then what is the purpose of the moderators and other high level members. And what is the purpose of the management ?
I m sure, LYN have a management team or something to discuss and decide on these kind of cases.

to zyrl, better u read from the first page my friend, thanks for all comments and ideas

This post has been edited by ad_rv4: Jul 31 2007, 09:58 AM

hehe..... haven't seen any of the WITNESS that the seller said reply in this thread... where are them?? i wonder...

well like i say both solution no fair for both parties coz we dont know who is right who is wrong...

if the seller win this case by changing the skin only (confirm wont void the warranty) and split the cost to 50/50 (only apply to ST/TE/mod i can see coz if normal user will be CALL CON MAN~ and ask for full refund instead)

then any ST/TE can buy 2nd crack/scratches HP then sell as 95% under half of the price then sell it with 95% high profit juz only need to replace the casing..

if the buyer win this case by refunding from the seller (of coz complain need to do by the day he receive the item) not after 1 month he accidentally drop it

then any buyer can buy a 2nd HP testing for like around 1 week, since there will be lots of talks for around this period before he return to the seller for refund... nice way also to try all sorts of HP every week or 2

yes, i've read from first page till now, and i posted wat i wan. is there a problem with my posting?

look at my sign, use ur common sense but i really respect ur comment!

ad_rv4, is the phone working 100% fine? As in, the screen works, the apps work, the phone call dial out and receive calls, the speakers and mics are loud and clear, etc?

don't u understand that, the buyer is asking for full refund because he felt that the seller have cheated him by hiding the major scratch. Who will not get mad, if the item that has been claimed as 95% scratch less received with a big scratch.

Of course the PDA can be skinned, but the buyer bought it in the intention of, it is still new coz was used only for few months. Just imagine how it has been handled if the skin has that kind of scratch and has to be changed.

^ Refer to RangerRed post...

i will answers ur questions after i get answers from u first, do u agreed that the seller cheated me to sell his PDA??????

It might work fine for few months and start to show the real color.

ad_rv4,

Be more common sense lar. It's getting my nerve as you are the one being childish.

Does putting extra protection means he did it? Let's try if you send me an LCD, you nicely put everything in box and add some bubles for extra protection. So When I received the LCD, and I feel don't like and and purposely broke the LCD and ask you for refund.

Got what I mean Kiddie?

There's only a solution for this case, either you accept viking 50/50 losses for exchange the housing or you alone bare all the cost. Whether u accept or not, this is not a dispute case at all. It's just a whining from a small kid like you.

Do that mean if the phone working perfectly and the outer part is spoil and as a buyer, he should just keep him mouth shut and accept the piece of junk he receive ? Will it be fair to him ?
Your question are siding seller now

that is few months later and it is not regarding this matter. When that matter surfaced, he can always open a thread here AGAIN or send for warranty claim with ASUS as from today which he has 11 months left.

Actually the solution is up to ad_rv4 to accept it or reject it. You can't force him to accept and the most important thing you're no one here to scold him like that .

This post has been edited by KTCY: Jul 31 2007, 10:30 AM

hey man, u r just like the viking. u r here to support a conman. i m sure. this is soo obvious. lcd and pda got different.
ok. don't talk rubbish. this case is sooo clear where the seller hides the scratch. wht else u need ?

this is not a matter of siding the seller or not. it is the matter of full refund. based on my understanding, a full refund is done when the item sold is faulty or fakefrom what the seller is saying he is selling.

from my POV, the item is working fine and functional as wat viking said.

@selvalives: from the first page until now, clearly viking has said he is not aware of that dent or watchamacallit. he is also surprise "lets not get touchy on this authenticity".

he never had the intention to cover the 'thing'. it a 'so-happen-my-thumb-covered-it'

This post has been edited by zyrl: Jul 31 2007, 10:34 AM

i dun mind to bare all the cost, better look at the first page friend..what im doing now not for me only, its for ur kids.. lowyat kids

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Added on July 31, 2007, 10:33 am

this case is sooo clear where the seller hides the scratch

why others dont notice this???


This post has been edited by ad_rv4: Jul 31 2007, 10:33 AM

i know that bro. but do u expect a 3 months phone to have problem. I know it could have but what is the chances ?
and i m sure the buyer bought it because it is still new and could have less problems or no problems at all. now from the scratch, it could have problem most probably. Lets compare the chances bro. If your are the buyer and u have spent 1.2k for a pda which was used for 3 months, do u expect problem in few months. and do you know the hassle of sending it to the manufacturer. I M SURE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE WILL NOT EXPECT.



This post has been edited by selvalives: Jul 31 2007, 10:42 AM

ad_rv4, nope.... instead of contacting him and asking him to foot the bill for a new casing you come screaming like a little girl throw a tantrum.

You basis for a full refund is edge wear and tear on the PDA. Which happens from all accounts of your posts seems to be working perfectly fine except for that. Hell, even the screen looks scratches and there is no comments from about it.

So, you expect vikingw2k to refund you the whole phone on something that? Hell, why not? I mean let's do it!!! Everyone here, that is not satisfied with the item you bought just scream that the wearing on it is not the same as discribed in the sales thread, send back your stuff and ask for full refunds!!

Why, I think I'll do that too!! I mean I just got my Samsung T9 from soft_hack. There is some very light scratches on the screen which can't be seen when the screen is on but only when it is off and using full daylight. But no thats my a prob... my prob is a peeve that the T9 cannot be 'safely removed' using the Samsung media software or winxp usb 'safely remove' function. But it's ok the T9 can stll be removed safely just by checking the screen and seeing is there any data transferring or not. soft_hack send my money back now!!!!

So vikingw2k may have made an error in judgement but it was not done purposedly as you can see one of the pictures does show wear and tear in it.

So we still come back to the problem that the casing which is replaceable has unacceptable wearing on it. The phone works fine since you didn't make a fuss about it. vikingw2k, offers to settle situation with a 50-50 cost sharing for the casing. Instead of nego for a better rate for yourself you still b**** some more.

Grow the hell up.

@selvalives As the chinese saying, how much u spend is how much u get. If u scared that u spend RM1.2k on a 2nd hand HP, den please... by all means go buy a new phone.

everything in this world has risk. u wan to take the risk to buy a 2nd hand hp, u have to bear the risk.

if every seller were to give confirmation stating that their 2nd hand item wun spoil, then what is the use for warranty?

the way u are saying that @buyer shud refund the phone because u, selvalives foresee a problem which u dunno will happen in future or not.

unless there is a concrete proof that the dent (from this case) is going to make the PDA spoil eventually in near future, i dont think this discussion regarding whether 3 months later the PDA will spoil should continue



This post has been edited by zyrl: Jul 31 2007, 10:44 AM