You get my vote for the ad.

hmm... agreed. I even buzz around regarding this Streamyx issue and some ppl (politician) fight against me.

if that is the case, let us blast emails to everyone that we know about how bad the service is. Spread the words guys. And after that? The cheapest broadband in Malaysia is still Streamyx .

Lai get it to work. Someone design the ad?

I have to agree with this, there's a time when you can and can't say something in this country. As this being on a national scale with huge impact, and the agencies involved including the higher powers are here as well. I am for improvement and all, but this isn't a way to go about with it, as it won't bring any good outcomes in the end.

I like some of the ideas in Redesign Malaysia. Its a good proper channel for stuff to work. Humiliate one and they will always strike back with venom.

But it would be funny if we had a full page on the news paper...

Remember that memorable one where at the back of the newspaper all in black with the football logo and it had RIP.

Now that really took your attention heh.

ya...works nicer with the coming pilihan+raya....

now thats a dam good idea....

let's not talk only, go for it!

http://www.petitiononline.com/bbb4my/petition.html

Can anyone tell me how old this petition is and if it has been submitted to the media? I couldn't find any mention of it anywhere.

I was considering setting up a new petition. Two reasons to do so:

- have a "support for protest" to get media coverage (it is much easier to get the press to write on TM issues if we have thousands of people backing a complain, instead of just one person making noise)
- estimate the financial viability of a newspaper ad.

Another thought on the ad: it can be the petition itself, or we can build an ad around the petition (i.e. "10000 people have expressed their concerns about TM Net poor service. We, the undersigned, no longer want promises, we demand actions." That can be followed by all the petition signatures ala Firefox ad in the Times -or not if you guys don't want it-, concise bullet list of major issues with the service).

Anyone willing to help, please pm me. thanks.

Here's an idea, Google Websense ads.

If you do your research carefully, and write:



This is not defamation and you cannot lose in court.

It is is very important to use facts, to stay away from subjective language, to be crystal clear in what you are describing, how you know it is true, and why it is unacceptable. Not only does it protect you from libel suit, but it makes a persuasive case that TMnet cannot possibly rebut.

honestly, here too many TM spies... i would love to see this happen, but im highly skeptical

after 3 pages, they only know how to talk. do they have enough testicular fortitude for action or they only know how to talk themselves to death?

Agree, have they ever consider that the opposition might sue them for misleading, brand damaging and etc?

IMO, You need qualified, certified professional to prove you are right in each statement you claim.

I find it funny that the ones who complains nothing has yet been done are the same who haven't done anything so far.

Going down the road takes time, especially if we want it to be a success. Sorry to deceive you, but I'm not going to rush things and jeopardize this initiative as a result.

Once again, I want to make it clear: there won't be any defaming information published. We'll keep it to facts, we won't draw any conclusion either, but raise questions. Read again my previous posts if you want to know more.

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Added on July 30, 2007, 10:46 pmThat's a very good idea. I like how the problem is layed out, it's concise and clear. The only drawback I see, would be to perform such a survey. To generate these statistics, we must use the same methodology for each sample, which pretty much means we need deploy tools and human resource over the sampled area. Or... we need guinea-pigs and a good set of instructions

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Added on July 31, 2007, 11:46 pmAnyone willing to help, please PM me so that I start a workgroup and add you to it.

First tasks will be to launch a petition to measure TM Net unpopularity, list grievances, gauge financial viability of the ad, and come up with design and copy writing drafts for it.

This post has been edited by Ced: Jul 31 2007, 11:46 PM

Typical Malaysian mentality...

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Added on August 4, 2007, 10:21 amI'm just wondering, the last time I heard of Redesign Malaysia was in a computer magazine. Even when it appeared in the newspaper, it appeared in InTech section of TheStar. I was just wondering, of all the time it existed, what is its impact and what are its accomplishments?

This post has been edited by coyouth: Aug 4 2007, 10:21 AM

redesign malaysia is good. There are many from lowyat forums. Impact alot. accomplishments alot. Knowledge given also alot.
best to see foryourself. head on over to their website. This is lowyat's forum. u wont get much info from here as u get over there. I always believe if you wanna know something bout someone, juz ask that someone instead of going elsewhere to ask.
Its like asking a honda showroom saleperson bout a toyota car.

Althought I like and support redesign malaysia efforts, their initiatives are not comparable. From what I can grasp from their website (I'm no insider), their efforts are mostly directed to internet access in malaysia as a whole. They keep people up to the date with fresh news, list ISPs, have a nice service coverage map, present problems encountered with some ISPs and... well, that's pretty much all they do (or they fail to communicate about their other initiatives).

Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing them in any way. But their efforts are pretty limited when it comes to port the debate outside of the internet. To me, they are only listing problems and giving some advices. We need to go further and bring the problems to the masses, to the general public. Get more media coverage, launch initiatives that demands action from the relevant parties (ISPs, government, etc.). So far, all we got are promises, and that's the heart of the problem.

I haven't seen any list of grievances, any clear manifestation from subscribers to stand for their rights. All I can find is isolated people complaining about ISP, mostly as rants. That's not going to help, unfortunately. If we want things to change, there is only one way to succeed: we need to unite, to join our forces and speak as one.

I proposed one initiative. Some people liked it, others didn't. Well, that's not the most important, we're not tight to a specific action if it doesn't attract a compromise between us. However, it's high time to do something, build the foundation for further actions and get our rights respected.

What I propose to do is:

- first create an association (speaking as an association will give us much more credibility -being more realistic, it'll start as a group, but we should aim to make it an official association)
- limit this association/group to a specific target/problem (we can expand later as we grow). I think limiting it to TM Net is a good start.
- get affected people to join the association as a member.
- list, in the form of a petition, all affected persons, _as well as_ their grievances (that's very important)
- send out press release about the petition to all media (press, radio, television). I've found 2 such petitions so far but none of them were actually sent to the media, they only collected signatures, which is pretty much useless.
- plan actions, such as booth or distribution of brochure during popular events such as the PC Fair.
- and more as we grow.

But one essential thing to remember: if no one wants to join in and help, nothing will happen.

For the ones wondering what happened to that newspaper full-page advertisement proposal, well it's on stand by since no one join in. Can't put up a community initiative if no community is being formed. One person doesn't make a community just by himself.

I for one salute you in coming up with this idea, which I think is a very good one. It brings nationwide exposure, and will be discussed about everywhere simply because it is out of the ordinary, challenging, controversial, and it has the 'stick it to the man' attitude which everyone loves. I salute you for trying to do something instead of just complaining to deaf ears like almost everyone here (me included). I suspect you not being Malaysian has something to do with this

We can see from some of the responses here that there are those who are totally afraid of the gov. They govt will win if everyone has that chickenshid mentality.

I think if this is done right, it will be a win for the Malaysian citizens. With all that said however, I do doubt the Malaysian press will be willing to print the ad, as I know the media here has their balls held to tightly by the govt. Its ridiculous how the govt can just dictate to the press on what they can or cannot print, best example is the recent Najib remark on Malaysia being an Islamic state. Even the letters, sms and feedback column could not print the rakyats view on this matter.

Anyhow, I'm willing to support financially. My salutes to you again

In this case, its not the govt.

TM Group spends a few million a year on print ads. Broadcast ads too, if you include the Media Prima stations. The media groups are not going to accept a few thousand RM worth of your ads and then lose the entire TM business because of one or two insertions of your ads.

Then again, you might wonder who is playing golf with whom.

Ced: Josh here from RedesignMalaysia. Glad that a few of you like what we're doing, much appreciated.

I think we have similiar goals and thoughts in mind,

I first mooted the idea of having a media campaign at the beginning of the year 2007:
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=411558&hl=
http://www.redesignmalaysia.com/2007/01/15...nd-in-malaysia/

I'll love to contribute where I can. In the meantime, I'm using Advertlets for awareness, out of my own expense (you'll see these ads currently running on blogs using the Advertlets.com platform for advertising - yes, I also own Advertlets, but bloggers don't run the ads for free ) See them below:





One of the more recent RedesignMalaysia ads got 460 clicks, in only two days. This was for the "Did you know there are more than 16 different ISPs in Malaysia?"

In fact, we could probably run an "open invitation" ad, <b>where we invite people to donate to buy media, like what you mentioned.</b>

I'll be happy to assist with publicizing the initiative through Advertlets, sponsoring some cash, as well as helping to buy the media (I can get the prices for various media, including newspapers).

However, something we need to think about, as pointed out by the65thsquare - the larger media agencies might not run the ad for obvious reasons. We might need to resort to giving out flyers and stickers. Thinking out of the box, even wearing a T-shirt with some useful info might help. Other media to consider: video screens, posters, Google Adsense, banners that bloggers can put on their site, outdoor media (eg billboards).

Having said that though, even getting this initiative off the ground could resort in some media attention. Imagine the headline "1000 Malaysian Tech Enthusiasts Buy Ad Space To Protest The Lack Of Proper Broadband Facilities". Of course, we need a better title than that, that's too long. Haha.

coyouth: Its been a year since RedesignMalaysia launched, and yes, some people question what its actually doing. We don't have a media budget, but we've managed to get on NTV7 (The Breakfast Show - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptgXooZNg7Q), The Edge (http://readthisurl.com/josh+redesignmalaysia), and of course Surf Magazine and In Tech, and the New Straits Times.

Right now we're focusing on media awareness, and you'll be surprised what our primary channel is - search engines.

http://www.redesignmalaysia.com/presskit/infocard.pdf

Check out the search terms that we are optimized for. Search accounts for a lot of our traffic, and primarily, our aim is to help people who are looking for that kind of information, by existing in the first place. We aim to do some real life campaigning soon, especially since we are coming to the first anniversary of the site (it was launched 31 August 2006). We're also in the process of putting together a detailed manifesto, so all contributions are welcome.

Just so you know, the blogging is done by mainly me, scamboy is also a contributing editor, and the rest of the back end work is handled by my company at my own cost (hiring interns, customizing wordpress, compiling data, etc). There is no funding for this project, and it does cost us quite a bit actually. The ISPs listed in the ISP section are not paying a cent at the moment. Thankfully though, its opened doors for us to meet various ISPs and even government agencies, so hopefully one day one of those discussions will result in something fruitful.

Having said all this though, I started RedesignMalaysia to accomplish a goal - make broadband here better, and I can't do it alone. I propose we all meet up to discuss this further, to see how we can contribute in our various ways. Cheers.