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Official LYN FIA Formula One World Championship V3, Kimi Raikkonen - 2007 World Champion.
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cristiano7mu
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 Sep 14 2007, 07:18 PM
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QUOTE(and85rew @ Sep 14 2007, 05:54 PM) Conclusion is,McLaren=CHEAT Aerodynamic have HUGE impact on car..a 0.001sec can give a driver a pole position. McLaren should be kicked out of the F1  CHEATERS always WINS Doh... as many of us posted tat Ferrari has more DNF than McLaren which is due to driver's problem n car reliabilities. and ur bold statement.... its juz CRAP... last time schumi won most of the race bcoz he cheats? |
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unknown
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Sep 14 2007, 07:21 PM
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QUOTE(faris21 @ Sep 14 2007, 07:10 PM) what happen to Felipe? is it another reliability problem? The Brazilian approached the Rivage hairpin too fast and slid off, through the gravel trap and into the barrier. |
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faris21
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Sep 14 2007, 07:30 PM
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QUOTE(unknown @ Sep 14 2007, 07:21 PM) The Brazilian approached the Rivage hairpin too fast and slid off, through the gravel trap and into the barrier. Rivage??? that where Alonso spun off in 2005 Belgium GP |
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-= Virgil =-
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Sep 14 2007, 07:45 PM
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Sep 14 2007, 05:56 PM) Drivers driving their heart out and sacrificing their limbs to entertain. Nothing more and nothing less. Which is why I feel that winning a championship in court is not the way to do it. Hey, I watched F1 for a long time. It's the way F1 works, and it was understood by all the teams too. If you don't like it, sucks to you then No matter what, the F1 sports being "F1" itself already has its name tarnished with the scandal. So i am sure some F1 fans must have feel a bit disappointed that such an incident can actually work itself out. Moreover, its a direct penalty on the McLaren team, and if i were one fan of the team, i would be furious too. So cant really blame it but then F1 is no longer like the old days where the teams and drivers take full pride in driving for their team. |
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linkinstreet
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Sep 14 2007, 07:54 PM
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Sep 14 2007, 06:17 PM) well not fair as they got warning that if really proofs were found after clearing them in the 1st meeting, they would be expeled for 2008 as well... well FIA still had not released the evidence that they received. Untill that is clarified, we can only guess. And McLaren as a whole didn't lie. Ron knows nothing about it and so has the majority of the employees, and they came to give their views to the WMSC. |
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blah1134
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Sep 14 2007, 08:32 PM
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im wondering ... why does it take so long to release the evidence and reasons, why cant they state it during post hearing statement  |
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cristiano7mu
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Sep 14 2007, 08:33 PM
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Well its FIA wat...
btw, do u know that nx yr McLaren garage will be at the of the pit beside the pit lane exit.
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blah1134
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Sep 14 2007, 08:38 PM
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yeah ... i bet aguri and spyker would be happy to see new frens. HAhAhAHaHaHha !!!  |
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linkinstreet
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Sep 14 2007, 08:40 PM
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depends on wether or not Macca's appealing.
But honestly, $100M? what is WMSC going to do with that money? And what if a lesser known team get into the same kind of trouble? fine them for less because they can't pay it? And what if a disgruntled employee held the team for ransom, threathening to go public saying that he was given a secret dossier from a rival team? wouldn't this be more damaging?
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cristiano7mu
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Sep 14 2007, 08:58 PM
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yup.... and one more thing is...
FIA should punish Ferrari as well coz their employee gave coughlan the data. If not, nx time other team will try to pay a employee to send data to rival team n they get punish. It will juz encourage ppl to do it.
during the 1st hearing last month, McLaren didnt get any punishment, then some said its not fair imagine a student tiru during exam, get caught but escape from punishment, it is ridiculous.
hm...in every school i guess the provider( the 1 who let other tiru) will also get punish as well rite?
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linkinstreet
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Sep 14 2007, 09:00 PM
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meh, I don't want to talk about Ferrari. The more important thing is now why there is no charges against Stepney by the FIA. Ferrari, well good luck to them. sad to see them win this way tho.
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evofantasy
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Sep 14 2007, 09:34 PM
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QUOTE(cristiano7mu @ Sep 14 2007, 08:58 PM) yup.... and one more thing is... FIA should punish Ferrari as well coz their employee gave coughlan the data. If not, nx time other team will try to pay a employee to send data to rival team n they get punish. It will juz encourage ppl to do it. during the 1st hearing last month, McLaren didnt get any punishment, then some said its not fair imagine a student tiru during exam, get caught but escape from punishment, it is ridiculous. hm...in every school i guess the provider( the 1 who let other tiru) will also get punish as well rite? well if soemone would to giv eu a gun would u accept or even use it? |
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bearbear
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Sep 14 2007, 09:45 PM
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Sep 14 2007, 09:34 PM) well if soemone would to giv eu a gun would u accept or even use it? wow Ferrari's data can kill someone? |
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evofantasy
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Sep 14 2007, 10:04 PM
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QUOTE(bearbear @ Sep 14 2007, 09:45 PM) wow Ferrari's data can kill someone? =.=" lol at ur mindset... even if u meant sarcasm its really a lame 1... the point of the phrase would be that if soemone offer u soemthing bad would u take it... |
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unknown
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Sep 14 2007, 10:18 PM
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FIA reveal evidence against McLarenQUOTE Formula One's governing body, the FIA, has revealed the full extent of the new spygate' evidence that prompted them to hit McLaren with a record fine and exclude them from the 2007 constructors' championship.
The evidence includes details of email and text message exchanges given to the FIA through written statements by McLaren test pilot Pedro de la Rosa and their double world champion driver Fernando Alonso.
De la Rosa, in particular, seems to have had regular contact with Mike Coughlan, the ex-McLaren chief designer who has confirmed that he received a dossier of secret Ferrari information from Nigel Stepney a former mechanic for the Italian team.
An FIA press release on Friday said: "The e-mails show unequivocally that both Mr. Alonso and Mr. de la Rosa received confidential Ferrari information via Coughlan; that both drivers knew that this information was confidential Ferrari information and that both knew that the information was being received by Coughlan from Stepney."
In one exchange between the two De La Rosa asks Coughlan, in a clear reference to Ferrari's all-red livery: "Hi Mike, do you know the Red Car's weight distribution? It would be important for us to know so that we could try it in the simulator. Thanks in advance, Pedro.
Cliquez ici...
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De La Rosa confirmed to the FIA that Coughlan sent him the required information via test message and he then forwarded it on to Alonso by email.
Similar exchanges between the three men took place regarding aerodynamics, tyre gas, braking systems and stopping strategy.
In addition the FIA has revealed the full amount of correspondence between Coughlan and Stepney, some of it taking place before the dossier of information was found by Italian police at Coughlan's house.
The statement reads: "The Italian police have identified logs which show 23 e-mails passed between Coughlan and Stepney between 1 March and 14 April 2007."
In total, at least 288 SMS messages and 35 telephone calls appear to have passed between Stepney and Coughlan between 11 March and 3 July 2007.
"In light of the number and timing of the communications between Coughlan and Stepney and the e-mail exchanges between the McLaren drivers, the WMSC regards it as reasonable to infer that Coughlan was in receipt of a flow of confidential Ferrari information from Stepney and that at least some of that information was communicated to others within McLaren." http://www.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/new...914155658.shtml
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evofantasy
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Sep 14 2007, 10:28 PM
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"Similar exchanges between the three men took place regarding aerodynamics, tyre gas, braking systems and stopping strategy."
these data doesnt need much car modification and can be used for performance...
so is mcclaren guilty? = yes...
This post has been edited by evofantasy: Sep 14 2007, 10:36 PM
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bearbear
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Sep 14 2007, 10:34 PM
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Sep 14 2007, 10:04 PM) =.=" lol at ur mindset... even if u meant sarcasm its really a lame 1... the point of the phrase would be that if soemone offer u soemthing bad would u take it... Fact is your comparison was not appropriate  |
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evofantasy
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Sep 14 2007, 10:41 PM
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QUOTE(bearbear @ Sep 14 2007, 10:34 PM) Fact is your comparison was not appropriate "look in and through the words" was wut i learnt and if u failed to see the meaning of the phrase then i got ntg to say... still i'll take the criticism in mind XD if u really look at the context it would mean that if the so called exampel which cristiano7mu gave, it implies the same thing that even if ferrari or other teams would pay their employee to so called leak data in hoping for suing then it is the team who accepts it to be blame as it is given clearly that it is illegal... the same as if someone giving u a gun and u take it no matter if u use it or not and get caught possesing it, you are still guilty... hope that would be sufficient help u look into and understand the meaning of the phrase itself... |
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acougan
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Sep 14 2007, 10:44 PM
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i LOLed at the ""Hi Mike, do you know the Red Car's weight distribution? It would be important for us to know so that we could try it in the simulator. Thanks in advance, Pedro." damn funny. now every other team like toyota and honda will want to hire pedro to testdrive their cars  |
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