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Investment VESBOLT INVESTMENT PLAN !, PLEASE READ IT B4 YOU START INVEST WITH.

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TStinge123
post Mar 21 2020, 10:06 PM, updated 6y ago

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Hi , I just wanna to share my experience for this investment plan.

High risk with high return. mean DD 100%. Please take note , you be lose all your capital & profit at the end.

Low risk with low return. Currently DD hit till 30 % but I don't know the low risk will hit new high ?

This investment with no stop loss at all, mean you need to prepare your capital with total loss.

My account had been burnt last week with max DD 100%.

Remember past performance not guarantee the return !!!
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post Mar 21 2020, 10:20 PM

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what is DD? any link to refers?
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QUOTE(tinge123 @ Mar 21 2020, 10:06 PM)
Hi , I just wanna to share my experience for this investment plan.

High risk with high return. mean DD 100%. Please take note , you be lose all your capital & profit at the end.

Low risk with low return. Currently DD hit till 30 % but I don't know the low risk will hit new high ?

This investment with no stop loss at all, mean you need to prepare your capital with total loss.

My account had been burnt last week with max DD 100%.

Remember past performance not guarantee the return !!!
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Just like forex is it? Need to play the game well.
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QUOTE(seiluen @ Mar 21 2020, 10:20 PM)
what is DD? any link to refers?
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DD mean draw down
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QUOTE(tinge123 @ Mar 21 2020, 11:06 PM)
Hi , I just wanna to share my experience for this investment plan.

High risk with high return. mean DD 100%. Please take note , you be lose all your capital & profit at the end.

Low risk with low return. Currently DD hit till 30 % but I don't know the low risk will hit new high ?

This investment with no stop loss at all, mean you need to prepare your capital with total loss.

My account had been burnt last week with max DD 100%.

Remember past performance not guarantee the return !!!
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you mean the stop lost is not function or fake?
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post Mar 22 2020, 02:58 PM

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They claim their platform is regulated and some more want to fight with the fake platform. Regulated platform doest not mean zero risks.

Regulated platform = suck your money in legal way
Unregulated platfrom = suck your many in many ways

What kind of century now. still got people to believe in forex trading
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QUOTE(tinge123 @ Mar 21 2020, 10:06 PM)
Hi , I just wanna to share my experience for this investment plan.

High risk with high return. mean DD 100%. Please take note , you be lose all your capital & profit at the end.

Low risk with low return. Currently DD hit till 30 % but I don't know the low risk will hit new high ?

This investment with no stop loss at all, mean you need to prepare your capital with total loss.

My account had been burnt last week with max DD 100%.

Remember past performance not guarantee the return !!!
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Hi Cassey Hong Chin Yow,

1st of all, i am amazed with your effort by making this thread/post. I am not sure what's your intention.

When you invest on a high returns portfolio strategy, you should know that the risk is high as well. Apparently you are not a risk taker but greedily want high return portfolio strategy. I did told you before you invest and also encourage to diversify among different portfolio strategies because we offered up to 8 different portfolio strategies.

During March2020 when the entire world markets crashed due to pandemic, the strategy you invested hit badly as well. Low risk? How can be a portfolio strategy return as high as 8-10% monthly recognized as low risk by you? You should not invest with money you cant afford to lose when come to high risk investment. Did you request to stop trading when the drawdown reach 30%? It's your account under your name, you can even inform the broker that you wish to stop trading as well.

Many stock investors, mutual fund investors are losing money as well on March2020 financial crisis. We are grateful that other portfolio strategies are doing well except the high risk strategy that you invested. We have many traders managing different portfolio strategies, different trading methods, different risk.

One trader does not represent VESBOLT, investors have the right to choose any traders. If you cant take risk, choose the low returns strategy and for you Cassey, better dont invest in FX since you are not a risk taker. Risk and reward ratio is always balance. Dont go for high return and cry/complain when something happen. Risk warning is everywhere on our web site including when you select portfolio manager and everyone should know past performance does not indicate the future returns. Make sense?

VESBOLT never cheat and never scam, we offer genuine portfolio investment with RISK! Most importantly, we have many happy investors profiting on our portfolio strategies. We also welcome good traders who has proven track records to join us!

Feel free to PM me if anyone has question.

This post has been edited by Equity: May 25 2024, 04:20 AM
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QUOTE(terrytan @ Sep 28 2020, 04:50 PM)
Hi Cassey Hong Chin Yow,

1st of all, i am amazed with your effort by making this thread/post. I am not sure what's your intention.

When you invest on a high returns portfolio strategy, you should know that the risk is high as well. Apparently you are not a risk taker but greedily want high return portfolio strategy. I did told you before you invest and also encourage to diversify among different portfolio strategies because we offered up to 8 different portfolio strategies.

During March2020 when the entire world markets crashed due to pandemic, the strategy you invested hit badly as well. Low risk? How can be a portfolio strategy return as high as 8-10% monthly recognized as low risk by you? You should not invest with money you cant afford to lose when come to high risk investment. Did you request to stop trading when the drawdown reach 30%? It's your account under your name, you can even inform the broker that you wish to stop trading as well.

Many stock investors, mutual fund investors are losing money as well on March2020 financial crisis. We are grateful that other portfolio strategies are doing well except the high risk strategy that you invested. We have many traders managing different portfolio strategies, different trading methods, different risk.

One portfolio strategy does not represent VESBOLT, investors have the right to choose any traders or portfolio strategies. If you cant take risk, choose the low returns strategy and for you Cassey, better dont invest in FX since you are not a risk taker. Risk and reward ratio is always balance. Dont go for high return and cry/complain when somthing happen. Risk warning is everywhere on our web site including when you select portfolio strategy and everyone should know past performance does not indicate the future returns. Make sense?

VESBOLT never cheat and never scam, we offer genuine portfolio investment with RISK! Most importantly, we have many happy investors profiting on our portfolio strategies. We also welcome good traders who has proven track records to join us!

Feel free to PM me if anyone has question.
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on your 8 different portfolios strategies....
does it indicate the probability of losing X% of money in a year for each of the strategy?
something like this from stashaway...Risk index level selection.

an example:
a StashAway portfolio with $100,000 and a StashAway Risk Index of 10% has a 99% probability of not losing more than 10%, or $10,000 in a year.
In other words, there is 99% probability that your portfolio’s value won’t decrease below $90,000 if you select a 10% StashAway Risk Index.
https://www.stashaway.sg/r/introducing-high...5%20and%2036%25.

This post has been edited by yklooi: Sep 28 2020, 05:05 PM
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Sep 28 2020, 05:02 PM)
on your 8 different portfolios strategies....
does it indicate the probability of losing X% of money in a year?
something like this from stashaway...Risk index level selection.

an example:
a StashAway portfolio with $100,000 and a StashAway Risk Index of 10% has a 99% probability of not losing more than 10%, or $10,000 in a year.
In other words, there is 99% probability that your portfolio’s value won’t decrease below $90,000 if you select a 10% StashAway Risk Index.
https://www.stashaway.sg/r/introducing-high...5%20and%2036%25.
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In investment, nothing is guaranteed. Not even the risk. We stated the past performance with historic highest drawdown.

If investors wish to have limited loss on certain %, they can choose our preferred broker ATCBROKERS which we offered preset maximum drawdown via the PAMM plus platform. The maximum risk % will be the investor choice.

I am not sure about StashAway and not sure it is regulated platform. Anything can be publish on web site but the fact is no GUARANTEED.
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QUOTE(terrytan @ Sep 28 2020, 05:08 PM)
In investment, nothing is guaranteed. Not even the risk. We stated the past performance with historic highest drawdown.

If investors wish to have limited loss on certain %, they can choose our preferred broker ATCBROKERS which we offered preset maximum drawdown via the PAMM plus platform. The maximum risk % will be the investor choice.

I am not sure about StashAway and not sure it is regulated platform. Anything can be publish on web site but the fact is no GUARANTEED.
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thks for the info about ATCbrokers

it does not need to be guaranteed but they have a number from calculation of Value-at-Risk (VaR) to show about the expectations of how much risk to which you’ll be exposed for each of the risk index selected which also indicates the potential loss of the given portfolio

btw, that earlier link was from Stashaway Singapore, and it is regulated in Singapore as per
https://www.stashaway.sg/security

malaysia version
https://www.stashaway.my/security

This post has been edited by yklooi: Sep 28 2020, 05:30 PM
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Sep 28 2020, 05:16 PM)
thks for the info about ATCbrokers

it does not need to be guaranteed but they have an number from calculation of Value-at-Risk (VaR) to show about expectations of how much risk to which you’ll be exposed  for each of the risk level selected

btw, that earlier link was from Stashaway Singapore, and it is regulated in Singapore as per
https://www.stashaway.sg/security

malaysia version
https://www.stashaway.my/security
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Generally both are different products. Stashaway risk and returns could be lower and generally focus on bonds. The returns could be 10-20% a year and lower?

For VESBOLT, we are focus much on FX and commodities. For returns wise, we aim to achieve 20% and above annually. Thus the risk is higher as well.

This post has been edited by terrytan: Sep 28 2020, 05:30 PM
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QUOTE(terrytan @ Sep 28 2020, 05:29 PM)
Generally both are different products. Stashaway risk and returns could be lower and generally focus on bonds. The returns could be 10-20% a year and lower?

For VESBOLT, we are focus much on FX and commodities. For returns wise, we aim to achieve 20% and above annually. Thus the risk is higher as well.
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thumbup.gif notworthy.gif yes different products...

since this is a Vesbolt thread...i will leave the stashaway thing off this thread....
not before sharing this article i got from there too....which i think can be applied to the general population...

Debunking "High Risk, High Return"
Is 6% annual returns high or low? It depends!

How much risk was taken to deliver that 6% in returns?
If you’re comparing returns of different investment products, you should be looking at how much risk it took to achieve those returns.
We all know the saying, “High Risk, High Returns”, but how true is it?

The short answer is: in the long-term, on average, riskier investments will probably give higher returns.
The key words in that sentence are “long-term” and “average”.
In the short term, riskier investments are more likely to give lower returns and experience more losses.

Here, I’m going to focus on how to understand risk and holistically interpret returns.

more
https://www.stashaway.sg/r/debunking-high-risk-high-return

In short, don’t take unnecessary risk
In investing, you cannot talk about returns without talking about risk, and you should never invest in a product based on its historical and projected returns, without having first learnt about its volatility and overall risk.
Make sure you do your homework before deciding on an investment product.

This post has been edited by yklooi: Sep 28 2020, 05:45 PM
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QUOTE(tinge123 @ Mar 21 2020, 10:06 PM)
Hi , I just wanna to share my experience for this investment plan.

High risk with high return. mean DD 100%. Please take note , you be lose all your capital & profit at the end.

Low risk with low return. Currently DD hit till 30 % but I don't know the low risk will hit new high ?

This investment with no stop loss at all, mean you need to prepare your capital with total loss.

My account had been burnt last week with max DD 100%.

Remember past performance not guarantee the return !!!
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QUOTE(terrytan @ Sep 28 2020, 04:50 PM)
Hi Cassey Hong Chin Yow,

1st of all, i am amazed with your effort by making this thread/post. I am not sure what's your intention.

When you invest on a high returns portfolio strategy, you should know that the risk is high as well. Apparently you are not a risk taker but greedily want high return portfolio strategy. I did told you before you invest and also encourage to diversify among different portfolio strategies because we offered up to 8 different portfolio strategies.

During March2020 when the entire world markets crashed due to pandemic, the strategy you invested hit badly as well. Low risk? How can be a portfolio strategy return as high as 8-10% monthly recognized as low risk by you? You should not invest with money you cant afford to lose when come to high risk investment. Did you request to stop trading when the drawdown reach 30%? It's your account under your name, you can even inform the broker that you wish to stop trading as well.

Many stock investors, mutual fund investors are losing money as well on March2020 financial crisis. We are grateful that other portfolio strategies are doing well except the high risk strategy that you invested. We have many traders managing different portfolio strategies, different trading methods, different risk.

One portfolio strategy does not represent VESBOLT, investors have the right to choose any traders or portfolio strategies. If you cant take risk, choose the low returns strategy and for you Cassey, better dont invest in FX since you are not a risk taker. Risk and reward ratio is always balance. Dont go for high return and cry/complain when somthing happen. Risk warning is everywhere on our web site including when you select portfolio strategy and everyone should know past performance does not indicate the future returns. Make sense?

VESBOLT never cheat and never scam, we offer genuine portfolio investment with RISK! Most importantly, we have many happy investors profiting on our portfolio strategies. We also welcome good traders who has proven track records to join us!

Feel free to PM me if anyone has question.
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Make police report and ask Bank Negara, Securities Commission and police to investigate. If it is a scam, then perhaps this can prevent others from getting scammed

This post has been edited by e-lite: Sep 28 2020, 06:26 PM
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Sep 28 2020, 05:35 PM)
thumbup.gif  notworthy.gif yes different products...

since this is a Vesbolt thread...i will leave the stashaway thing off this thread....
not before sharing this article i got from there too....which i think can be applied to the general population...

Debunking "High Risk, High Return"
Is 6% annual returns high or low? It depends!

How much risk was taken to deliver that 6% in returns?
If you’re comparing returns of different investment products, you should be looking at how much risk it took to achieve those returns.
We all know the saying, “High Risk, High Returns”, but how true is it?

The short answer is: in the long-term, on average, riskier investments will probably give higher returns.
The key words in that sentence are “long-term” and “average”.
In the short term, riskier investments are more likely to give lower returns and experience more losses.

Here, I’m going to focus on how to understand risk and holistically interpret returns.

more
https://www.stashaway.sg/r/debunking-high-risk-high-return

In short, don’t take unnecessary risk
In investing, you cannot talk about returns without talking about risk, and you should never invest in a product based on its historical and projected returns, without having first learnt about its volatility and overall risk.
Make sure you do your homework before deciding on an investment product.
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6% annual return investment is acceptable for Singaporean, but not Malaysian. In Singapore, your FD is closed to 0%. In Malaysia, our FD returns are slightly better.

Anyway, this is not VESBOLT thread. I will end here. Thank you.
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Will changing the returns from 6% to 8% (or 10-12%) of caption of that article changes the info the article wanted to convey?
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QUOTE(tinge123 @ Mar 21 2020, 10:06 PM)
Hi , I just wanna to share my experience for this investment plan.

High risk with high return. mean DD 100%. Please take note , you be lose all your capital & profit at the end.

Low risk with low return. Currently DD hit till 30 % but I don't know the low risk will hit new high ?

This investment with no stop loss at all, mean you need to prepare your capital with total loss.

My account had been burnt last week with max DD 100%.

Remember past performance not guarantee the return !!!
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WOW didnt realize got such post, luckily i did deep search on it and found this thread. Hey do u know u can report them to the SC ?

Dont let them earn easy money and walk away freely, somemore can call your name in open forum, good for them blardy rude management team. Just report them they will close shop
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Sep 28 2020, 05:35 PM)
thumbup.gif  notworthy.gif yes different products...

since this is a Vesbolt thread...i will leave the stashaway thing off this thread....
not before sharing this article i got from there too....which i think can be applied to the general population...

Debunking "High Risk, High Return"
Is 6% annual returns high or low? It depends!

How much risk was taken to deliver that 6% in returns?
If you’re comparing returns of different investment products, you should be looking at how much risk it took to achieve those returns.
We all know the saying, “High Risk, High Returns”, but how true is it?

The short answer is: in the long-term, on average, riskier investments will probably give higher returns.
The key words in that sentence are “long-term” and “average”.
In the short term, riskier investments are more likely to give lower returns and experience more losses.

Here, I’m going to focus on how to understand risk and holistically interpret returns.

more
https://www.stashaway.sg/r/debunking-high-risk-high-return

In short, don’t take unnecessary risk
In investing, you cannot talk about returns without talking about risk, and you should never invest in a product based on its historical and projected returns, without having first learnt about its volatility and overall risk.
Make sure you do your homework before deciding on an investment product.
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Stashaway is a regulated company doing legit business dont compare to the low class company vesbolt which run thier business illegally in malaysia and act like they are the best.
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QUOTE(e-lite @ Sep 28 2020, 06:24 PM)
Make police report and ask Bank Negara, Securities Commission and police to investigate. If it is a scam, then perhaps this can prevent others from getting scammed
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this i likey !!! just report to SC saja easy lai sama sama kasi report 9 ee.

regulated in BVI act like its regulated in malaysia kasi report it and see how it goes, lets see if they are legit LOL LOL

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