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post Mar 29 2021, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(tsutsugami86 @ Mar 29 2021, 11:45 AM)
I feel sad to TNG, launch new product also get scold  biggrin.gif

They didn't cheat us, they already mention the return rate around 1.47 pa, still got many ppl complain the interest is low.

The main purpose for this Go+ is for you to generate interest when you got money in e-wallet. Few sen better than nothing  hmm.gif
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Basic rubbish product as it will fluctuate daily hence for gain of rm0.01 to rm250 deposit basically useless to the point to There too many suckers in the platform to be sucked into it

The key is to demand that they should return at 1.8% at OPR rates otherwise suckers who are into it basically just robbed of the returns of 0.33% for doing basically nothing and just making CIMB richer rclxms.gif
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post Mar 29 2021, 07:15 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 29 2021, 12:48 PM)
only CIMB?? what about other bank's partnered platform?
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Principal just basically smoke and mirrors to CIMB

If you’re comparing to Versa itself better liquidity with better rate of returns with 0% expense ratio while Go is just basically 0.33% go out the drain for consumers

Hence consumer awareness and education are important because when there’s no demand they will most likely have to raise the rate of return in order to attract new funds into it with the current climate
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post Apr 1 2021, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(Icon01 @ Apr 1 2021, 02:27 PM)
Newbie here. I am starting to notice there are many players now for MMF. So far which are the better choice below; in your opinion. Also, are there more options available besides the 3 I've named?

1. StashAway Simple
2. Versa
3. TnG GO+
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Breakdown on terms in daily returns, Versa beats them hands down with RM1 returns is RM0.0009 while GO+ is the lowest at RM0.0004

SA simple forget about because the underlying fund is lousy coupled with slow redemption. You will be better off with projected Versa returns this year and better flexibility in withdrawals as it only takes 1 business day to received the money
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post Apr 1 2021, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(ChessRook @ Apr 1 2021, 03:47 PM)
I thought SA simple and versa has the same projected 2.4% pa? Did i miss something?
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Projected returns doesn’t means guaranteed returns for YTD as the projected as based on 2020 returns

Current projected rate for Versa is 3.0% pa for the month of March while last February was the highest at 3.1%

MMF are flexible returns hence you need to track every 2 weeks to see your returns are better or not because the impact of fund movements will have impact on the returns which is why Versa if the trend is following Q1 for the next 3 quarters you will be probably see the returns for 2021 as high as 3.25% while as low as 2.65%

Don’t look at too much projected returns are most of the rubbish just look every quarter or YTD for better analysis
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post Apr 2 2021, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(Icon01 @ Apr 2 2021, 12:31 PM)
Just wondering how does it work and how Versa gains better than StashAway. From what I read on their respective website.

Versa's interest is 2.46% minus 0.30% Management Fee and 0.05% Trustee Fee = 2.11%

Whereas, StashAway interest is 2.4% minus 0.165% Management Fee = 2.23%
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Versa 2.46% in 2020 is after minus the management and trustee which the actual returns in 2020 was at 2.7% before OPR was dropped hence which is they are still able to return that amount

When you invest MMF pls don’t look a thing 1yr as it misleading most of the time because if 1 to 6 months timeframe because it short term gains not for long term yield

QUOTE(DragonReine @ Apr 2 2021, 01:04 PM)
Don't read Versa and StashAway's projected rates. They're predictions that look nice to attract customers. The real tracking is following the underlying funds HWAEDEP and PRUISIN, you can follow on sites like MorningStar.  Study the 1M, 3M, YTD and 1Y returns, look at the portfolio, and you can make a more educated guess on the actual returns.

PRUISIN (StashAway Simple): https://my.morningstar.com/my/report/fund/p...px?t=0P0000GEZP

HWAEDEP (Versa):
https://my.morningstar.com/my/report/fund/p...px?t=0P00008ME1

PRUISIN's heavier weight in deposits is most likely going to bite the fund's earnings unless low interest environment improves abruptly in later half of the year
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Yeah, YTD and 3mths are my benchmark in terms of returns but looking after q1 performance seems like Simple going to below 2 for this year for sure while Versa should be able return 2.3% unless rate hike which should push it to 2.7%

PRUISIN the problem the Shariah rating hence returns are should be 0.3% lower than Versa which is not surprising

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post Apr 2 2021, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(blackchides @ Apr 2 2021, 04:43 PM)
Agreed with the above. I'm only using Simple for simplicity in transferring into their main Stashaway ETF portfolios. Park lump sum into Simple to DCA and forget. Could do it manually but too lazy for that small diff in %.

But otherwise, Versa is main MMF for me.

Where were all these low-barrier money management/investment platforms all those years ago? All the youngsters coming in now have it good lol.
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Not really because in high interest environment most will use short term FDs which is still high at 0.5% per month while MMF in those days were 0.2% per month

But now in low interest environment MMF is only good for short term because you will hold to wait opportunity

QUOTE(DragonReine @ Apr 2 2021, 05:13 PM)
I'm not sure GO+ is linked to which MMF, Principal e-Cash Fund got Class A and Class B, so can't get comprehensive data.
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Should be class A but with go is rubbish because the underlying fund price is RM1 while returns fluctuating the range of 1.35 to 1.6 which ridiculously useless as their rates is just minus 0.33% on average over OPR
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post Apr 6 2021, 07:45 AM

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QUOTE(dummies @ Apr 5 2021, 10:17 PM)
since Versa is buying fund from affin hwang enchanced deposit fund, what are the differences here if I buy the fund directly from affin hwang enchanced deposit fund instead of going through versa?

can i assume both versa and affin hwang enchanced deposit fund offer the SAME return and also both charge the same expense in term of management fees and trustee fees?

i do know affin hwang enhanced deposit fund incur higher initial deposit but that is not my main concern here, i am more interested in the return

Other than affin hwang enhanced deposit fund, which other fund house in malaysia that offers the highest MMF return?  I heard about public bank e-cash deposit fund that is used to  offer 3% per annum but not sure it is still true now.
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Versa only advantage is faster withdrawal which is next business day while everything else including returns are the same

Public Bank still Pecef but don’t expect stellar returns from them now as they are known for rubbish returns while locking up ppl’s money you be better off buying their share or Lonpac if you are keen to hold long and dividends return
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post Apr 7 2021, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(cr7jyej @ Apr 7 2021, 04:49 PM)
Just to win the grand prize really crazy how much deposit you need to put to be the highest

No point wasting time just to win the earbuds doh.gif
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post Apr 9 2021, 03:05 AM

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QUOTE(DragonReine @ Apr 9 2021, 12:49 AM)
After fees the projected rate 2021 is something like 2.15 to 2.2%, based on my speculation and the 1M/3M/YTD performance. 2.45% is 2020's final rate after fees
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Your projection not too far off from mine after Q1 I calculated the final projection would be around 2.18% for this year

QUOTE(DragonReine @ Apr 9 2021, 01:02 AM)
FSM does this too. It's part of country's measures to prevent money laundering and opening of mule accounts. Registered fintech and financial entities all have to do this.
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Basically the set questions are set by SC as part of eKYC minimum requirements for digital MMF as part of their risk management
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post Apr 13 2021, 12:54 AM

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QUOTE(DragonReine @ Apr 13 2021, 12:42 AM)
Never used RPlus, sus AF 😅 I don't trust their security protocol when submitting personal info. Applied Versa standalone without through 3rd party.
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Direct would the data would be available to Versa only even AHAM have no access to it as it is a separate portfolio

QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Apr 13 2021, 12:45 AM)
that's the price to pay for some gifts. haha
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Free gifts entice to sell your data to marketing agency hence RP is pure marketing agency which will cross sell to all its clients rclxms.gif
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post Apr 14 2021, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(shawnme @ Apr 14 2021, 05:56 PM)
Just a thought, new to versa or the whole mmf thing.

Since it takes Versa 2 business days to process deposit, there will be no interest for these days? (not overnight interest since not weekends)

Too difficult to explain by words, use example :

Mon - deposit 9am (processing)
Tue - processing
Wed - balance shown -> withdraw 9am
Thu - received in bank

So in the scenario above, there would be zero earnings?
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Yes there would be earnings but unless the investment it is small you wouldn’t see any returns

For your case because you have withdraw before earning cutoff hence no interest being given on your returns

You should withdraw on Thursday before 12pm instead to see daily interest of rm0.0009 to RM1
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post Apr 14 2021, 07:31 PM

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QUOTE(shawnme @ Apr 14 2021, 06:42 PM)
Thank you for the clarification.

So in example, it means :

Mon - deposit @ 9am (processing)
Tue - processing
Wed - balance shown
Thu - withdraw @ 9am
Fri - receive in bank

Total earnings = 1 day interest only

Is this correct?
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Interest only Tuesday and Wednesday as Monday is the deposit to be converted in the funds after 12pm
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post Apr 14 2021, 09:45 PM

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QUOTE(shawnme @ Apr 14 2021, 07:58 PM)
HI, thanks... I want to know the minimal amount of days needed for deposit to get 1 day interest prior to withdrawal.

I was just wondering which are the days that interest will be accrued, but now I'm a little confused. A few post earlier, I understand that 'processing' status does not accrue interest. Hence, in the scenario below, no interest will be accrued.

However, based your explanation, in this new example below, there will be 1 day (Tuesday) interest accrued.
Mon - deposit 9am (processing)
Tue - processing
Wed - balance shown -> withdraw 9am
Thu - received in bank

Total earnings = 1 day interest

*besides, since it's payout every fortnight, I can't experiment like I do with Go+
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Tuesday will be interest accrued because adjusted buying price from Monday not on Tuesday

Payout it is every fortnight because they adjust the price and added more units as bonus

If you want better liquidity yet earning interest better off going with Frank because GO+ is rubbish earnings lower than OPR rate
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post Apr 15 2021, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(shawnme @ Apr 15 2021, 10:16 AM)
Versa:
Seems like overnight interest is given even on weekdays.

So judging from the return amount of RM 0.04 for RM 1000 deposit, by calculation, it's ~1.46% for that day.

Is that correct?

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Your overnight interest is only 0.4% while dividends are yet to be payout by this weekend and it’s 0.18% estimated

So your returns this week based on the deposit is only 0.58% in total
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post Apr 15 2021, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(tsutsugami86 @ Apr 15 2021, 10:50 AM)
RM 0.04 / RM 1000 not 0.004% ?
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Sorry my bad doh.gif

Yes it is 0.004% per deposit of more than rm100 plus 0.126% every fortnight

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post Apr 15 2021, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(shawnme @ Apr 15 2021, 11:16 AM)
Oh, I'm seeing some say "plus something" every fortnight..

Do you mean that this "overnight interest" is like a bonus on top of that day's interest? Or just a goodwill from versa since that day will not accrue actual interest?
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Overnight interest is to compensate 1day delay in processing during weekdays and 2 days during weekend

It’s not a bonus just accrued dividends/bonus to be payout after adjusted units every fortnight

Don’t compare GO+ because it is a fund that invest MMF at a fixed rate of RM1 and the returns are calculated by OPR-Expense Ratio at base rate of 1.35% pa daily

Anything above is because more deposit than withdrawals hence they are able to give you bonus which is not daily by the way as their base rate of return is RM0.0004 per RM10 invested which is a total 1.35 to 1.6% range

Versa is good for deposit after Friday 12pm and withdraw by Thursday only to received by next Friday 7pm but you only can do it during non payout weekends otherwise lose the adjusted bonus units
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QUOTE(shawnme @ Apr 15 2021, 10:58 AM)
Wow.. I'm lost.. Still learning to calculate..

Based on my experiment,

For Go+, I would've gotten RM 0.04 for RM 1000 deposit as well, for the day @ 1.47%p.a.

*I'm not saying which is better, just learning Versa. I'm just using Go+ as reference because I find it straightforward (Amount x %p.a. = payout per day). So I'm using it as reference to understand Versa.
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But if you were put rm1000 with liquidity, flexibility and compounding Frank will lead

It is all the difference in earnings/payout/interests

Frank will save you time and money because you don’t have to reload and Fpx which waste of time for such a small returns
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post Apr 16 2021, 03:10 AM

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QUOTE(tsutsugami86 @ Apr 15 2021, 09:29 PM)
Ya, I like Frank because it easy, don't need do spend and invest to earn interest.  1.8% pa is OK for me.
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As long as Frank is giving OPR rates at its current offerings it is a good to park for cashflow

Better if they give higher rates rclxms.gif
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post Apr 16 2021, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(shawnme @ Apr 16 2021, 08:48 AM)
You're right I guess. I don't know how unit trust dividends work.

Sorry is I asked a stupid question.

Let me try to rephrase if it makes a difference.

Versa:
I'm thinking it's a good time to deposit fresh funds today, since Nav may be lower. Also, I foresee that I will withdraw this fund in the near future, likely 3 weeks +/-

But is it better to do it before cut off? (possible book today's Nav)

Or after cut off? (to get overnight interest for weekends and possibly Nav for Monday)
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It is not lower but adjusted to base unit rate of 1.17 iinm

Why bother asking as you have already answer own question doh.gif
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post Apr 18 2021, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(shawnme @ Apr 18 2021, 12:28 PM)
For Versa:
Based on the latest payout, my current final balance is RM 1000.20 after the recent payout and unit adjustments.

So from the dates in the attached image below, how to do calculate number of days since deposit till payout? In other words, how many days was taken into account, so that the total gains was RM 0.20?

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The reason is I want to know how to calculate versa, so that I am clear on what's going on, say the current %p.a, in order to be able to compare with other avenues.

Thanks ahead.
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Already stated clearly on 13 at buying price at 1.1723

So now you divide the final amount with units and it will give you the current price

Then you deduct current price minus buying price divide by percentage

Why bother to calculate such amount as it gives you rm0.00009 to every RM1 daily

Don’t bother such a small amount and put your money into actual investments like FSMone, StashAway, Akru doh.gif

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