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Home Networking Ditch ONU, use GPON SFP on Business Grade Router, 2.5G ONU for Unifi & Maxis, NO NEED VLAN

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post Nov 24 2023, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(paultantk @ Nov 23 2023, 06:29 AM)
right now what i have in mind is 1 x bcm57810s and 1 x i226 dual 2.5g card

2 x bcm57810s seems impossible to execute because it needs a pcie x8 slot which is hard to find two of them on small motherboards

the dual i226 i saw can use pcie x1
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Yeah that will work as well, I think the guy does have custom solution for 2x BCM57810S and 1x 2.5GB. Or just with BCM57840

QUOTE(paultantk @ Nov 23 2023, 08:21 AM)
i have an idea

what if you use the 2.5g media converter that anime4000 packages with his onu? and connect it to a normal copper rj45 transceiver in the bcm57810s. that would mean the sfp onu would be powered by the media converter right? and the broadcom card would only need to power the normal copper transceiver. would this work?
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Yeah that will work as well, but IDK I feel like that’d be defeating the purpose of a small AIO. Yeah the converter is not big by any stretch of the imagination but the need for 2 separate plugs is annoying to me.

if going that route, you technically just need 2x SFP+ transceiver, 1 negotiating at 2.5GBe and 1 negotiating at 10GBe as uplink
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post Nov 26 2023, 09:09 PM

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Suspecting TM did something at their backend that's breaking VoIP

OPNSense was running VLAN 500 only, tried putting VLAN 400 and VLAN 600 in DHCP mode and bridge VLAN and phy interface and it causes my internet via VLAN 500 to just freak out. Had to disable both VLANs for my internet to work properly

Hopefully this is just a fluke cause I'm fully prepared to switch to GPON when I have it configured properly
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post Dec 3 2023, 08:46 AM

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QUOTE(paultantk @ Dec 3 2023, 08:08 AM)
got a test machine set up. somehow the sfp onu in the bcm card just doesnt work, not even when its the only transceiver installed. the card tells me link keeps going up down up down up down. in the end i replaced it with a normal copper transceiver and connected it to the sfp onu via the media converter, then it worked perfectly.

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found this in github, but im not sure what patched nvram means. since it works with media converter ill just use that method
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You’ll have to use DOS/UEFI to patch it with ediag, boot it up with USB and patch

https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r32230041-...a-BCM57810S-NIC

It’s just to enable 2500-BaseX since BCM57810S doesn’t support it OOTB

Also remember the power consumption issue, use low power transceivers whenever possible
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post Dec 5 2023, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Dec 3 2023, 07:53 PM)
D-Link DPN-FX3060V has new firmware (V1.1.2)

my PON Stick also get new update to follow change of V1.1.2 ensure follow TM Standard.

TM show me this:
--redacted--

TM toke notice that my first 2Gbps Install speedtest result was amazing, rise suspicious brows.gif 
--redacted--

We have run several testing on PON Stick that I experiment,
Then TM show this when my PON Stick is set doesn't reflect back properly, I forgot one command doh.gif
--redacted--
^^^ TM can find who improper Stick DIY, in-case your PON Stick cannot use, it's forbidden for me to help rclxub.gif > NDA

Also suggest a unique VendorId and special MIB Entity to validate my PON Stick

I do this to TM panel:
--redacted--

not sure either I want to use ANIG (Anime GPON) or NEKO or NEMU,

so I put ANIG VendorId as ONT S/N and NEKO as VendorId

Another bad happening... ranting.gif
There already one case that disturb whole Taman Internet,
they didn't tell what cause, but upon checking the user live is not from me (I compare to shipping address)
so, I safe from this trouble at least...

You must know, Fiber Internet is SHARED line,

from one stranding fiber split into multiple subscriber, one rouge ONT can disturb other internet!

Bad ONT can broke OLT QoS and you giving unfair to others!!

Event like this just not nice!
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I’m off GPON stick for now, hopefully not referring to me

Hopefully can get everything prepped for 2Gbps upgrade in 2024 biggrin.gif
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post Dec 13 2023, 08:17 PM

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Good news

Received my stick back today from Anime4000 sifu, and got my low powered SFP stick from taobao together with my server chassis with X11SCA-F from taobao as well biggrin.gif

Currently have both plugged into BCM57810S, both is showing up as up and running, new 10GBase-T stick apparently runs under 2W (1.8W to be exact) from seller spec sheet

Haven't plugged the fiber into ONU stick yet but if everything is good, I should be able to fully move into dedicated machine for router with just single BCM57810s or a modified M910x biggrin.gif

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post Dec 14 2023, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Dec 13 2023, 08:32 PM)
Nice!

first boot, the PON Stick start with 2500Base-X, then cycle through SGMII to HiSGMII

plan to disable Auto Neg SDS, but that very risky, if Host load OS late then PON Stick, you need wait another minute (usually up to 5min) to Auto Neg SDS match with Host SFP+

if you don't want waiting, can plug PON Stick to CRS305, this sure boot much faster.

since you on ALCL OLT, matching GEM Traffic Scheduler, do this:
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have multiple customer on ALCL OLT can get high as this guy:
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Rest of us non ALCL OLT, sad in the corner as upload speed max as 960Mbps cry.gif

No matter what I do, cross multiple brand/chipsets of PON Stick, ALCL OLT is good for 2Gbps for now
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Thanks for the help and heads up! Will try tonight or tmr, can’t disconnect internet Willy nilly or my fam will murder me for not having internet LOL
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post Dec 15 2023, 07:37 AM

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Back on GPON Stick biggrin.gif

As suspected, VoIP VLAN didn’t break my network, it’s how OPNSense did their private routing that’s causing issues, I can still reach my NAS from the internet at large but all local connections within the private network cease to work, it’s probably using VoIP address as gateway as supposed to ONU Stick, will have to look into changing priority for interface to see if that allows ONU Stick interface to have higher priority and ignore VoIP DHCP address

This post has been edited by yenchenje: Dec 15 2023, 07:40 AM
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post Jan 1 2024, 07:59 PM

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QUOTE(paultantk @ Jan 1 2024, 04:27 PM)
here's something new i found

if you use this

the dual/quad port broadcom 10g pcie card would have to hang off the side externally haha

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https://www.servethehome.com/cwwk-crazy-a-s...b-super-system/
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I’m aware of this actually, but if I do buy it I’ll have to 3D print a case, and use a PCIe riser for the card

For now my new router box is fine, will see if I have budget in the near future or nt
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post Jan 4 2024, 06:41 PM

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QUOTE(RViN @ Jan 4 2024, 05:33 PM)
This is a lot more interesting
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Four 10GbE SFP+ ports and five 2.5G ethernet ports. I wonder though how much switching/routing throughput that 8 core atom can support.

Power consumption would be higher but its a lot more flexible.

https://www.servethehome.com/the-everything...qnap-teamgroup/
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Don’t forget, it’s not a 57810S chipset, so still can’t do AIO
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post Jan 4 2024, 10:01 PM

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QUOTE(RViN @ Jan 4 2024, 09:38 PM)
Ah alright.

It has M.2 slots so potentially can through a m.2 -> pcie adapter, though will have to figure out how to make it fit neatly.
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Most likely have to use 3D printed case tbh, fitting this in the same case seems like lots of trouble, especially with the need to manually cut the aluminum to fit it in.

Not to mention the cooling part, these BCM57810S gets HOT, putting it this close seems like a horrible idea in general.

Next best option is harvest 12V off the power connector for another fan onto the NIC, which is another hurdle lol
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post Jan 7 2024, 01:39 AM

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"If it aint broken, dont touch it" point reached..

OPNSense with VoIP/TR069 finally working

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post Jan 11 2024, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(paultantk @ Jan 11 2024, 11:39 AM)
Nearly SGD910 whew rclxub.gif

Maybe I'll keep my supermicro router for a month or two more before pulling the plug on this
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post Jan 18 2024, 07:18 PM

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QUOTE(ahmadpi @ Jan 18 2024, 06:19 PM)
I have studying your post and would really ask this question. The GPON ONU SFP have DHCP capability? Becasue I have 2.5Gbe unmanaged switch.
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It’s a miniature GPON, not a router

You still need a router, a switch won’t be able to do PPPoE dialup, especially not an unmanaged switch
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post Jan 21 2024, 01:10 AM

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QUOTE(liquid.D @ Jan 21 2024, 12:06 AM)
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Hi All Sifus,

I have 1 UDM PRO, may i know the above statement means that onu have problem cucuk direct the sfp? need to use media converter? … hehe so sayang if cannot because thinking to upgrade 2G from TM
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You can’t directly plug GPON ONU SFP into SFP+ port on UDM/UDM SE, it doesn’t support 2.5G mode

For PPPoE, even with media converter, from what I can find roughly online is Ubiquiti’s PPPoE performance is piss poor, so you can’t reach the full 2G/1G speed if you put PPPoE on your UDM, so maybe iPoE is the only viable option if you want UDM as your main gateway
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post Jan 22 2024, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(ahmadpi @ Jan 22 2024, 11:14 AM)
understood. seems like I need to get a 2.5GB router then. Let say I bought one of those OpenWRT router: https://shopee.com.my/product/921175536/225..._QaAkmWEALw_wcB

Can it work?
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Yes, with either OpenWRT/OPNSense/pfSense or RouterOS but it’s paid, choose your own poison
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post Jan 23 2024, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(RViN @ Jan 23 2024, 07:51 PM)
Wish they had a lower power/cheaper version of this.

Looks perfect for use as a AIO router but the i9 is wayyyyyy overkill for this.
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Guess nothings stopping you from Proxmox ing it up as your main hypervisor considering how strong it is tongue.gif
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post Jan 24 2024, 08:55 AM

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QUOTE(OlgaC4 @ Jan 24 2024, 12:23 AM)
Depends on application

Downloading will not feel it but gamming you will feel it big time.
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What’s with you and your “gaming you will feel a difference” sentiment in almost every single post

The only thing heating up in a GPON stick is the laser module, and as Anime4000 here stated, if your laser from ISP isn’t overpowering it’s fine. It’s just a bridge for laser signal, there isn’t anything “affecting” the heat on the stick. It’s not a router running services like DHCP, PPPoE dial up or any other normal router would be doing

I run my stick in a 2U server chassis with no extra cooling at the back, my entire household usage per month pertains to about 2TB down 1TB up. The PON stick stays at 34-35 deg, no extra heat/performance dips.

Stop using your “GaMiNg WiLl FeEl DiFfErEnT” sentiment in every post ty
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post Jan 24 2024, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(OlgaC4 @ Jan 24 2024, 10:21 AM)
Do worry you will not feel the different. You may not undestand what is respond time. Only competitive gamer will feel it. 1ms vs 3ms is huge.
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Then pull up proof to prove me wrong that this GPON bridge heating up affects the respond time

Always going on between 1 and 3, just these two numbers specifically. Stop trying to pull shit out of your ass and actually pull out proof that it does in fact add 2 more milliseconds of delay
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post Jan 24 2024, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(OlgaC4 @ Jan 24 2024, 12:22 PM)
i just suggest to put a fan on all media converter. Why so angry?
Anyway you are not a gamer not your concern.
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Sure. That is valid

But “it makes a 2ms difference” is not

And do you know me personally to know that I’m not a gamer? laugh.gif

A competitive gamer as well mind you laugh.gif
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post Jan 25 2024, 12:28 AM

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QUOTE(simmarjit @ Jan 24 2024, 10:52 PM)
You can reach about 1.5G just not 2G i think ...its their lack of hardware accelerated PPPOE and them not improving their software implementation for it.
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Honestly I wanted to get UDM for gateway but considering their reluctance for implementing hardware accelerating for PPPoE, I’ll probably still stick with my OPNSense gateway sad.gif

QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Jan 24 2024, 11:29 PM)
OlgaC4 yenchenje
Quite a debate here...

PON Stick mostly are in bridge mode, the SoC will relax once bridge are successful, only few % usage if heavy traffic

Allo Fiber at Cyberjaya (OLT: CALX) doesn't use OMCI MIB #84 and #171, it treat GPON like "Ethernet", when test, way less CPU usage since it bridge like dumb transceiver 😅

that is why PON Stick only have 1 Core at 400MHz MIPS Processor,

so, Firmware will hack and bridge everything to one interface, even same VLAN on different ME Point that can cause Entire GPON Network performance dropped, good thing TM do a unique VLAN per ME point
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tldr; Once connected and O5, the SoC ASIC will bridge and do nothing, see CPU: remain 0% even full 2Gbps download
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yea, for me, I would recommend user to use RB5009, or Asus ROG Rapture AX6000 (if Mikrotik too advanced)

TP-Link still working on to make Archer BE800 and BE900 stable enough to use 2.5G GPON Stick, atleast TP-Link listen to user and know their Hardware are capable
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Tell that to him not me tongue.gif , I’m just using my own personal experience to comment

I’ve tried stressing my PON stick up, but never saw anything above 38 deg, so that’s a vouch biggrin.gif

QUOTE(Omochao @ Jan 24 2024, 11:38 PM)
same like the other annoying prick who goes to almost every thread and keep bragging about his new profound ISP at a very affordable rate like the whole Malaysia he got the best deal, and then end up only actually use it for mobile gaming.

Just report their post to admins, Im sure the admins will soon start taking note about this kids behaviour and start dishing out warning soon. Some people just dont grow up in society and always impose their egoistic mentality on to others.

we are adults here and we just share to agree/disagree but this jokers running around and dish out 1 liner replies as if they are so experience in this matters.
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It’s a free speech world, they can say anything the want. As long as their blatant lies aren’t being taken for the truth, in the end it’s whatever, they can keep gaslighting themselves into believing what they want, that’s on them at the end of the day biggrin.gif

I should’ve just done the same thing with Mr tng and block tbh, the anger got the best of me tongue.gif

QUOTE(cyberic @ Jan 24 2024, 11:59 PM)
I'm using Mikrotik router + Ubiquiti unifi AP after some research. Some comment Mikrotik router better than Ubiquiti?
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I think for Malaysia market, go Mikrotik over Ubiquiti. There’s no really better or worst when you reach this level of prosumer market imho, just which one suits you better and your ability to tinker

Also Malaysia’s PPPoE is affecting Unifi to fully stretch its legs, not to mention the name clashes and hence further deterring them from having an official outlet in Malaysia sadly

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