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 E6x50 overclocking warning, Possible wrong core temperature reading!

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post Jul 31 2007, 07:29 PM

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QUOTE(AceCombat @ Jul 31 2007, 07:20 PM)
well anway,orthos for more than 3 hours and the heat sink is totally cool sweat.gif no heat at all at the sink there.

yup,using core temp 0.94 and speed fan showing the same temp with core temp.
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So, idle temp is 19'c and load is 26'c? Impossible!!! What's was the ambient temperature?

Something is definitely not right. Is the stock heatsink seated properly? Even now on my stock heatsink doing 2x single-client orthos at 3.2Ghz at 1.35v, the heatsink feels slightly warm and Easytuner5 shows core temp of 47'c. If I run orthos, the core temp will go up to 55'c and the heatsink will feel hot.....
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post Aug 1 2007, 09:01 AM

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installed the E6850...
run the OCCT at 3.6G@1.45v/1.44vdroop...
i have 3 temp reading software running: EasyTuner5, CoreTemp and Speedfan as per pic attached. dunno whether can believe or not the reading but seems valid enuff. btw, my E6850 has the Tjunction of 85c not 100c like other guys
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post Aug 1 2007, 09:35 AM

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just my thought :
higher FSB + lower multiplier + maintain processor speed = lower operational temperature
but definately not below room temperature doh.gif

ADD :
my experience is when you open multiple temperature reading software , some will actually affecting each others' value .
better open one by one .

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post Aug 1 2007, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Aug 1 2007, 09:35 AM)
just my thought :
higher FSB + lower multiplier + maintain processor speed = lower operational temperature
but definately not below room temperature doh.gif

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my experience is when you open multiple temperature reading software , some will actually affecting each others' value .
better open one by one .
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already did that...got the same reading for CoreTemp and Speedfan --> kinda funny temps. then i opened all three. the CPU temp is reported the same for Speedfan and Easytune...but the Core0 and Core 1 temp is really ridiculous...really really hope somebody comes up with the apps to support the E6x50...
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post Aug 1 2007, 01:52 PM

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I wonder if Q6600 G0 stepping will gone the same temperature reading problem. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(remysix @ Aug 1 2007, 09:01 AM)
installed the E6850...
run the OCCT at 3.6G@1.45v/1.44vdroop...
i have 3 temp reading software running: EasyTuner5, CoreTemp and Speedfan as per pic attached. dunno whether can believe or not the reading but seems valid enuff. btw, my E6850 has the Tjunction of 85c not 100c like other guys
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That's exactly what my rig is showing. Easytuner5 showing 6'c higher than core0/1, like yours. Speedfan also exactly the same readings (6'c difference). If you use Intel's TAT, it will also show 6'c lower.....

For now, I'm just using Easytuner's CPU temp to gauge my core temperature.

Remember that current apps still do not officially support Intel's new E6x50 series as they were written prior to the introduction of these new CPUs. As such, nobody yet knows what is the Tjunction of the E6x50 series. For all we know, it could still be 85'c!!!

However, I think the Tjunction for these new proc are higher due to their higher thermal specification (Maximum case temperature). See below - compare E6700 and E6750, which are exactly the same proc except for steppings and FSB.

QUOTE(layerXT @ Aug 1 2007, 01:52 PM)
I wonder if Q6600 G0 stepping will gone the same temperature reading problem. hmm.gif
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Same thing with the Q6600 G0 stepping. They are supposed to have a Tjunction of 100'c instead of 85'c. That's what I understand from the hyperlinks in the 1st post......

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QUOTE(layerXT @ Aug 1 2007, 01:52 PM)
I wonder if Q6600 G0 stepping will gone the same temperature reading problem. hmm.gif
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it is due to G0 stepping or 1333Mhz proc?
anyone with Q6600 with G0 stepping, pls reportn in...

my Q6600 is showing Tjunction of 100c and the the VID is 1.275v...sweet...but it's not G0...it's B3 though

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post Aug 1 2007, 06:12 PM

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For B3 stepping should have no problem though.
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QUOTE(remysix @ Aug 1 2007, 05:35 PM)
it is due to G0 stepping or 1333Mhz proc?
anyone with Q6600 with G0 stepping, pls reportn in...

my Q6600 is showing Tjunction of 100c and the the VID is 1.275v...sweet...but it's not G0...it's B3 though
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Q6600 is 266FSB proc... tat's y... sweat.gif
seems like G0 is a reject to all OC'ers... blink.gif Thank god i didn't get E6750 which i almost got... i'll be playing wif Conroe-L while waiting for Penryn... whistling.gif
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QUOTE(t3chn0m4nc3r @ Aug 1 2007, 07:42 PM)
seems like G0 is a reject to all OC'ers... blink.gif  Thank god i didn't get E6750 which i almost got... i'll be playing wif Conroe-L while waiting for Penryn... whistling.gif
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blink.gif blink.gif Care to provide some links on that statement? The E6750 has a thermal specification of 72'c as compared to the 6700 which is only 60'c la sweat.gif
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post Aug 1 2007, 08:14 PM

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Anyway, it should be saved for 1.5V on good air cooling and below 3.5GHz should be ok for 24/7 operation. And again need a good mobo, ram and psu.
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i just bought my E6750 OCed 3.06Ghz with avarage temp. 53C and full load 60C

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QUOTE(Mr.Lonely @ Aug 1 2007, 09:48 PM)
i just bought my E6750 OCed 3.06Ghz with avarage temp. 53C and full load 60C
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Close casing? What software are you using to monitor the core temp? What's your vcore?

Here's what I managed to do so far (my rig no casing):
Orthos stable at 3280Mhz at stock vcore (1.35v) but core temp goes up to 55'c (stock heatsink)
Orthos fail at 3320Mhz at stock
If vcore 1.40v, core temp goes up to 60'c - too high for me!!!

Still awaiting gigabyte to reply my email though....
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Jul 30 2007, 08:44 AM)
Think about it. The only difference between E6750 and E6700 is the FSB speed (1333Mhz vs 1066Mhz) and stepping (G0 vs B2). Other than that, both are exactly the same especially the TDP and 65nm manufacturing process.

As such, how can the E6750 be so much cooler on stock heatsink as compared to the E6700?  rclxub.gif

However, if you look at their specs, apparent the thermal specification for both are also different. E6750 is at 72'c while the E6700 is at 60.1'c (See table below)

This is Intel's definition of thermal specification "Thermal Specification:  The thermal specification shown is the maximum case temperature at the maximum Thermal Design Power (TDP) value for that processor. It is measured at the geometric center on the topside of the processor integrated heat spreader. For processors without integrated heat spreaders such as mobile processors, the thermal specification is referred to as the junction temperature (Tj). The maximum junction temperature is defined by an activation of the processor Intel(R) Thermal Monitor. The Intel Thermal Monitor's automatic mode is used to indicate that the maximum TJ has been reached"

Anybody care to explain what thermal specification means in the OC world?

Added : Comparison table - look especially at the thermal specification (maximum case temperature) of E6750 vs 6700  smile.gif
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refer to the thermal specification, there is 1 column called Maximum case temperature. These are the temperature value that the thermal protection circuit will start to run if the case temperature reach that value. Once the circuit running, you will get the performance penalty.



QUOTE(layerXT @ Jul 30 2007, 12:17 PM)
So how if we oc the cpu and not reach the max case temperature? It should be safe right?(Not sure bout the core temp though)
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it should be, theoreticly. Avoid these operating value as thermal protection circuit will operate if you reach that value, this will slowing down your processor and also reducing the voltage of your cpu (depending on cpu type)
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post Aug 2 2007, 12:11 AM

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U mean throttling? If u can control the heat its ok. thumbup.gif
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post Aug 2 2007, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(t3chn0m4nc3r @ Aug 1 2007, 07:42 PM)
Q6600 is 266FSB proc... tat's y... sweat.gif
seems like G0 is a reject to all OC'ers... blink.gif  Thank god i didn't get E6750 which i almost got... i'll be playing wif Conroe-L while waiting for Penryn... whistling.gif
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i dun think G0 is 'a reject to all OC'ers'...the problem is that current apps cannot correctly detect the coretemp...in terms of oc wise, so far it's quite good...running my E6850 at 3.6G wif 1.44vdroop...so, for daily usage, i'm satisfied wif it...
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priming my e6850 at 3.6G with 1.41vcore. pencil mod done. will continue to lower the vcore until system unstable. then that would be my daily use setting.
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QUOTE(remysix @ Aug 2 2007, 10:20 AM)
i dun think G0 is 'a reject to all OC'ers'...the problem is that current apps cannot correctly detect the coretemp...in terms of oc wise, so far it's quite good...running my E6850 at 3.6G wif 1.44vdroop...so, for daily usage, i'm satisfied wif it...
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Ya lo. Simply say oni. Anyway, a new review (in anandtech or xbitlabs) showed that the E6750 can run at a stunning 4.1Ghz (I think, can't remember, working now.... but still can loyer loyer in LYN!!!)

I believe the incorrect temperature is only temporary. As soon as 3rd party softwares supports the E6x50 series, I'm sure the softwares will give a proper core temp.... smile.gif

IINM, the E6850 can do 3.6g at stock vcore, can't it?

QUOTE(VT-Ten @ Aug 2 2007, 10:31 AM)
priming my e6850 at 3.6G with 1.41vcore. pencil mod done. will continue to lower the vcore until system unstable. then that would be my daily use setting.
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What type of pencil mod did you do? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Aug 2 2007, 11:03 AM)


What type of pencil mod did you do? hmm.gif
i guess he change the FSB speed from 333 to 400, by doing some modification at BSEL pin on cpu

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QUOTE(LohMaiGai @ Aug 2 2007, 11:22 AM)
i guess he change the FSB speed from 333 to 400, by doing some modification at BSEL pin on cpu
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or izzit the vdroop mod since he was mentioning about vcore...
but that 3.6g with that vcore is sweet...drop it summore bro rclxms.gif

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