for that. And the economy is unstable right now, also PSU are getting less and less.

Can't answer all of the questions; but I'll try:

1. Look for online sellers like Dotatech on Lazada:
https://www.lazada.com.my/products/amd-ryze...554bZcw3PH&mp=1

2. Most refurbished AMD GPUs (like those RX570/580) are likely to be ex-mining (for cryptocurrencies) cards, and they can be a gamble to buy them. Either those cards can last for a long time, or may not. You can't really tell how the cards are being treated during mining, as a lot of them tend to be used/abused depending on how experienced the user is during mining. Usually the experienced will use things like custom BIOS that effectively reduces the voltage and fan speed of the GPU, along with temperature/humidity controlled rooms and a high quality power supply that ensures the longevity of those cards.

3. Yes, most cheap ones tend to be DRAMless, and thus I always recommend referring to this guide:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B27...2gT4/edit#gid=0

Look under the column DRAM, and if the model says 'no' then avoid them at all costs

4. No problem, and in fact if you need more CPU power, you can always upgrade to a newer CPU, provided that you have the correct BIOS for that
Tip: Get a decent B450, rather than a B350/A320, as a B450 is the cheapest ticket for you to upgrade to Zen 3 CPUs in the near future

5. Without a budget it's hard to recommend, however don't expect to get anything much for RM2K

This post has been edited by chocobo7779: May 26 2020, 12:59 PM

1. C-Zone still selling it.
2. Many mining cards on sale. Its risky.
3. Kingston UV500 120GB. Yes, avoid DRAMless at all cost. chocobo already showed you the list.
4. Yes, 6 core 12 threads. Lower clock speed. Its up to you.
5. Super budget laptop not built for games. Especially when you have Destiny 2 and CoD in mind.

And the wait may give you different spec.

This post has been edited by TristanX: May 26 2020, 01:55 PM

Shouldn't I be aiming for a core with better base clock even with less core/thread? Also zen technology seems old but its still reliable right? The asrock b450m Pro4 is for future proof right?

Well, was hoping that waiting for new drops would make old cores/gpu price drop 😅

Also this daily post quota is annoying

I am using Kingston A400 dram-less SSD and ex mining card RX 480 8GB (cost RM320) since last year and it work great until now for what I pay for it.
I understand the risk and i also understand the value I get from it too.

With RM 2K budget, your option are limited for the games you want to play. Sacrifice have to be made.
Btw, do not hope any big price drop for old tech unless you go for used parts.

This post has been edited by hata_ph: May 26 2020, 05:37 PM