Doesn't matter if you respond or not. My points are made clear for all to see. And so too are your lack of attention to the development that's happening. 1.5 years of the sky deck being constructed in the flesh, and you don't see it. So much for your assesments and bold claims

You know what, all this talk about no evidence of the sky deck. Just a cursory search in Google Earth would already have shown you the exact documentation and actual pics of the earliest structures of this sky deck being built almost 1.5 years ago.

It's now fully covered and still being constructed, you can experienced it yourself if you happen to travel south or north bound, it is a couple of short km from the Penchala LDP toll .

At this construction is smack exactly at where the sky deck should be according to the "unofficial" " unauthorized" "artist impression" renditions of the sky deck in the public domains

Some might say it is "hence not fact (according to some)" because there's no EXSIM logo, but it's all there in the metal, both in scale and size and actual construction

Do a site recce if you wish to consider this development.

Naysayers and agents alike can't be trusted 100%, even my opinions should be looked upon with your own analysis. Even if you're at home in front of a computer due to the pandemic, as I have already shown you a couple of times in this thread, that you still can form your own analysis, Google can be your tool. So are the news like the Edge which focuses on the business profiles and developments of these developers.

There is always pros and cons to a development, but there is also always a development that fits your needs and requirements. Who doesn't want to stay at multimillion sought after locales with seemingly littlr to no cons, and tons of upsides. But can everybody afford such dreams or excesses?

There are a lot of downsides to this development. I too would not shortlist this development as it is now. But at the same time there is also plenty of opportunity too to be had. It all depends on your portfolio, your capability and your risk considerations. It also depends on how you move the collective voice to force the hand of the developer or the town planning authorities.

Do a site recce. Form your own opinions.

And when you see extremes in opinions, positive or negative, treat it like a red flag, it's likely just a overbearing keyboard warrior trying to peddle an agenda or someone stuck in their own rut of their own bad experience, and trying to make it toxic for others too

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You didn't attack me? search your own posts . Use the term "property agent" and then the term "just because you are a buyer" and then the phrase "Letting your imagination run wild yea??" It's obvious you're trying to sow doubt by making a me strawman of your favorite punch bags

I already pointed you to the correlation. You made a strong claim "IT WILL NOT HAPPEN" based on a motley of presumptions that can be summed up as "a developer will not build something they cannot ..." I posited that EXSIM building the sky deck (that they cannot sell) is the obvious counter to this presumption

Moreover, you often make a second presumption that any artist impressions without the developer's "stamp" is not to be believed. Again this presumption falls apart in the context of the sky deck. Its not on any material with EXSIM's "stamp" on it

I am no problems with you making presumptions, but to make snarky comments and color and belittle other's presumptions/speculations and then go around being holier that thou making equally presumptuous claims "IT WILL NOT HAPPEN" that's hypocrisy, better learn to admit that

Same hypocrisy when you make bold claims (ostensibly based on facts and evidence) when clearly you have not even visited the site. Can be extrapolated by your total ignorance to the fact that the sky deck is being built.

It is well within my rights to communicate in my own way. It is obnoxious of you to try to make another strawmen attack (trying to paint me as elitist perhaps?). I think my use of vocabulary is within the bounds of being reasonable. If you can't fathom some of my vocabulary, there is always Google translate.

Yes, visit the site and gauge the scale, size and spec. Pedestrian bridge kononnya. Another keyboard loud mouth who have never visited the site. It is listed in MBPJ as a jejantas, because law requires an overpass for pedestrians to be listed at such. Visit the site, and you will see the scale. Better yet, visit Google Earth and take a trip. You will notice that at the same time, this sky deck is shouldered by two very obvious car flyovers being built. It is already clear from dated Google Earth footage from 1.5 years ago. If you're really into real facts, visit the site tomorrow, its even more apparent its the sky deck/sky garden shouldered by structures build for heavy cars.

I've since taken a trip around the site on Google Earth, since I feel there is a need to "flog a dead horse" that keeps missing the point

Anyway, something interesting I noted. The first picture shows the existing road access that I have labelled No. 2. An existing access that runs underneath LDP connecting Bukit Lanjan/Empire City area to the DCP site/area

What's more surprising is there is an existing bus route running on both sides of the LDP

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Pedestrian crossing kononnya...... See for yourself the actual old footage of this pedestrian bridge from 1.5 years ago. And I encourage interested persons to follow up with a site recce visit tomorrow (its even more extensive now). Judge for yourself. We don't need to listen to nonsense coming from recalcitrants

It is just like the passage in little red riding hood goes "Oh grandma, look how big those concrete buttresses are..." "Oh grandma, look how strong those steel foundations are specced" "Oh grandma, look how wide the concrete buttresses are laid along the LDP on both sides"

Wow just wow, pray tell Grandma, what are these things? It must be for thousands of pedestrians at once , it must be.....


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Another rather interesting observation on Google Earth. Especially if you align and overlay these actual existing structures under construction with the "unbranded", "unauthorised" , "artist impressions" found in the public domain illustrating the sky deck and sky garden

Shown in bright green solid lines are the huge concrete buttresses lining each side if the LDP (shown in the actual pictures of my last comment). In the previous comment, you will also see that the huge concrete buttresses are used to support a thick network of steel columns

The dotted green line are areas on the DCP side that have yet to have buttresses. But this is old Google maps footage. Drive along LDP today and you will find half or a quarter of the dotted lines have new concrete buttresses being constructed

Yes, it's true, there's no news from EXSIM or MAMMOTH on what the hell is this, apart from a sign indicating its a jejantas. EXSIM and the news aren't confirming anything since that jejantas report in Edge.

If you overlay the artist impression and road alignments on top of the Google map exaiting structures, there can be little doubt it's the sky deck/sky garden due to the size, scale, dimensions and spec. But don't quote me, IB]I have "no proof", "no official EXSIM statement" to back up my hypothesis[/B]. I could very well be wrong.... Maybe Elon Musk is building a space X platform over LDP, that must be it 😂

The pink lines, the one on the right the actual construction is almost complete, its a overpass flyover from the Empire City side to the DCP side (as shown in the old Google Maps footage). This route also links to DASH on the extreme southern end of Empire city

I am more speculative of the pink line on the left of the illustration (labelled as No. 2 in my other doodle). The built size, spec and alignment of the existing structures matches exactly the no. 2 shown in at least three versions of the sky deck artist impressions I have found in the public domain. The only part missing is the ramp over LDP to the DCP. ....... imagine and speculate to your peril ....... some people on this thread can't take such imaginations, extrapolations and deductions

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More "unbranded" "unauthorised" "undeclared" "artist impressions". Let's "be clear", we're making presumptions by matching artist impression to actual real construction work on site.

By golly, don't "take me seriously" this could well be an overamp build to carry pedestrians that weigh tons.....

Again marked in green are old google maps footage showing the huge concrete buttresses that we "hypothesise" is the sky deck /sky garden / pedestrian crossing due to how it overlays almost perfectly to the artist impressions. But don't quote me😂, EXSIM doesn claim this, so if you take me seriously, some commentators here will get pissed infuriated .😅

Visit on site tomorrow and you will find the construction now is even more extensive. Both sides of the concrete buttresses have now been covered with a thick network scaffold of steel. This "pedestrian crossing" currently cover over the LDP, spanning at least 2 football fields in width, likely more.

Marked in pink, is what I "hypothesise 😂", as the road access no. 3 connecting DCP side, across LDP, to the Empire City side. Why I "speculate/hypothesise/deduce" so? This alignment can be easily correlated and overlaid to the approximate "imaginary" location of the roundabout road on the sky deck shown in at least three versions of "unauthorised" "un-EXSIM" "artist impressions" found in the public domain.

Again I caution, take me seriously to your peril, there are people here that don't like us being deductive and optimistic, without "EVIDENCE that they agree with" .

Then again, this no.3 could also just be a simple off ramp from LDP direct into DCP, if EXSIM choose not to build the roundabout road illustrated in the sky deck. Naysayers can embrace this line of speculation. I'm sure these persona love this interpretation more than a sky deck that can cater for cars access

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GO read your own posts dude. The context is clear. There is no other implied meaning other than to paint me as a buyer or a agent that is "making make belief" to "sell falsehoods"

Letting your imagination run wild is an attack?? Of course it is, its an attempt to belittle, especially when read together with the full text of your comment. If you still don't get it, I'll hazard an elaboration, IMO it is a comment that is implied to get persons to contrast my "fanciful imaginations" to your "-supposedly- rock solid evidence based 'IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN' claim" .... It is nothing short of an infantile attempt at solicitating brownie points and popular support. But alas, it missed the point. The intention of my comments was to point out the potential opportunity of the rock wall. In your own warped logic, you lumped me together with "agents - selling falsehoods"

Read my posts, I am discussing possibilities with thread audiences, unlike you, which I will onforth call the the 'IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN" hypocritical prophet.

Yes, very rich, can't respond to intellectual challenges, deflect by attacking my language and "idioms". Nice try, this is not Trump America you know. Infantile attempt at debate

Try to convince a logical observer that the structures I just showed are "pedestrian". A sky deck can be classified as pedestrian too, I would opine that its a creative way to exploit legal loopholes for town planning approval.

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Google Strawman

A straw man (sometimes written as strawman) is a form of argument and an informal fallacy of having the impression of refuting an argument, whereas the real subject of the argument was not addressed or refuted, but instead replaced with a false one.[1] One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".

Try to deduce why I call you out for trying to make a strawman argument...

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Punching bag - The Free Dictionaryhttps://www.thefreedictionary.com › punching+bag
2. A target of frequent criticism or abuse: "He ... became a punching bag for every comic's fat jokes" (Vanity Fair) ...

Like I said resorting to semantics in your retort? It's infantile. It's what we did call a red herring fallacy. Diversions doesn't work. I've already pointed out your hypocrisy. That enough is clear for all to see

And get your warped logic straight. I am and has been very clear with my comments and opinions on the rock wall and the parks, waterfalls, climbing attraction. I have never once claimed it will be built, I only pointed it out as an opportunity that the developer can activate. If they choose too. I've already mentioned this thrice, go and read my comments word for word.

Do not project your personal bias or comprehension inadequacies or fallacies onto the my comments on the rock wall.

I did not claim it is official. Nor did I say Exsim will build it. It's all in your mind. Get that straight

The very fact you attempted to "paint" me, first, as a agent, and then as a "aloof" buyer, all as an attempt to substantiate your arguments, is telling.

I can tell you straight that these incorrect interpretation of my comments and logical fallacies is all in your mind and very clear for all to see. You're making incorrect projections of perceived notions onto my comments.

I feel it's likely because of your internal "dislike" of this development. I won't speculate further, but your overt angst and negativity are clear as day.

Phrases and expressions? Make uup phrases?????

Again do not project your own inadequacies onto my abilities.

Go do a simple Google research on Wikipedia or better yet, Merriam Webster or Oxford Dictionary.

Practice what you preach. Look up on the actual meanings of "logical fallacies" and idiomatic terms like punching bags and straw man, stop and study before you open your mouth and make a further fool of yourself with those infantile retorts......make up phrases..... By golly....

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Your recalcitrance and incompetence is insufferable. If you're too lazy to do a simple search to find out what the phrases mean, then just say you don't care. Repeating the same "making up phrases" retort only reflects badly on you. Stop embarrassing yourself. Follow what you preach, I'll point you to a key word. Google "logical fallacies". I can assure you whatever you read on logical fallacies will benefit you.

At the same time, I repeat once again, do not project your own insecurity, your own distaste of this project, and your own preconceived notions on me and my comments.

I am not trying to convince anyone. Nor am I here to "sell" this project. There is not enough points in this project to convince me to invest or buy to stay.

I only entertain responding to you because I am trying to point out your err and at the same time to correct your incorrect notions of what I have been doing - a discussion of some aspect of the project. It is unwarranted that you paint my discussions with your venomous preconceptions that taints and color what I have been doing with my comments

Unlike you, I do not set out to convince anyone, nor do I want to be overbearing in my opinions on others. I am merely stating my observations, deductions and an opinion, that, there the potential pitfalls and also potential opportunities to be had with this project

If you track actually my comments on this thread. You will find that I am one of the few who brought forth an pro and cons analysis of the topology of the site, I also posited an analysis that D'Erica has more upsides than the other phases. I am also the one who bring in the info if the MBPJ town planning (4th amendment) and its potential impact. I am among the first who found out and shared info on the temple in front of D'Erica. I also commented on the downsides that is Flora Damansara and the mosque.

I also mentioned legacy follies and bad rep linked to Mammoth Empire's incompetence with Empire City, and the substandard wreak that is Empire City. I am just as happy to share positive info about the recent cash infusion for Empire City Mall...that might go on to salvage Empire City Mall and all the owners who have invested in that project.

This is what I would consider productive discussions and information sharing.

You claim to be all evidence based and fact basedin all your comments, but I find that you gleefully repeat and highlight any downsides of this project, but when challenged with positives on the project, your go to reactions does not jive with your self annointed claims that you are fact based and unbiased. - this part, it is my observation and conclusion based in all your responses and retorts

That's probably also the motivating reason I entertain your retorts and responses. I want to point you to your err and your veil. And hope you reflect on that. Nothing more, nothing less.

I do not need your, or anyone elses' acknowledgement or approval of what I bring forth to the table for discussion. Buyer and pundits can make up their own minds.

Sure suit yourself. Whatever you say.

Based on me profiling you, I think I have just the best advice for you. To save you the possible pain and anxiety , only go for projects that are already built and VPed. Better yet, only go for those that have VPed for at least five years for good measure. And also, I strongly recommend that when you buy your next house or property, only go for a development where the project is the last component in the masterplan. Follow this advice and you'll have to be the most unlucky person in the world for you to get a lemon. 👍😂😉

Also make sure you do a site recce before trying to invoke "facts" and promote your "fact based standards"

Also practice what you preach, don't speculate. Don't say IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN, because doing so does not state any fact, but at best deductive extrapolation.

Here's something for you. I'll teach you it should have been done. Just rephrase your statement, you should instead say something like this "...based on my past observations of a, b, c, and d, I think is it is highly improbable that it will ever happen....."

This sentence suits the "fact based, evidence only" persona that you are trying to project on yourself. ☮️

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Touche. Apply that advice to you, don't imagine things before the fact, " IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN" kononnya 😂😅😂

It's good advice my man, especially for you. Follow that advice, and you'll have little to no room to settle at speculation, guesswork, or developers short-changing you, because you'll have the whole masterplan committed, pre built, and physically in front of you to assess all you like. BEST PROJECT FOR YOU EVER!!! 😊🤗

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It seems at face value, it is a fair opinion (you think I am an agent), that is only true if you base it on just one topic (rock face) that I talked about,

That said, but it is also fair opinion for me to say that you have colored your opinion with your preconceived notions without actually being fastidious at reading my posts. In the full context. Just because someone talked about upsides to a project, you automatically assumed I am an agent. You are equally as guilty as Predator in this context, you prejudge before being "upfront about it"

Like I said, I don't sell properties. I buy them.

I have been clear in my posts, I discussed the rock face as an opportunity to be activated. I did not say it is definitely to be built.

Of course, anyone could be blindsided by information we are not aware of, we don't know what we don't know. How about the times I talked about the downsides of a project? Now then, do you automatically assume I am not an agent because I spoke of downsides

Well, I don't know what I don't know. Have the sky deck been heavily marketed before? I did not notice. But it's rather ironic isn't it? If it's has been heavily marketed before? Then it's ironic Predator (the fact based and evidence only prophet) did not notice it.

Well, what I do know about the sky deck, it is not on the EXSIM don't publish any progress updates, or post pictures of the actual construction. Nor is it in the newspapers or marketing material for all the current DCP phases. So, based on the same benchmark that Predator has set, it is highly "unlikely" it is a EXSIM authorised information, .....😂😅 Is that it? @Predator

Anyway, I mentioned the "possible" sky deck for two reasons. (1) had a quick Google map trip. (2) I am pointing out Predators's logical fallacies when he/she ridicules my discussion on the potential of the rock face as a "fantasy" but indulge in his/her own "fanciful extrapolation" that IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. The sky deck topic also served to show that Predator did not do a site recce, and is not the all-knowing and fastidious about facts "persona" that she/he claims to be.

As for my posts in the sky deck, I only discussed what I saw driving along LDP, what I saw documented in Google Maps last night and how these actual constructions correlated really well with the illustrations and marketing material relevant to the sky deck

But the other main premise to the sky deck topic also revolves around Predators's thesis that IT WILL NEVER BE BUILT if it does not serve commercial purpose for EXSIM to sell something. The SKY DECK is therefore an example that runs counter to this thesis

By all means of extrapolation, the sky deck will likely be much more expensive than any sort of simples structures that are the artist impressions circulated about the "park" at the rock face

So in this regards, what make you so sure that EXSIM wouldn't consider it as a potential marketing tool to be activated in the near or far future.

That said, I reiterate, I DID NOT SAY EXSIM WILL BUILD THE ROCK FACE PARK, I merely posited that it's a special opportunity that seems dumb for EXSIM not to use

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I've seen this video. It's the KL Property Channel not EXSIM, I don't know what I don't know, you don't know what you don't know. And we have to be careful, Predator don't like us making speculations. So by his/her standard, can we claim this as the "official" presentation by the developer? I ain't gonna say it, it could be to my peril (it's fairly likely Predator gets worked up on this assumption)

You can state so at your own peril 😂😂😂😂😂🎊

Puns aside, doesn't change the fact, the actual construction ongoing, and the patchwork of artists impressions and "unofficial" YouTube and presentations (not to forget your statement that this was heavily marketed by EXSIM, I could not independently verify your statement, but I'll include it), does gives us a strong indicator and probability that the sky deck is here.

And this upside, along with it the direct "PEDESTRIAN" access between DCP (especially DErica) and EC and it's Mall, it is some good news for DCP. At the same time if my deductions of the overramps (for cars) (in my previous posts labelled no. 1, 2, 3, 4) holds up, then it's more good news for the existing buyers for DCP. In that, DCP will have at least more than one road access out of DCP. And if there is an overamp for traffic between DCP and EC, then the claims of easy access to DASH will also likely come into fruition

Like I say, it ain't over until the fat lady sings. And I wish all the best to the DCP buyers, the more upsides that gets confirmed, the better it gets for them despite the obvious downsides of the project.

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or a taste of their own medicine 😂 we reap what we sow

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TOTALLY AGREE 👍🏹🏹📈 NO COMMERCIAL ENTITY WILL BUILD SOMETHING IF IT DOES NOT MAKE BUSINESS SENSE

Imagine... After rushing out 6 phases of residentials, the existing marketing propositions are running stale and old.... but now EXSIM need to build commericial phases. In the past, they could leverage Empire City Mall, Sky Deck... Etc. The marketing department needs something snazzy new to attract the imagination of prospective buyers. The shareholders are running impatient. Sales rates are dropping. Competitors are coming up with new shiny things. I wonder what else can the marketing department pull out from the hat to spruce up the value proposition for the new commercial phases....? Free park maybe? How about "Kuala Lumpur's one and only rock face park?"!!!!!!!!!!

Since we are dealing with the "hypothetical" let you imagination run wild 😂😂😂😂 IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN KONONNYA.

One have to wonder why SUNWAY have to spend so much additional money to spruce up SUNWAY X PARK SOUTH QUAY, after the fact that SUNWAY PYRAMID and SUNWAY LAGOON and their original master plan?, major attractions and ongoing success is just a stone throw away from the new Sunway Waterfront residential and commercial phases ? Why spend more than necessary?

OMIGOSH, Why is SUNWAY being so silly?!!!😂😂😂 Don't they know "the developers are for profit organisation..... "😂😂😂

Why do they "build that shit as an after thought... ", 😂😂😂 it's totally crazy, right?!!!😂😂😂

Why could the SUNWAY executives not wonder " who will manage your so called South quay X adventure park and that South quay lake waterfall park...."😂😂😂 "imagining the whole shebang will be maintained by the municipal (yeah right... they are going to use public funds to maintain a high end high class park like South quay......" 😂😂😂

BUT IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN, IT SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN, BUT SOMEHOW SOUTH QUAY PARK exists after the fact that is the master plan, after so many years, why?

WHY even build loss making SUNWAY BRT😂😂😂. SUNWAY MUST BE CRAZY.... THE WORLD MUST BE CRAZY....

IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.... KONONNYA

Enjoy............ What fanciful extrapolation you have, Predator. What imaginative big claims (negative speculation) before the fact.

I have to wonder, how is your negative speculation any different from positive speculation? Isn't it speculation all the same?

It is never over until the fat lady sings.

I have opined the potential value of the rock face if properly activated. Whether EXSIM see potential to do so in the near future, or the far future,it is their business.

In my opinion, to future residents and prospectors of DCP, the rock face will not go away, its inherent potential will it go way. It only takes a spark of entrepreneurial brilliance and any investor will have ashot at business profits and commercial success.

That's the spirit behind how Genting made Genting Highland from a spot Pahang signed away cheaply to a Lim Goh Tong they deemed a fool. The same prospective optimism is also how Sunway too a piece of mining wasteland and made it Malaysia's and SEA's premier water ppark.

This rock face park.... Especially if it's that artist impression, the scope and scale is so small, it wouldn't cost more than spare change for EXSIM, compared to the sky deck, or Genting or Sunway Lagoon.

Buyers need only to focus on the tangibles when they make their purchasing decisions. This I agree.

But it doesn't mean they cannot be optimistic prospectively imagining better things for their investment.

Your overt indifference to outright hostile responses to anything positive about this project is very telling. Everyone only need to track and trace every one of your posts on this thread to see the pattern. I'll say it, something is amiss in your head with all your negativity towards this project.


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It was suppose to make us laugh silly 😂😂😂 can't fathom why you miss it , it's suppose to be rhetorical satire, which I wrote in an attempt to allow you to see and to realise your own (pathological) logical fallacies and reasoning bottlenecks

Like I said,
I have to wonder, how is your negative speculation any different from positive speculation? Isn't it speculation all the same?

That's said, for the umpteenth time, I really gotta say, your inability with reading and comprehension is insufferable

Or perhaps, I guess it is done purposefully, avoiding arguments that you can't reply. It could be a case of cherry picking what seems to work for your argument or ego driven denial

First, you missed the first point (or warped it to suit your way) Sunway Lagoon, Sunway Pyramid, Sunway Education, Sunway Hospital etc. Was part of the original master plan

Second you missed Sunway South Quay Lake, Sunway Lake, X PARK which came later and addition to the their master plan. This point you conveniently skipped (purposeful slip of mind perhaps, becaus eit doesn't work for your argument). It is meant to show you that your negative presumptions that a developer would not add attractions or facilities or value propositions after the fact (original master plan). All of which involves tons of sunk additional cost (after the original master plan) to activate and only then can these new value propositions can be used as a marketing tool to market further expansion of their development (business sense)

Third, you wholly skipped the other example that is Genting

And fourth BRT is after the fact that was Sunway's original plan. Does it make business sense (if profit taking is involved), nope, it's a loss making endeavour. So what is the business sense for putting additional money into the BRT? I ENCOURAGE YOU REFLECT ON YOUR OWN QUESTION. THINK HARDER WHY SUNWAY BUILD THE BRT? EVEN IT IS LOSS MAKING. WHY WOULD A PROPERTY DEVELOPER INDULGE IN SUNK COSTS TO BUILD A LOSS MAKING FACILITY AND PROJECT? 😂😂😂

Fifth, Sunway Lagoon is a money making park, so why can't a feature at the rock face not be a money making park? I can't fathom your logic here. Even a couple of simple cheap structures can be rented out as cafes. What's more if someone makes a rock climbing park.

Sixth, you skipped the entrepeunerial example that's is Genting Highlands. When a natural feature or location has potential opportunity, it just takes an idea, investment, and perserverance to activate it. In contrast to Genting, anything at the rock face would be way cheaper..even if EXSIM doesn't want to build it, they can invite others to build it. imagine Legoland or art centre at Sentul Park or Universal Studios at Genting (now defunct, fallout and switched to another vendor).

Like I said, a few posts before. You have something amiss in your brain apparent from your overt negative speculations of this project. Or you really have a timid, extremely risk adverse mindset😂😂😂. Hence, I had opined the best property for you is a 5 year, fully built up, VPed property that preferably is the last component of any masterplan.🤔😆👍

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