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 Official LYN FIA Formula One World Championship V3, Kimi Raikkonen - 2007 World Champion.

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post Sep 17 2007, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(edison_84 @ Sep 17 2007, 01:15 PM)
Why massa on 2nd engine?
I thought they all will using new engine next GP.
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He retired at monza IIRC, which means he CAN use a new engne for SPA. Wether he use it or not is between the team and the FIA
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post Sep 17 2007, 08:39 PM

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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Sep 17 2007, 05:31 PM)
He retired at monza IIRC, which means he CAN use a new engne for SPA. Wether he use it or not is between the team and the FIA
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If he use new engine mean he will back 10 position at SPA GP right? correct me if im wrong.
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post Sep 17 2007, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE(edison_84 @ Sep 17 2007, 08:39 PM)
If he use new engine mean he will back 10 position at SPA GP right? correct me if im wrong.
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No, he retired due to mechanical failure. Even though its not engine related, as long as the retirement is mechanical failure and not intentional, you can change your engine if you wants to.
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post Sep 18 2007, 01:24 AM

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It's in German tongue.gif

German media ask Mercedes to show Alonso the door
Link ~ http://www.bild.t-online.de

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"Since spring, the champion in charge defended himself about the espionage topic: "I can't say anything about it. I concentrate on driving".
Thursday's hearing in Paris and the hardest punishment in the history of sport ($ 100 million fine, deduction of all constructor points) showed he is a CHEATER, as he was privy [to the espionage]"


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Alonso is a cheater!! a blackmailer!! is this the owner of the WDC??


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post Sep 18 2007, 08:51 AM

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Mosley, though, feels the whole affair has cast a stain over the sport, and that might not sit well with Hamilton should he go on to win the title in his rookie year.

"I think he will probably feel more comfortable if he wins a subsequent championship, which I am sure he will, without any of these question marks," said Mosley.

"There was a big debate in the World Council about whether all the points should go - team and drivers.

"We discussed whether to take the drivers' points from McLaren, but allow the drivers to drive, don't interfere with their super licence and so on.

"The lawyers felt everything should go - drivers points and all - because they argued: how can you give the world champion's cup to someone who may have had an unfair advantage over other drivers?

"They have effectively cheated. But the other side of it was, here is this brilliant world championship between Hamilton and Alonso.

"The sporting people were saying, 'If you interfere with that, you are spoiling a very good championship. It wasn't the drivers' fault.' But there again, it never is.

"Very often, for example, a car will be disqualified from a race because it is a kilo overweight which will probably make no difference at all, but you have to have this principle. It's the same as in athletics or anywhere else, if you're outside of the rules, you are not in the game.

"So there will always be a question mark over it, there has to be, because nobody knows how big an advantage they had from that.

"But that they had an advantage is almost beyond dispute."

-Max Mosley

The McLaren drivers points should go!!! mad.gif

The WMSC don't have the balls to do it as no one will watch the remaining races if it was done.

I'm sure the Ferrari technical data will have detailed info on Bridgestone tyres - tyre pressure, strategy for every race, etc.
This give McLaren an incredible unfair advantage as tyres are 1 of the 3 most important factors in a F1 car.
They don't have to copy Ferrari's data, just learn from it an apply the theory.
But they save lots of time & money on R&D. Even R&D may not give them the same info.

Therefore WMSC will never find direct evidence of Ferrari data in McLaren's car.
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post Sep 18 2007, 09:14 AM

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Prodrive boss in helicopter scare
A crash landing for Dave Richards

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24 hours after former World Rally Champion Colin McRae was killed, Prodrive chief David Richards survived a helicopter crash when returning from the Belgian Grand Prix.

Richards, McRae's former boss at Subaru WRT, was returning to Essex in the UK from Spa Francorchamps with his wife when the helicopter he was piloting suffered a fault.

They crash-landed in a field and the aircraft turned onto its side, but police confirmed that Richards - to take his Banbury-based outfit into Formula One next year - and his wife Karen 'walked out of the wreckage'.

They were treated for shock but unhurt, according to BBC reports.

"David and Colin were great friends and it's an amazing coincidence that this has happened," a Prodrive spokesman said. "We are just thankful he and Karen are okay."


don't die on us before revealing the new car tongue.gif

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post Sep 18 2007, 11:07 AM

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IMO the race at Spa, the front runners battle are kinda boring, the best i would say the battle between BMW vs Heiki. laugh.gif nice driving from heiki btw.

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Aplonso going to Redbull huh?? brows.gif brows.gif

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QUOTE(sqwerk2 @ Sep 18 2007, 11:07 AM)
IMO the race at Spa, the front runners battle are kinda boring, the best i would say the battle between BMW vs Heiki. laugh.gif nice driving from heiki btw.
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Well, Kovalainein was on the heavy fuel tank and Heidfield was on the lighter one, so Heidfield is trying desperately to get pass him.

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not Heidfield la... Kubica
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QUOTE(james2306 @ Sep 18 2007, 11:56 AM)
not Heidfield la... Kubica
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And Kubica too then laugh.gif tongue.gif
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HieldField are damn lonely in the whole race.. he racing himself only...

the gap between BMW n Ferarri/McLaren big.. and Renualt/William gap also big to BMW...
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QUOTE(CoffeeDude @ Sep 18 2007, 08:51 AM)
The McLaren drivers points should go!!!  mad.gif

The WMSC don't have the balls to do it as no one will watch the remaining races if it was done.

I'm sure the Ferrari technical data will have detailed info on Bridgestone tyres - tyre pressure, strategy for every race, etc.
This give McLaren an incredible unfair advantage as tyres are 1 of the 3 most important factors in a F1 car.
They don't have to copy Ferrari's data, just learn from it an apply the theory.
But they save lots of time & money on R&D. Even R&D may not give them the same info.

Therefore WMSC will never find direct evidence of Ferrari data in McLaren's car.
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This year tyre spec is not the same as last year. All teams has been given the chance to test 07 tyres during winter testing.

So if this give Mclaren unfair advantage, then why this is happening ?

2007 season :

Pole : Kimi (3), Massa (5), Alonso (2), Hamilton (4)
Fastest lap : Kimi (5), Massa (5), Alonso (3), Hamilton (1)
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testing the Tyre is one thing.. knowing the weight distribution of the car to the trye is another thing... Ferrari spend time/$$ to find out the weight distribution to suit the tyre, McLaren spend a few email to know about it.. so fair.. laugh.gif laugh.gif so easy.. laugh.gif laugh.gif biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(evoHahn @ Sep 18 2007, 12:12 PM)
This year tyre spec is not the same as last year. All teams has been given the chance to test 07 tyres during winter testing.

So if this give Mclaren unfair advantage, then why this is happening ?

2007 season :

Pole : Kimi (3), Massa (5), Alonso (2), Hamilton (4)
Fastest lap : Kimi (5), Massa (5), Alonso (3), Hamilton (1)
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well.. just coz they stole their data, dosent mean they HAVE TO BE BETTER than Ferrari..
they might have been BMW standard witout the data.. whistling.gif Who Knows...

guys.. the point is, they HAD it! and they USED it.. why cant we end this drama now?

lets move on.. thats what F1 needs... it needs to MOVE on and forget this unfortunate scandal icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(-= Virgil =- @ Sep 18 2007, 11:30 AM)
Well, Kovalainein was on the heavy fuel tank and Heidfield was on the lighter one, so Heidfield is trying desperately to get pass him.
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heidfeld did attacked heiki in the early of the race, which he succeeded. kubica too succeeded but later of the race he was attacking heiki like mad. now that was fun.

QUOTE(BuFung @ Sep 18 2007, 12:00 PM)
HieldField are damn lonely in the whole race.. he racing himself only... 

the gap between BMW n Ferarri/McLaren big..  and Renualt/William gap also big to BMW...
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IMO, BMW's tactics was to gain as much points possible since robert started at P15. maybe that is why BMW opted for the light fuel strategy.
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Sep 18 2007, 12:30 PM)
testing the Tyre is one thing..  knowing the weight distribution of the car to the trye is another thing...  Ferrari spend time/$$ to find out the weight distribution to suit the tyre, McLaren spend a few email to know about it..  so fair..  laugh.gif laugh.gif  so easy..  laugh.gif laugh.gif biggrin.gif
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Bu Fung, Ferrari car is different is not the same lar. Ferrari has a longer wheel base lar.

james, i already wanna rest the issue, but CoffeeDude brought the topic back. dont be mad at me tongue.gif
James, if i have the advantage why not use it? its just plain silly right? If Mclaren gained an advantage, why not use it to the max?

You guys should hear what Damien the Autosport mag when he co-commentating on Star Sport : he said he found nothing strange bout the emails, its kinda emails that go thru everyday in all teams.

Well I wanna put this to rest, but Ferrari fanboys keep whinning and posting as if Mclaren team is so stupid and doesnt know anything bout designing an F1 car. If you all posted this in Ferrari thread, i wouldnt mind one bit. But this is the general F1 thread.

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haihz,dun take it personal, evohahn, ppl juz never listen, if u fanboys still wanna debate about the spying scandal issues, pls do it at the team's respective thread, or there is another thread about this case specifically......
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I posted this in the Mclaren thread

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As you can see, every team tries to improved their cars from the season before.


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QUOTE(sqwerk2 @ Sep 18 2007, 01:01 PM)
haihz,dun take it personal, evohahn, ppl juz never listen, if u fanboys still wanna debate about the spying scandal issues, pls do it at the team's respective thread, or there is another thread about this case specifically......
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he he he ... i just wanna share my thots. sorry if i offended anyone sweat.gif sweat.gif

Well i think the disscussion here is okay lar.... no name calling and personal attacks yet thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(BuFung @ Sep 18 2007, 12:30 PM)
testing the Tyre is one thing..  knowing the weight distribution of the car to the trye is another thing...  Ferrari spend time/$$ to find out the weight distribution to suit the tyre, McLaren spend a few email to know about it..  so fair..  laugh.gif laugh.gif  so easy..  laugh.gif laugh.gif biggrin.gif
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ROFL! Ouch! laugh.gif

Burn rubber...burn rubber...
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